Tier List Speculation

[Pwnz0rz Man]

If they're by a wall how does this work, does Marth open a time portal and then chuck them through it or is Marth just super cool and then explode?

Not only do they explode, they explode like Mega Man.

 

[steelguttey]

can't wait till oilmar gets buffed and people acknowledge how ridiculous it is how he kills at 110% with uthrow with a flowered blue

 

[RelaxAlax]

Now if only Fox's laser didn't cancel Pikmen throw
or cancel Olimar

 

[PlateProp]

Guys, I have a tier list, it's 100% accurate

**** tier: Everyone

SSS Tier: Ganon when he lands a hit

 

[Foo]

Guys, I have a tier list, it's 100% accurate

**** tier: Everyone

SSS Tier: Ganon when he lands a hit

*SSS+ Tier: Invincible Fox

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

More adventures in Melee: Good lord Melee Ganon is such utter ****e

Like seriously I'm going to bust all my friends' faces open when I go back to PM Ganon who can actually recover and has throw follow ups and a ridiculously good Fair

Also um yeah looking forward to the Ganon buffs, dude's definitely my secondary and I love playing him in PM. He feels really smooth and his hits are all really satisfying to land.

 

[mimgrim]

*blink*

Melee Ganon doesn't have throw follow-ups? Wha?

 

[MLGF]

Melee Ganon doesn't have a good fair?

Son, are you playing Pal?

 

[GlowingOrangeOoze]

Dude that's like not even where PMBR really buffed ganon. Tha ftilt, tha wavelands out of aerials, tha autocancels. But yes the extra disjoint on his fair is really helpful.
Whenever I play melee ganon I don't even feel like I'm being inhibited much (save for the absence of RAR) but then when I go back to PM it feels like the chains have been shattered. Feels real nice.

 

[Bazkip]

Dude that's like not even where PMBR really buffed ganon. Tha ftilt, tha wavelands out of aerials, tha autocancels. But yes the extra disjoint on his fair is really helpful.
Whenever I play melee ganon I don't even feel like I'm being inhibited much (save for the absence of RAR) but then when I go back to PM it feels like the chains have been shattered. Feels real nice.

The lack of b-reverse Wiz Foot kills me

Like actually I try to do it when facing the wrong way while recovering and just die as a result.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Melee Ganon doesn't have a good fair?

Son, are you playing Pal?

I adapted to the spacing after a while, but when I'm used to hitting fair from half stage a way, no, he does not.

My friend's Puff kept jumping out of my Dthrow; maybe that's an MU exclusive thing though, or I was too slow. I only seemed to be able to connect Dthrow to Bair at mid-ish percents.

Edit: Like, it should tell you something that Ganon's PM fair feels right at home to me, when I main IKE.

 

[PlateProp]

Dude that's like not even where PMBR really buffed ganon. Tha ftilt, tha wavelands out of aerials, tha autocancels. But yes the extra disjoint on his fair is really helpful.
Whenever I play melee ganon I don't even feel like I'm being inhibited much (save for the absence of RAR) but then when I go back to PM it feels like the chains have been shattered. Feels real nice.

Playing Ganon is like dodging bullet trains. Except when you finally hit someone it's like you decided to randomly grab a rope on a bullet train and are hanging on for dear life as you fly at 200mph.

 

[Player -0]

They changed Ganon's Fair from Melee? The only thing I can think of is Ganon's arm bait at the beginning of the move (which is intangible btw).

Can we get a confirm? (Who to tag?)

 

[Deleted member]

Ganons fair and dair in PM 3.02 are his brawl animations, which are better

 

[Strong Badam]

The actual disjoint/hitbox positioning of it matches Melee. He may reach further though with the animation.

 

[Player -0]

Ganon has darkness effects in P:M version so it's obviously stronger .

 

[Soft Serve]

he's got that purple dank fire

 

[mimgrim]

So how bout dem dere tier lists eh?

Ganondork and Boozer are top bottom tier.

MewThree, Pittoo, James, Gotta Go Fast, and Pubescent Child are bottom top tier.

 

[PlateProp]

Guys, 30xx tier list

**** tier: Everyone

S Tier: Ganon when he lands a hit

SSS+ Tier: Ganon when he lands a hit on Ganon

 

[Soft Serve]

shhhhhh
just let the thread slowly die until 3.5
shhhhhh

 

[Foo]

So, since this thread is so dead, I think we finally have time to talk about this MASSIVE gameplay issue/bug that hasn't been talked about in this thread before.

Link's Boomerang is MASSIVELY imbalanced.

I normally play mario, so I am very very skilled at characters like that, so I decided to try Link. At the start of the game, I immediately went to the corner of FD, and starting hitting side b. The boomerang went out the first time, but the second time he just swung his arm without throwing anything. This allowed my opponent to simply run up to me to melee attack. Internally laughing at his foolish mistake, I (and I know this is technical) held down on the analog stick while mashing down on the c-stick. However, instead of pwning my opponent, I slid off the stage and did a down air, causing my death.

Sigh, I thought for once, link wouldn't be bottom tier, but I guess he is in this game too. It's such a shame to lose after so clearly outplaying my opponent.

 

[Frost | Odds]

You found a bug causing Link to sometimes lose to characters other than Mewtwo? o_O

 

[PlateProp]

So, since this thread is so dead, I think we finally have time to talk about this MASSIVE gameplay issue/bug that hasn't been talked about in this thread before.

Link's Boomerang is MASSIVELY imbalanced.

I normally play mario, so I am very very skilled at characters like that, so I decided to try Link. At the start of the game, I immediately went to the corner of FD, and starting hitting side b. The boomerang went out the first time, but the second time he just swung his arm without throwing anything. This allowed my opponent to simply run up to me to melee attack. Internally laughing at his foolish mistake, I (and I know this is technical) held down on the analog stick while mashing down on the c-stick. However, instead of pwning my opponent, I slid off the stage and did a down air, causing my death.

Sigh, I thought for once, link wouldn't be bottom tier, but I guess he is in this game too. It's such a shame to lose after so clearly outplaying my opponent.

Oh my god pMBR, how could you let in such a huge bug

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

Let it be known
M2
Diddy
Lucas
This is the top 3

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

So I'm really bad and this is stupid but I'm glad I tried cause it's kind of like a moonwalk input but this is basically the thing that luigi does that's stupid on top of being a bull**** character that nobody plays even mildly good on the trendstreams or whatever

Got this gif done
It's cool cause it's kind of like a moonwalk input after the wd
It's only something that comes after wds but you can WD OOS towards someone and use any attack while moving away from them.
There's some in here that I tried where you can WD TOWARDS someone the slide away and actually get 2 attacks with full WD momentum backwards, so you can jab > Dsmash/Ftilt shields safely while flying away, and if you try doing anything and get clipped by dsmash you die from a combo, if you don't get hit than Luigi is totally safe. Such easy confirms and never overcommitting his classic WD approaches LOL
I can't do it with ftilt very well but there's a few here where I got full momentum backwards with things like Jab and Grab and Dsmash (which you can charge smashes) but doing it with Ftilt is the thing that makes him so ****ing stupid to deal with.

I don't know what the frames are like but basically you WD which I think is 10 frames or something, then you just need to CRAWL for a single frame in the opposite direction.
I'm super slow but I wouldn't doubt it's a 1 frame thing that gives you WD speed after a WD in the opposite direction
You can also do this thing where you get 3 WD changes by crawling back the forward again or something, but that's more committing cause you go forward and I couldn't even do it once since I really don't know how to do it and can't stand this character so don't really give a **** other than how much i got wrecked by bamesy in 2.6 luigi and don't even wanna know what 3.5 is gonna have if they buff him and if he ever picks up this character again

In the luigi boards it's called wavescuttling when you crawl really fast and can only do it one way, but this you can actually already do both ways since it's only the initial momentum from the crawl (that's just a guess for why) so it's not something that is different based on direction you face.
Luigi moonwalking basically
You can also do this with shields spot dodges and stuff too which is really weird
This is really bad play and technical skill showing but it's the best I'm gonna do with a character I don't want to play so whatever

Spoiler

K now I'm basically late for canadian thanks giving but that's ok cause my gramma is gonna be late too RUIN EVERYTHING

wait can you point me to a guide on how to actually do this

 

[StanFlat]

ATTENTION: HERE IS MY TIER LIST COMPOSED OF SOLELY UNINFORMED OPINIONS THAT I WILL DEFEND TO THE DEATH

I play this game for money tier:
Pit
Diddy
M2
Mario (pronounced merrio)
Fux

PM is the only smash game I play tier:
Roy
Ivy
Zelder
Yawshi
boozer

Why does everyone else hate my main? tier:
Poocas
Sanic
m2k
Stink

That fun secondary that you play more than your main tier:
this is that char from killer instict, right?
Zard
he got a big booty so I call him big booty

Manly Hemingway tier doomed to top 8 but not top 4 placings:
Dooooooorf
Dunkey
Ike
Ivan Ooze
HYESSS

When's maylay tier?
Peesh
Joe Flacco is an elite qb
icks
Sheik prefers male gender pronouns
Hbox
Marf

Hipster main tier that will defend their character to the death
coneyzzz
Toon Lunchables
Lucaryu
JDCwombat
Lamar
I'm gonna constantly post gifs of nintendude vs cyrain to show how great gdubs is
chudat tho

Spam moar tier:
spamus
PKFire

holy **** why do I put so much effort into this character for so little appreciable success tier:
the rat
fanservice
Metal JCaesar no spaces

Actual secret boss god-tier potential I'm not even joking this is the one serious point in this post tier:
Weegee

I was wondering if you could expand further on your theory of "Actual secret boss god-tier potential I'm not even joking this is the one serious point in this post" Luigi. What makes you think that? Do you think he has untapped combo potential? If so to what degree?

 

[DMG]

The argument for Luigi's potential seems to hinge on some other-worldly ability by the Luigi player, that's never matched by the opponent. Like Armada M2K DRPP level Luigi player, and the opponent is "Kevin" from Kentucky.

ZOMG Luigi is good they said

 

[GlowingOrangeOoze]

There's this norcal luigi player who goes by Razr and I'm pretty sure he promised his soul to some dark spirit because when I played vs. him he got like 7 misfires in 1 game, about 13 in the set, and only about half of them were saved for. I asked him about it and he said "I feel like I get misfires pretty much whenever I want." Then I got him to friendly a friend of mine and the same thing happened. So I'm pretty sure the day of Luigi's Reckoning will be either at this guy's hands or someone else familiar with the usage of ouija boards and/or séance.

 

[JOE!]

*Weegee boards

 

[TreK]

As a 5 year Luigi main in Brawl, I can tell you one thing :
We've been landing misfires without the charge mechanic for years. It's a bonus but we don't have to rely on it. Luigi mains know how to hit with side B. If it misfires, great, we'll take it. If it doesn't, we're gonna use it in a way that won't let you punish. The only risk is not getting a misfire, it's not getting hit.

Oh and we like to pretend we can guess when it happens, it makes people freak out on Internet forums :V

 

[RelaxAlax]

*Weegee boards

Happy Halluigi!

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

also I learned how to wavescuttle today and given that it's about as difficult to perform as a few people's DACUS, it's a viable strategy

weegee does have potential, I stand by that

 

[AuraBlade0012]

So how bout dem dere tier lists eh?

Ganondork and Boozer are top bottom tier.

MewThree, Pittoo, James, Gotta Go Fast, and Pubescent Child are bottom top tier.

(I am assuming Pubescent Child is Ness. Pardon me if I'm wrong.) Yes, that looks good, but MewThree and Gotta Go Fast should go to mid tier. Falcon Pawnch should head to top of bottom tier.

 

[SpiderMad]

also I learned how to wavescuttle today and given that it's about as difficult to perform as a few people's DACUS, it's a viable strategy

weegee does have potential, I stand by that

Does that mean SH Fireball WL?

 

[AuraBlade0012]

Does that mean SH Fireball WL?

Wave-scuttle is a thing someone found out with Luigi's wavedash(?) when he crouches during it.

 

[SpiderMad]

O_O? Is there a video

 

[mimgrim]

Pubescent Child is Lucas. Duuuuuuur.

The is no Falcon Pawnch. There is only Mr. Knee.

 

[Foo]

Pubescent Child is Lucas. Duuuuuuur.

The is no Falcon Pawnch. There is only Mr. Knee.

*Our lord and savior Kneesus Christ

 

[~Dad~]

O_O? Is there a video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwQCF6s8THM

It is kind of the best Luigi tech ever.

 

[Ripple]

*Our lord and savior Kneesus Christ

I think you mean Jesus Kawaii-est