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They've been saying since Brawl first got going that PT was full of potential and that it was just a matter of time before he really got going. It seems like he's finally getting somewhere. Good for him, too. With three different characters, there's so much room for potential that I'm glad he isn't a lost cause.
There's not a lot left for sonic's metagame. Unless some new AT found, which seems very very unlikely.I'm a Sonic fanboy.
I hated his style of play when I first got the game, realized then that he didn't feel right.
Moved on to Ike, I'll tell you I didn't know one thing about him except he was apparently going to be in Brawl.
Yeah, fanboys affect the silly tier list.
Also FMOI, maybe you got turned down because you were wrong?
I'm also going to lol @ people who suggest that he is now higher more people will pick him up... at least what is true is that once people start figuring him out, it will be harder... but certainly nobody is going to want to bother with him or progressing his metagame oh no sir he is much too complicated of a character for that.
lol, I saw that.
please do give me the results, full with the game score and two teams with their records, wins-losses please.
it's less about the fact that i was right, and more about the fact that so many people thought i was wrong, when i was, in fact, right.
Sonic is not the only low tier to "step it up" in recent times.
I have no need to lie =)
Yeah they mess it up because they don't care about competition, just about having fun ONLY.
That's just to bad, cause he is.
1.) Captain Falcon's mobility is actually more important when we talk about Ganondorf and Captain Falcon only.
Those kinds of players won't affect the tier list at all.
Yeah they will, only when we're talking about them being the only type of player for that character. If's there's more of them and less competitive players.... you know.
....then they'll only show us how bad the character is. You're not gonna convince the SBR by flooding the population with a single character if that single character is played badly and gets wrecked by **** near everyone. Fact of the matter is, more people playing a character makes more people aware of that character, but it's not always for the better.
Oh...I kept in my mind that the character's metagame will stay lower too, but even that affects the tier list. lol I'm stupid for forgetting it goes both ways for a character to affect the tier list when there's more sucky people with the character...
What I meant by Sonic being the only one to really step it up is because we're the only community to repeatedly place well as a whole for a year straight. Bowser and Yoshi could only dream of having results like that. Sure someone could be finding great things for these characters, but if no one is using them and placing high with them, how would we know? Sure there are a couple of Bowser and Yoshi players, but compared to how many Sonics there are and how well he places...yeah. People claim it's because of "fanboys" but I know plenty of people who are obsessed with Sonic but don't use him simply because he's bad. The people who are ranking with him now are the ones who have been here since the beginning and took the time to learn him. Like you said here...
That pretty much sums it up. The hardcore fanboys are the ones who became the excellent ones, and I don't think we'll be getting any more any time soon just because of his new placing for the reasons I said in my last post. Now let's get to PT.
That's my point exactly. PT could be a GREAT character (with an extremely high learning curve that's probably higher than that of Sonic's >___>) but if we only have ONE person representing this character (you lol) how do we know if PT himself is really that good, or if you're just amazing with him? When people hear "PT" they all think "Reflex". When "Sonic" is said, "Espy, Malcolm, Wes, Blue" all those names come up, maybe even a few others depending on what region you go to.
I seriously wished that you guys knew how bad Ganondorf was compared to Captain Falcon (Link's better than both, imo), since the first tier list..
This is not true.
You're right. He has more priority than Captain Falcon. That's awesome.
Yeah. I know. I second Ganon.
if it were just this one time, no. but that's basically how it's been my entire life: i argue with someone, they tell me with much volume and emotion that i am wrong, and then it turns out i'm right. again. and they always get indignant when i point out how they yelled and puffed out their chests and ganged up on me, and i was still right. again.
it wasn't a wild guess... i used to play pt heavily back before i quit this garbage game. i knew exactly what kind of capability he had compared to the rest of the cast. and when i tried explaining it to the rest of you, all i got back was "lol ivysaur has tether and no combos so he's bottom" and "pt has fatigue so he's low at best."
Why? Really, Ray, why? Can't people just think that Ganon has things going for him without you bashing them and making them aware that Ganon is absolutely worthless? Does it really bother you that much when people say Ganondorf is better than Captain Falcon (which is my honest opinion)?
So I've heard Ganon's pretty good in doubles... maybe he can help you in doubles better than Ike can.
Get around which problems? Oh wait, could we make his crappy grab range as large as Dedede's? and what about his Utilt, could we make that better? Oh even better, let's figure out how to make his moves faster and less laggier, than all our problems will be solved.
At the same time, if, say, Typh was dominating his area with Pokemon Trainer (where other big names such as DSF and such exist), it shouldn't matter too much whether or not anyone else plays PT.That's my point exactly. PT could be a GREAT character (with an extremely high learning curve that's probably higher than that of Sonic's >___>) but if we only have ONE person representing this character (you lol) how do we know if PT himself is really that good, or if you're just amazing with him? When people hear "PT" they all think "Reflex". When "Sonic" is said, "Espy, Malcolm, Wes, Blue" all those names come up, maybe even a few others depending on what region you go to.
With PT, he's universal to Reflex.
This may have been true before, but it definitely isn't now. There are a good number of good Sonics*, spread out across America, that have all been placing consistently well for a large number of months now. Plenty of regions have been exposed to him. Many top players have fought him. Yet he is still ranking in consistently at at least 20th in Ankoku's Character Rankings List.
). djbrowny, in particular, has placed first consistently in his region (Australia) with Sonic and some secondaries. If an unknown matchup was all Sonic had, why are players who KNOW they're going to have to face a Sonic and have played against him for months still losing? Is it because an entire region is full of scrubs who refuse to learn a matchup and think they can plow through a character simply because they're low tier***? Or is it because dj is a good player and a good Sonic player, and is able to do well with Sonic despite the inherent flaws in his character and the knowledge his opponents have of his character? I think the latter is true.
Note that Pokemon Trainer has only been increasing on that list. He's six places higher than Sonic right now.
You sign up to be a Pokemon Researcher, which requires you to contribute movesets and the like to the Strategy Pokedex in the Pokecenter subforum.
That's something. He's quite varied, so if you like learning a load of new things, it's a good idea on paper.
I think there's something out there that does that, I think it's called Brawl+. Maybe you should start playing that so you wouldn't have to whine all the time about how bad Ganon is. I've accepted that Ganon has bad traits. I've accepted that his grab range sucks and thus I won't be able to incorporate much of a grab game with him. I've accepted that Utilt and Warlock punch are practically unusable, but that doesn't stop me from using them, if I get punished, that's my fault and I accept that. Most people complain that Ganon's slow and immobile, so I play him as fast and fluid as I possibly can. As unviable as he is, I've put too much work into him to ever stop using him seriously, so I'll take whatever I can.
I just responded to the fact that every post you put in here is some type of bash on Ganon because I don't think you'll be satisfied until every person on the planet thinks the way you do. I'm supporting Ganon's metagame, suggesting that we still have ways to go to play him smarter and you're thinking that I believe that Ganon's oging to suddenly transform and have an amazing moveset. Who's the one talking nonsense again?
That's your personal opinion, and while I disagree, I can't do anything about it.
