Tier List Speculation

[BJN39]

Well, you might as well stay mad forever then kink. Ryoko already said he wouldn't be re-implementing 1.0 Dins.

Also, there's a zelda 2.6 changelist in the zelda social thread. Last page. Critical sweetspots are slightly bigger and norm sweetspots are a bit more powerful. About 8% earlier kill when I tested.

 

[Oracle]

did zero suit get changed at all? I had a feeling she might have been quietly buffed and nobody would notice lol

 

[Scythe]

her grabs don't suck anymore

 

[TheReflexWonder]

http://youtu.be/AVsxs0ruNUw

 

[DMG]

God is good
Squirtle is good
Squirtle is God

 

[BTmoney]

someone stimulate me in the 2.6 falcon thread

 

[Plum]

no thank you

 

[Kink-Link5]

[collapse=Bunni's 2.6 Tier Listing ver. 0.01 (First Impressions)]Top
Falco / Sheik / Fox

Very High
Peach / Pit

High
Wolf
Snake / Metaknight
Mario / Zero Suit / Diddy Kong

Upper Middle
Wario / Jigglypuff / Donkey Kong
Ike/Lucas
R.O.B. / Link
Marth

Lower Middle
GameWatch
Sonic / Charizard / Lucario
Falcon / Bowser / Ness
Ganondorf
Zelda / Toon Link

Low
King DeDeDe / Luigi / Pikachu
Squirtle

??? Mystery Tier ???
Ivysaur[/Collapse]


Feel free to post complaints that I won't read.

I didn't take into account basically anything from 2.5 so any major difference in character placement for characters that did not receive many changes is because of just that: I threw out basing the list on reflection of my previous thoughts on characters and just went off first thoughts in this build standing alone.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

??? Mystery Tier ???
Ivysaur

The world may never know.

 

[SpiderMad]

[collapse=Bunni's 2.6 Tier Listing ver. 0.01 (First Impressions)]Top
Falco / Sheik / Fox

Very High
Peach / Pit

High
Wolf
Snake / Metaknight
Mario / Zero Suit / Diddy Kong

Upper Middle
Wario / Jigglypuff / Donkey Kong
Ike/Lucas
R.O.B. / Link
Marth

Lower Middle
GameWatch
Sonic / Charizard / Lucario
Falcon / Bowser / Ness
Ganondorf
Zelda / Toon Link

Low
King DeDeDe / Luigi / Pikachu
Squirtle

??? Mystery Tier ???
Ivysaur[/Collapse]


Feel free to post complaints that I won't read.

I didn't take into account basically anything from 2.5 so any major difference in character placement for characters that did not receive many changes is because of just that: I threw out basing the list on reflection of my previous thoughts on characters and just went off first thoughts in this build standing alone.

Pit got nerfed he not that great

 

[ItsRainingGravy]

[collapse=Bunni's 2.6 Tier Listing ver. 0.01 (First Impressions)]Top
Falco / Sheik / Fox

Very High
Peach / Pit

High
Wolf
Snake / Metaknight
Mario / Zero Suit / Diddy Kong

Upper Middle
Wario / Jigglypuff / Donkey Kong
Ike/Lucas
R.O.B. / Link
Marth

Lower Middle
GameWatch
Sonic / Charizard / Lucario
Falcon / Bowser / Ness
Ganondorf
Zelda / Toon Link

Low
King DeDeDe / Luigi / Pikachu
Squirtle

??? Mystery Tier ???
Ivysaur[/Collapse]

I find this list to be very agreeable. Just from first impressions, anyways.

 

[Bryonato]

Pit got nerfed he not that great

To my knowledge all that changed was dthrow trajectory and arrow hitstun. How does that make him "not that great?"

 

[SpiderMad]

To my knowledge all that changed was dthrow trajectory and arrow hitstun. How does that make him "not that great?"

lol there's more than that

 

[CORY]

what all did he get? i played a dev build at sethlon's not even two weeks ago and the only outright noticable nerf was his usmash being slightly weaker. like, killing 10% later.

 

[SpiderMad]

Arrow shot slower/longer:making SH arrow to waveland or item toss worse/undoable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QHcWCsLuAgc#t=128s
As well as the arrows themselves slower (this is why they feel weirder to control differently, and obviously goes along with making them worse).

Bair also lasts longer, don't know if nerf but pretty sure i'd say (I mean I think the hitbox is lasting longer as well but you then can't wall with jumps as much which is important or just plain do something else in the air after it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=U8ivImWJO4Q#t=316s
http://www.youtube.com/watch? ist=UUYfqQybWKZ36R3E07KuQFg&v=6Ub2eoALL4U&feature=player_detailpage#t=140s [Walling]
and maybe effects its SH Autocancel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QHcWCsLuAgc#t=20s).

Then there's more stuff than that but change list awaits: like grounded side-b having its IASA come a bit later, making Side-b cancel to grab require a bit more space (as well as control to lower closer to the ground to prepare for the cancel taking longer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=U8ivImWJO4Q#t=76s

And shield taking longer to end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=U8ivImWJO4Q#t=61s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=U8ivImWJO4Q#t=435s

And Up-b taking longer to end and aerials being more like Brawl as in weaker and shown visually to be less meaty [Look at Up-air/Nair, in Brawl you can see the actual sword much better as it spins]).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCl-EuSc2GE

 

[Ripple]

please please please format that post. my eyes hurt

 

[SpiderMad]

please please please format that post. my eyes hurt

That's what the change logs for lol, but yeah I'm getting to it I'm the king of edits

 

[MrBigstuff]

The world may never know.

I think the lack of Ivy placement perfects this list.

 

[mudkyp]

From playing about 10-12 hours of 2.6 this weekend

Fox
Falco

Sheik
Diddy Kong
Peach
Wolf
Pit
Meta Knight

Jigglypuff
Zero Suit Samus
Wario
Sonic
Snake
Marth
Bowser
Mario
Captain Falcon

Donkey Kong
Lucario
Ike
Ivysaur
Ganondorf

ROB
Pikachu
Charizard
Lucas
Ness
Zelda
Mr. Game & Watch
Link

Toon Link
Luigi
Squirtle

 

[DMG]

WHY IS DIDDY SO HIGH EVERY TIME FLAFAGARGA

 

[mudkyp]

I put Ivysaur mid tier because I think she's going to do some incredible stuff in the hands of the right person in the very near future. There has to be some **** with her we haven't figured out. She has too many options not to be amazing. And now that her approaching and baiting is faster with a buffed Fair and razor leaf, mmmm I'm hype.

 

[Ripple]

DDD missing

 

[mudkyp]

Oh yeah, bottom tier. Like, the worst character. Easily.

 

[9bit]

Oh yeah, bottom tier. Like, the worst character. Easily.

 

[Paradoxium]

[collapse=Bunni's 2.6 Tier Listing ver. 0.01 (First Impressions)]Top
Falco / Sheik / Fox

Very High
Peach / Pit

High
Wolf
Snake / Metaknight
Mario / Zero Suit / Diddy Kong

Upper Middle
Wario / Jigglypuff / Donkey Kong
Ike/Lucas
R.O.B. / Link
Marth

Lower Middle
GameWatch
Sonic / Charizard / Lucario
Falcon / Bowser / Ness
Ganondorf
Zelda / Toon Link

Low
King DeDeDe / Luigi / Pikachu
Squirtle

??? Mystery Tier ???
Ivysaur[/Collapse]


Feel free to post complaints that I won't read.

I didn't take into account basically anything from 2.5 so any major difference in character placement for characters that did not receive many changes is because of just that: I threw out basing the list on reflection of my previous thoughts on characters and just went off first thoughts in this build standing alone.

From playing about 10-12 hours of 2.6 this weekend

Fox
Falco

Sheik
Diddy Kong
Peach
Wolf
Pit
Meta Knight

Jigglypuff
Zero Suit Samus
Wario
Sonic
Snake
Marth
Bowser
Mario
Captain Falcon

Donkey Kong
Lucario
Ike
Ivysaur
Ganondorf

ROB
Pikachu
Charizard
Lucas
Ness
Zelda
Mr. Game & Watch
Link

Toon Link
Luigi
Squirtle

Why the **** is jigglypuff not top tier

 

[Giygacoal]

Because this game has more anti-puff technology than Melee.

 

[Scythe]

yo diddy got nerfed and u have him that high now : /

 

[DMG]

Even pre nerf how the hell are you people putting him top 5, where are his results like what the **** is going on

Diddy is janky and awkward and smells like poo

 

[Lukingordex]

Because this game has more anti-puff technology than Melee.

hahaha true

 

[BTmoney]

Don't make me main Marth.

 

[Strong Badam]

yo diddy got nerfed and u have him that high now : /

ur underestimating his new dash attack

 

[Scythe]

is the multi-hit that big of a deal? I'm not really an expert on diddy. explain plz

 

[Strong Badam]

multihit -> beats CC at all percents -> deals w/ one of diddys main issues in neutral in 2.5

 

[DMG]

If you could DA someone though, wouldn't you be in a position to just outright grab them? Besides falling off edges with it?

 

[Strong Badam]

DA overshoots a lot of defensive DDing. It also has more reward than a grab, since most of Diddy's throws are positional in nature rather than setup.

 

[Oro?!]

Why ZSS so high. No one wins with her solo and #unviable.

 

[ELI-mination]

Eli's 2.6 tier list:

Fox

Falco
Sheik
Peach
Marth
Snake
Mario
Bowser

Pit
Wolf
Lucario
Puff
Ike
Charizard

Ivysaur
Diddy
Link
Zelda
DK
Falcon
Metaknight
Zss
Rob
Toon Link

Ness
GnW
Ganon
DDD
Luigi
Wario
Sonic
Lucas
Pikachu
Squirtle

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Gallo's 2.6 tier list:

Fox

Falco
Sheik
Peach
Bowser
Marth
Wolf
Pit
Lucario
Ike

Puff
Charizard
Mario
Ivysaur
Diddy
Link
Zelda

Falcon
Zss
Rob
Snake
Metaknight
Lucas
Ness
DK
Wario

GnW
Sonic
Ganon
DDD
Luigi
Toon Link
Pikachu
Squirtle

 

[Juushichi]

emp_put_sonic_in_low_tier. right where he belongs.

 

[GMaster171]

Ness hasn't been put in bottom 5 in more than 5 lists.

Moving up in the world

 

[Plum]

I feel like Diddy is definitely very strong in PM, but something about his playstyle just doesn't click for me. Which I feel is pretty odd because he was one of like two characters that I could actually have some fun playing in Brawl. Gave him the ol' college try, but he felt kinda Brawl+ to me, at least back in 2.5. Don't really know if that's changed in 2.6.