The Tip is a Lie.

[-Ran]

In the spirit of sharing information, I'd like to let everyone know that Marth's range is much less than the graphics would wish you to believe. Unfortunately, I do not have screen shots to explain this, so I will have to tell you how to demonstrate it to yourself.

Training -> Battle Field.
Your Dummy is going to be standing on a platform , walk under them and do a traditional Foward smash. You should immediately notice that you'll miss. Even though the sword's tip is slicing through their foot, it does not register as an actual hit. In fact, try as you might the only time the Forward Smash is going to hit the dummy, is if they are exactly one character length in front of you. At that point, you will score a tip, but aside from that, the tip of the sword is proven to be inaccurate.

After you wipe the tears from your eyes, it's time to find even more disheartening information out. Move the training dummy to the bottom of the map. At about three character lengths, do your up tilt. Slowly move forwards in an attempt to get a tip. You'll notice that right before you actually edge close enough to get your Tip, your sword will actually be slicing through your opponent's head.

So then, why does it do this? Well, Marth's sword is rather small in regards to it's width. All of Brawl's attacks hit boxes are **** near perfect in regards to following the animation. Marth no longer does a 'straight' forwards smash, but instead it curves as he does the slice across his body. Once you factor in the shape of the target, you can understand why the sword appears to hit things, that it really isn't once you tilt the camera to view it properly.

Moral of the story?
The Tip is a Lie.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

This was a triumph.
I'm grabbing the smash ball, for the win.
It's hard for you to even try and dodge me.

Super Smash Brothers
We play as the Marth because we care...
For the tipper of the sword
except for when it's been nerfed.

Now there's no point crying over every hit box
You'll just keep F-smashing till you get the sweet-spot
And the match gets won
And you have a lot of fun
With the people who think Marth is worse.

I'm not even angry
I'm being so sincere right now.
Even though you made the sword seem shorter.
Took away wave dash
And made it so I can't grab so far...
Anyway this tip is great
it kills at crazy %'s.

Now these awesome combos make a beautiful hax
and they start so fast you can't avoid my attacks
But we had a great time
think of all the times you lied
to the people who think Marth is worse.

 

[Doodx]

is it me or did marth get heavily nerfed? not only in range but in many things i believe

 

[Vortok]

Some characters on Battlefield I can't fsmash tip from below if they're on the platform. Others I can. It's weird.

For example, I can hit Toon Link but wasn't able to hit Zelda.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Marth wasn't heavily nerfed at all.

Look at CF.

You think he's nerfed, but trust me.

Marth got a love tap compared to CF and Jiggz.

Plus all of Marth's major weaknesses from Melee were eliminated.

Anyone wanna guess what those weaknesses are?

 

[LavisFiend]

His interest in interpretive dance and ragtime?

 

[HolyChef]

why would u fsmash if the dude is directly above you anyway. theres cool moves that involve the control stick up and the A button. u should experiment.


*ends sarcasm*

 

[cheifrocka]

maybe not on bf, but i tipper f-smashed people directly above and of course a bit above/behind me several times today @ a tourney. i was aiming it with consistency. great for fighting arial pressure. mix usmash in with it for space reasons. the tip is not a lie.

however, i am error.

 

[DaGarbageMang]

Meh. Once a marth player gets a good feel for how his hit boxes work they won't care about this at all. Whenever I take a swing and the sword passes through the opponents body but doesn't register a hit I just blame myself for failing my spacing. No lying tip johns

 

[-Ran]

Meh. Once a marth player gets a good feel for how his hit boxes work they won't care about this at all.

Understanding the Tip is a Lie is how you get a good feel for it. That's why I shared this information. You can't do it based off the visual model.

 

[Crizthakidd]

he was insane in melee. they had to nerf some characters like him and falco and up some others. the tip is now nothing to be so worried about and his range cant hit anything thats not his swords pixels lol.

AND OMFG altho his up+b is good now, it doest slide up stages causing me 100+suicides

 

[Irow]

Tip isn't anything to be afraid of? It kills at abnormally low percents for Marth's speed. Tipped anything is amazing.

I still need to practice and get used to Marth's range and hitboxes. The hardest one to hit is that front smash, by far.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

So nobody saw mye parody song? ;_;

I had to look up the original lyrics, having never actually played Portal.

 

[RedSteel]

The tip not working in accordance there is odd, but I do not think that will hinder his ability to be used. I used Marth in Melee (Then again who didn't use him), and I pleased they took away some more of his abuse-able range, but still kept them pretty decent. Before, just about anyone could pick Marth and repeatedly do a forward smash and spam it. Yes, a good player would work around it, but his range did make it kind of a ridiculous. With his range shortened now, amongst other things, I find him a much more valuable character to use. Now maybe the entire spam posts of "Marth has the TIPPER!" can stop.

That was my biggest problem with using Marth. Everyone has a move that is essentially, a one hit wonder. C. Falcon had his devastating knee, Fox could do massive combos but I found his u-air or the shine spike was most effective for a quick and effortless K.O., and all the characters alike had moves that pertained to a massive jolt of power which enabled a quick K.O., hence the purpose of the game. Now, I am glad the tipper range has been reduced, so maybe Marth can be looked as good, asides from an abuse-able trait which was popular before this game came out. [I personally did not rely on tippers constantly, but lesser characters did, let it be know the point I am trying to establish is that.]

 

[Impact009]

The tip not working in accordance there is odd, but I do not think that will hinder his ability to be used. I used Marth in Melee (Then again who didn't use him), and I pleased they took away some more of his abuse-able range, but still kept them pretty decent. Before, just about anyone could pick Marth and repeatedly do a forward smash and spam it. Yes, a good player would work around it, but his range did make it kind of a ridiculous. With his range shortened now, amongst other things, I find him a much more valuable character to use. Now maybe the entire spam posts of "Marth has the TIPPER!" can stop.

That was my biggest problem with using Marth. Everyone has a move that is essentially, a one hit wonder. C. Falcon had his devastating knee, Fox could do massive combos but I found his u-air or the shine spike was most effective for a quick and effortless K.O., and all the characters alike had moves that pertained to a massive jolt of power which enabled a quick K.O., hence the purpose of the game. Now, I am glad the tipper range has been reduced, so maybe Marth can be looked as good, asides from an abuse-able trait which was popular before this game came out. [I personally did not rely on tippers constantly, but lesser characters did, let it be know the point I am trying to establish is that.]

Diminishing returns on Marth's fsmash also makes it less spammable now imo.

 

[xandeR-]

So nobody saw mye parody song? ;_;

I had to look up the original lyrics, having never actually played Portal.

That was hilarious. You wrote that yourself? Bravo.


And go play Portal. It's AWESOME.

 

[spinseffingcool]

Waaaoooow

This was a triumph.
I'm grabbing the smash ball, for the win.
It's hard for you to even try and dodge me.

Super Smash Brothers
We play as the Marth because we care...
For the tipper of the sword
except for when it's been nerfed.

Now there's no point crying over every hit box
You'll just keep F-smashing till you get the sweet-spot
And the match gets won
And you have a lot of fun
With the people who think Marth is worse.

I'm not even angry
I'm being so sincere right now.
Even though you made the sword seem shorter.
Took away wave dash
And made it so I can't grab so far...
Anyway this tip is great
it kills at crazy %'s.

Now these awesome combos make a beautiful hax
and they start so fast you can't avoid my attacks
But we had a great time
think of all the times you lied
to the people who think Marth is worse.

SUCH A HARD LAWL maaad props i would love to see a full song.

 

[Proverbs]

So nobody saw mye parody song? ;_;

I had to look up the original lyrics, having never actually played Portal.

I read your parody song, although I've never played Portal. I's sorries.

 

[poncho_mcshoe]

Your Dummy is going to be standing on a platform , walk under them and do a traditional Foward smash. You should immediately notice that you'll miss. Even though the sword's tip is slicing through their foot, it does not register as an actual hit.

I hereby vote we rename the term "Roy Zone" to "Marth Zone."

 

[Mokai]

So nobody saw mye parody song? ;_;

I had to look up the original lyrics, having never actually played Portal.

It made me smile.

And I concur, get Portal. I'm not a fan of FPS games in general but Portal is a completely different beast. You'll never have so much fun on the PC.

Didn't we have some fun times though? Remember when I knocked you off the edge of the stage and I was like "Goodbye" and you were like "NO WAY!" and I was like "I only pretended I was going to kill you." That was great.

 

[phi1ny3]

This was a triumph.
I'm grabbing the smash ball, for the win.
It's hard for you to even try and dodge me.

Super Smash Brothers
We play as the Marth because we care...
For the tipper of the sword
except for when it's been nerfed.

Now there's no point crying over every hit box
You'll just keep F-smashing till you get the sweet-spot
And the match gets won
And you have a lot of fun
With the people who think Marth is worse.

I'm not even angry
I'm being so sincere right now.
Even though you made the sword seem shorter.
Took away wave dash
And made it so I can't grab so far...
Anyway this tip is great
it kills at crazy %'s.

Now these awesome combos make a beautiful hax
and they start so fast you can't avoid my attacks
But we had a great time
think of all the times you lied
to the people who think Marth is worse.

Such a perfect post to go with this! lol

 

[e__]

This was a triumph.
I'm grabbing the smash ball, for the win.
It's hard for you to even try and dodge me.

Super Smash Brothers
We play as the Marth because we care...
For the tipper of the sword
except for when it's been nerfed.

Now there's no point crying over every hit box
You'll just keep F-smashing till you get the sweet-spot
And the match gets won
And you have a lot of fun
With the people who think Marth is worse.

I'm not even angry
I'm being so sincere right now.
Even though you made the sword seem shorter.
Took away wave dash
And made it so I can't grab so far...
Anyway this tip is great
it kills at crazy %'s.

Now these awesome combos make a beautiful hax
and they start so fast you can't avoid my attacks
But we had a great time
think of all the times you lied
to the people who think Marth is worse.

Better then the Bel-Air, and that was pretty good IMO. I laughed pretty hard.

 

[Warlock*G]

This was a triumph.
I'm grabbing the smash ball, for the win.
It's hard for you to even try and dodge me.

Super Smash Brothers
We play as the Marth because we care...
For the tipper of the sword
except for when it's been nerfed.

Now there's no point crying over every hit box
You'll just keep F-smashing till you get the sweet-spot
And the match gets won
And you have a lot of fun
With the people who think Marth is worse.

I'm not even angry
I'm being so sincere right now.
Even though you made the sword seem shorter.
Took away wave dash
And made it so I can't grab so far...
Anyway this tip is great
it kills at crazy %'s.

Now these awesome combos make a beautiful hax
and they start so fast you can't avoid my attacks
But we had a great time
think of all the times you lied
to the people who think Marth is worse.

Now that's just awful.

 

[St. Viers]

sexy. The first time I read through it, I thought you messed the meter up, but upon singing it to myself, I have come to the conclusion that the song wins ^_^

It needs to become a brawl music video. ^_^

 

[Mokai]

Go ahead and leave me
I can't help that I'm too good for you
Maybe you'll find another way to beat me
Maybe with Ness
THAT WAS A JOKE, HAHA, CHAIN GRAB.
Anyway this game is great
Oh look, a new error code.

Look at me still postin' when there's brawlin' to do
When I play someone new I need to show'em my moves
I'll thrust my sword in their backs
Stop 'em right in their tracks
Teach the people who think Marth is worse.

---

Personally I think it flows nicer to sing "Marth is bad" instead of "Marth is worse", but it could just be a personal preference.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

^ Lol that's great. Gotta add that to the rest of it sometime.

And make it "Maybe with Lucas"

the syllables match up better.

 

[St. Viers]

also, I'd suggest

"Just go on and leave me
I am just too good for you
maybe you'll find some other way-- to beat me

Oh, I know, just use ness
That was a joke ha ha, chain grabs
...

 

[The Great Gonzales]

This was a triumph.
I'm grabbing the smash ball, for the win.
It's hard for you to even try and dodge me.

Super Smash Brothers
We play as the Marth because we care...
For the tipper of the sword
except for when it's been nerfed.

Now there's no point crying over every hit box
You'll just keep F-smashing till you get the sweet-spot
And the match gets won
And you have a lot of fun
With the people who think Marth is worse.

I'm not even angry
I'm being so sincere right now.
Even though you made the sword seem shorter.
Took away wave dash
And made it so I can't grab so far...
Anyway this tip is great
it kills at crazy %'s.

Now these awesome combos make a beautiful hax
and they start so fast you can't avoid my attacks
But we had a great time
think of all the times you lied
to the people who think Marth is worse.

Loved your Portal reference it was pretty funny

 

[The Great Gonzales]

*edit*
oops double post

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

also, I'd suggest

"Just go on and leave me
I am just too good for you
maybe you'll find some other way-- to beat me

Oh, I know, just use ness
That was a joke ha ha, chain grabs
...

I think:

Just try to beat me
I really am way too good for you
maybe you'll find someone else
to win with


Compare it to the original lyrics:

This was a try umph (4 syllables)

Just try to beat me (4 syllables)

I'm writ ing a note here, huge suc cess (9)
I really am way too good for you (9)

may be you'll find some one else to help you (10)
maybe you'll find someone else to win with(10)

 

[Goldberg]

This was a triumph.
I'm grabbing the smash ball, for the win.
It's hard for you to even try and dodge me.

Super Smash Brothers
We play as the Marth because we care...
For the tipper of the sword
except for when it's been nerfed.

Now there's no point crying over every hit box
You'll just keep F-smashing till you get the sweet-spot
And the match gets won
And you have a lot of fun
With the people who think Marth is worse.

I'm not even angry
I'm being so sincere right now.
Even though you made the sword seem shorter.
Took away wave dash
And made it so I can't grab so far...
Anyway this tip is great
it kills at crazy %'s.

Now these awesome combos make a beautiful hax
and they start so fast you can't avoid my attacks
But we had a great time
think of all the times you lied
to the people who think Marth is worse.

"Unbelievable! You, {NESSBOUNDER'S REAL NAME HERE}, must be the pride of
{NESSBOUNDER'S HOMETOWN HERE}"

You didn't Tip me and I'm still alive.

 

[St. Viers]

@nessbounder: yeah, those work ^_^

 

[whisperingtears]

Did Nessbounder really just right a poem about no more tips, and taking out that stupid wavedash glitch?

 

[Fatalized]

I think that the game is jus glitchy like that. The tip is a Tip..U cant change that or believe that it doesnt work...If u think its a LIE then ur a Marth Hater.. And we dont need those kind of ppl here. LOL not trying to sound offensive or anything man...I always get a tipper cuz i know wen to use it...