The Old Counter Game

[A_man13]

Hopefully this would work lol
Golduck@ Leftovers
Modest/Cloud 9
EVs- 4Hp/252Spattack/252SpDefence
Calm Mind
HydroPump
Hypnosis
Focus Blast

Hope that works
EDIT: whats the choice rule?

Let me try ths:

Hypno @ Leftovers
Adament: Insomnia
252 Hp/ 84 Atk/ 172 Sp. Def
-Zen Headbut
-Thunder Punch
-Ice Punch
-Brick Break

Tank-ish. Switches in on a hypnosis (of which it is immune to) and able to Thunder punch it's less impresive defence stat.

 

[Platypus]

The Adherence rule can be seen in Post #1789. It differs somewhat from the Choice rule, and is really more of a suggestion on my part than an accepted rule.

At any rate, to counter Golduck:

Wormadam (P) w/Apicot Berry
Modest/Anticipation
255 Sp. Atk./ 100 Def./ 55 Sp. Def.
+ Natural Gift
+ Energy Ball
+ HP Water
+ Hyper Beam
I considered using Surskit before I realized that I don't know how to attack with it. If Calm Mind is a shield, this is a tsunami.

EDIT: Ah, too slow- a moment, please:

Grumpig w/Leftovers
(+Sp. Atk. -Speed)/Thick Fat
110 HP/ 100 Def./ 200 Sp. Atk./ 100 Sp. Def.
+ Shadow Ball
+ Charge Beam
+ Counter
+ Mirror Coat
I've combined a weird, useless moveset with another weird, useless moveset to create a specialized wall of garble.

 

[sonofthesky]

@HypnoVsWorm

Pwnd

 

[A_man13]

Wormadam could still counter.

 

[WouW]

Also, WouW, you can't assume all that much in this game; I may not set up Sunny Day at all, since it's not required for Ninetales to beat Rapidash (even though it would be nice that Golduck didn't come in and own me >>).

Because you totally can predict a Rapidash coming in and have a move that you're not going to use anyway. Why have Sunny Day without using it? Why have Solar Beam if you're not going to use Sunny Day?
Also, Overheat and Solar Beam were just filler - all I needed were Earthquake and Stone Edge. But since it would be likely that you'd use Sunny Day, I just added those moves.



Also, why have I posted 4 Pokémon already and am I only countered once?

 

[Platypus]

4 Pokémon...What do you mean? By the way, thanks for using the é.

Against Grump Pig:

Porygon2 w/Chople Berry
(+Sp. Atk. -Speed)/Download
155 Atk./ 100 Def./ 155 Sp. Atk./ 100 Sp. Def.
+ Giga Impact
+ Signal Beam
+ HP Ground
+ Natural Gift
It's pretty silly to think of Porygon2 as unusable in the form of BL.

 

[WouW]

I've posted four pokés already:

Empoleon (whose counter failed)
Mismagius (the only one that got countered)
Altaria (ignored)
Camerupt (ignored)



vs. Porygon2:
Rotom @ Leftovers
Modest/Levitate
252SpA/252Spe/4Def
Thunderbolt
Shadow Ball
Hidden Power Fighting
Light Screen

Giga Impact, Natural Gift and Hidden Power Ground won't hit me, so you can only hit me with NVE Signal Beam, and if necessary I use Light Screen to fix that.

 

[Platypus]

Altaria countered Rapidash, who didn't work. Camerupt would have been the counter to Ninetales had it not been countered by Golduck already.

SEMI-OFFICIAL RULES:
Variety- Use only BL and under. Use only BL and under.
Adherence- A Choice item can only be used if every attack in the moveset of the holder can function as a counter to the previous post. For example, Shadow Claw would not be allowed on a Choiced Slaking if it was countering a Lopunny, since Shadow Claw would not beat the previous counter.
Eye of the Tiger- Any move with over 50% accuracy will hit the first time.

POINT SYSTEM:
1 point is awarded for an anti-Choice immunity, a BL counter gets 2 points, 3 points are given if a counter is UU or if the strategy for a BL is complex, and 4 points are awarded for complex UU.

2 points are subtracted for any counter that fails.

Any NFE is counted as being one tier under its present final form.

SCOREBOARD:
A_man13- III
chubb-o-wub- II
darth meanie- II
IC3R- 5 I
Platypus- 5 IIII
WouW- 5 II

Vs. Motor:

Roserade w/Scope Lens
Modest/Poison Point
55 HP/ 255 Atk./ 100 Def./ 100 Sp. Def.
+ Rain Dance
+ Weather Ball
+ Shadow Ball
+ Energy Ball
Despite your wide coverage and your odd combination of Light Screen and no Special Defense EVs, you are surprisingly killable. BALLS EVERYWHERE!

 

[WouW]

Roserade w/Scope Lens
Modest/Poison Point
55 HP/ 255 Atk./ 100 Def./ 100 Sp. Def.
+ Rain Dance
+ Weather Ball
+ Shadow Ball
+ Energy Ball
Despite your wide coverage and your odd combination of Light Screen and no Special Defense EVs, you are surprisingly killable. BALLS EVERYWHERE!

What's up with the Modest, 255 atk EVs and no Sp.Atk EVs if you only have special attacks?

Shaymin @ Leftovers
Modest/Natural Cure
252spA/252HP/4Spe
Psychic
Earth Power
Substitute
Synthesis

Shadow Ball is a 5HKO at best, and I 2HKO with Psychic.

SCOREBOARD:
A_man13- III
chubb-o-wub- II
darth meanie- II
IC3R- 5 I
Platypus- 5 IIII
WouW- 5 IIII

 

[Platypus]

That was a typographical error. I meant "255 Sp. Atk."

Anyways, versus Shaymin:

Exeggutor w/Life Orb
(+Atk. -Speed)/Chlorophyll
200 Atk./ 100 Def./ 55 Sp. Atk./ 155 Sp. Def.
+ Ancientpower
+ HP Fire
+ Wood Hammer
+ Wish
It's amazing how much you can't do with Exeggutor. Ancientpower is there for the potential boost.

 

[IC3R]

When did we start using OUs again?

vs. Eggman

Nidoking @ Life Orb
Naughty / Poison Point
EVs - 4 HP, 252 Att, 252 Spd
~Earthquake
~Stone Edge
~Megahorn
~Icy Wind

Ground + Rock + Bug is, surprisingly, an unresisted combo in the game. Icy Wind is for major lulz and the fact that it lowers the Speed of the incoming counter, so that I can smack it around with another attack! :flame:

 

[WouW]

Mothim @ Charti Berry (weakens SE rock)
Timid / Swarm
252HP/252spA/4Spe
Bug Buzz
Air Slash
HP Water
Roost

After HP Fire or AncientPower, Swarm activates and clearly OHKOs Exeggutor. Air Slash for secondary Stab, HP Water for Rocks and Fires and Roost to heal afterwards.
The creepy thing is that this actually works.


Feraligatr @ Expert Belt
Adamant / Torrent
252HP/252Def/4Atk
Waterfall
Ice Punch
Earthquake
Crunch

Takes a hit, takes another hit and OHKOs.

 

[IC3R]

10lulz....

 

[Platypus]

What on this page is OU?

 

[IC3R]

What on this page is OU?

Rosey and Shaymin? Maybe it's only Shaymin-S that's OU, but idk...

As for Feraligatr, it takes 49.47%-58.29% from Nidoking's Earthquake, which leaves you with anything between 50.53%-42.71% health. Add 6.25% to the result to add in Lefties, and that gives you 56.78%-48.96 health.

The only time I wouldn't beat you is in the chance I roll around minimum damage on both attacks. So your Gatr may not be able to necessarily "take another hit"...

It's a game of chance again...
If you win, hax man

 

[WouW]

Shaymin-S is OU, Shaymin is BL and Roserade is BL as well.
Also, you said that you would use Icy Wind which of course does fail damage to Feraligatr and then I can take an Earthquake and OHKO.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Shaymin-S is OU, Shaymin is BL and Roserade is BL as well.
Also, you said that you would use Icy Wind which of course does fail damage to Feraligatr and then I can take an Earthquake and OHKO.

Rules of the counter game "You have to be able to switch in on ANY move from the current counter." It doesn't matter what they SAY, you have to be able to come in on any move.

 

[IC3R]

2) Remember what a counter is: A Pokemon that can safely switch into any of the attacks from the Pokemon it wants to counter and can immediately pose a threat to the Pokemon it wants to counter or make the Pokemon it wants to counter switch-out while not being threatened in any way by the Pokemon it wants to counter.

Sh'zam....

 

[WouW]

*replaces Leftovers with Shuca Berry*

OK, now just SHUT UP and COUNTER THE **** THING ALREADY.

 

[Platypus]

That would only work if the problem was that Earthquake was super effective. It isn't.

 

[WouW]

- _ -

Changed EV spread so it does work. Now stop whining.

 

[Platypus]

I regret that I must still count it as a failure.

SEMI-OFFICIAL RULES:
Variety- Use only BL and under. Use only BL and under.
Adherence- A Choice item can only be used if every attack in the moveset of the holder can function as a counter to the previous post. For example, Shadow Claw would not be allowed on a Choiced Slaking if it was countering a Lopunny, since Shadow Claw would not beat the previous counter.
Eye of the Tiger- Any move with over 50% accuracy will hit the first time.

POINT SYSTEM:
1 point is awarded for an anti-Choice immunity, a BL counter gets 2 points, 3 points are given if a counter is UU or if the strategy for a BL is complex, and 4 points are awarded for complex UU.

2 points are subtracted for any counter that fails.

Any NFE is counted as being one tier under its present final form.
SCOREBOARD:
A_man13- III
chubb-o-wub- II
darth meanie- II
IC3R- 5 IIII
Platypus- 5 IIII
WouW- 5 II

 

[WouW]

And after the failure I made a version that does work so you can return those two points and Feraligatr is now the current counter.


SCOREBOARD:
A_man13- III
chubb-o-wub- II
darth meanie- II
IC3R- 5 IIII
Platypus- 5 IIII
WouW- 5 IIII

(if you are too lazy to search, here is the current counter)
Feraligatr @ Expert Belt
Adamant / Torrent
252HP/252Def/4Atk
Waterfall
Ice Punch
Earthquake
Crunch

 

[Platypus]

Okay, then. I guess it's not as absurd as an extra point for a "new" BL counter.

At any rate, against Feraligat0r:

Miltank w/Leftovers
Adamant/Thick Fat
110 HP/ 200 Atk./ 200 Def.
+ Curse
+ Thunderpunch
+ Mega Kick
+ Fire Punch
CURSECURSECURSECURSECURSECURSECURE!

 

[WouW]

Rhyperior @ Leftovers
Adamant/Solid Rock
252Atk/252HP/4Def
Hammer Arm
Shadow Claw
Earthquake
Curse

Curse meets Curse.

 

[Platypus]

It's amazing that Rhyperior is BL...

Vileplume w/Leftovers
Modest/Chlorophyll
200 HP/ 110 Def./ 200 Sp. Atk.
+ Leech Seed
+ Attract
+ Grass Knot
+ Sludge Bomb
Luckily for me, Skarmory is not in this tier set. Tortuga!

 

[WouW]

Cradily @ Leftovers
Careful/Suction Cups
252HP/4Atk/252SpD
-Recover
-Sandstorm
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge

Leech Seed and Attract don't work and Sludge Bomb 4HKOs at best, and with Sandstorm up you're not going to do much damage. Recover to improve walling abilities, and Ground/Rock for good coverage.

 

[0RLY]

@ Cradily: obvious counter approaching

Claydol @ Salac Berry
Levitate/Bold
252 Def/252 Spe/4 HP
-Substitute
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Signal Beam

Sandstorm does nothing to me. Your attacks do laughable damage as well. I CM until you wish you used a different moveset.

 

[WouW]

vs. Claydol:

Magneton @ Leftovers
Timid/Sturdy
208Spe/252SpA/48SpD
Psych Up
Thunderbolt
Flash Cannon
Hidden Power Dark

I can survive a +6 Psychic, outspeed you and Psych Up, and good luck countering this.

 

[roy is my boi]

@

Magneton @ Leftovers
Timid/Sturdy
208Spe/252SpA/48SpD
Psych Up
Thunderbolt
Flash Cannon
Hidden Power Dark

I can survive a +6 Psychic, outspeed you and Psych Up, and good luck countering this.

Hitmonchan @ expertBelt
Adamant/Iron Fist
252HP/252Attack/4 SpDef
Sub
Focus Punch
Fire Punch
Ice Punch

Fire punch OHKOs, You fail to 2HKO, unless you do max damage both times =/
EDIT: Btw, did you know that Hitmonchan's Focus Punch is stronger than Brelooms?

 

[chubb-o-wub]

To Magneton...

Lanturn@Leftovers
Calm//Volt Absorb
EV/ 40 HP/ 136 SpA/ 252 SpD/ 80 Spe
-HP Ground
-Discharge
-Ice Beam
-Toxic

Well, the best you can do is HP Dark (74% max damage on Lanturn), and that wouldn't happen when I switch in, because Flash Cannon and Tbolt are much stronger. Absorbs Tbolt, Psych Up is useless, and Flash Cannon does 31% max on Lanturn, so it has a chance of not 2HKO'ing with HP Dark (70 power) on the switch. HP Ground will kill all the time, unless it's at some stupid power like 30, which the minimum is 99% damage.

Hitmonchan... er...

Rotom (Spin)@Leftovers
Timid//Levitate
EV/ 252 HP/ 4 SpA/ 252 Spe
-Reflect
-Will-o-wisp
-Thunderbolt
-Air Slash

Sets Reflect up, risks taking a WoW when you don't have a Sub up, which Rotom can remove with Tbolt/Air Slash. The best you have is Fire/Ice Punch, which fails to 2HKO with Reflect.

 

[roy is my boi]

Camerupt@ leftovers
Modest/ Solid Rock
252 HP/ 252 SP attack
Fire Blast
EarthPower
yawn
Protect

 

[WouW]

Hypno @ Flame Orb
Calm/Insomnia
252HP/252SpD/4SpA
Switcheroo
Hidden Power Water
Wish
Psychic

 

[Niiro]

Hypno @ Flame Orb
Calm/Insomnia
252HP/252SpD/252SpA
Switcheroo
Hidden Power Water
Wish
Psychic

DAM. how u get so many EVs?

 

[IC3R]

HAX!

10lulz...

 

[WouW]

Oops....
I meant 4 SpA EVs.

 

[Niiro]

no johns...

 

[Platypus]

Against Hypno:

Regigigas w/Choice Band
Bashful/Slow Start
160 Atk./ 50 Def./ 200 Sp. Atk./ 50 Sp. Def./ 100 Speed
+ Fling
+ Focus Punch
+ Façade
+ Earth Power
Even burned, I still effect many pains in the opponent. Powaaaaahhh...Powaaaaahhh...Fi-yah! Fa-fa-fa-fi-yah!

 

[WouW]

Drifblim @ Leftovers
Modest/Aftermath
252HP/252SpA/4SpD
Substitute
Rest
Shadow Ball
HP Fighting

Only Fling with Flame Orb can hurt me, and that won't be really threatening as you then can't do anything to me. I probably won't have too much problems setting up a 126 sub. If the burn starts to kill me, I use Rest. Shadowball/HP Fighting for unresisted coverage.

 

[0RLY]

@ Drifblim:

Hariyama @ Leftovers
Guts/Adamant
76 HP/252 Atk/180 SpDef
-Cross Chop
-Payback
-Fire Punch
-Ice Punch

Yes, Payback works on switches also.