rpotts
Smash Lord
wtf, couldn't you say that about anyone and any character?
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The New Tier List
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Darth Rancorous doesn't approach so Sheer can't parry what never happens
SheerMadness
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Most characters have atleast one approach which is very hard to parry. Like drills.
I can make Samus approach. I just go stand a couple feet infront of them and they're like wtf is this idiot doing and they try to dair or bair me.
I can make Samus approach. I just go stand a couple feet infront of them and they're like wtf is this idiot doing and they try to dair or bair me.
t3h Icy
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Unless you are significantly smarter than your opponent and can force them into way where you can get hits or combos in, Samus just can't hold her own. Isai's Link is a good example of how much work you have to put into playing well with low tiers, and how much better than the opponent you have to be to beat them.
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Not really
"crappy" links can do wonders by sheer amounts of camping and never approaching (Samus can sometimes do the same)
it's sometimes not a matter of skill but sometimes whoever uses the better, yet gayer strategy
"crappy" links can do wonders by sheer amounts of camping and never approaching (Samus can sometimes do the same)
it's sometimes not a matter of skill but sometimes whoever uses the better, yet gayer strategy
asianaussie
Smash Hero
Don't approach and you have lots more options. Pretty boring though.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Samus approaching = instaloss.
Most of her match-ups consist of pivot fsmashes, retreating fairs, spamming charged shot, and dash dance -> dash attack. >.>
And looking intently for an opportunity to swoop in with dair of course. ^.^
Most of her match-ups consist of pivot fsmashes, retreating fairs, spamming charged shot, and dash dance -> dash attack. >.>
And looking intently for an opportunity to swoop in with dair of course. ^.^
Tambor
Smash Journeyman
If it's you it wouldn't be "wtf is he doing" but "oh great, he will try parrying me again". I think parrying an uair should be kind of hard. Especially if you shieldjump, which is what you usually do.
Samus definitely belongs on the bottom of the tier list, but that doesn't mean Samus can't hold her own or win matches against competent higher tier opponents. Samus isn't quite as bad as a lot of people here may think.
Though I'm still not sure exactly what skill level the tier list is describing.
Though I'm still not sure exactly what skill level the tier list is describing.
The Star King
Smash Hero
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Samus' Up-air? How are you supposed reliably hit a Yoshi on the ground with that, unless they are on higher ground/a platform?
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Samus is pretty good against characters who can't outcamp her. For this reason, I believe Fox, Mario and Link are her toughest match-ups (followed closely or even surpassed by Pikachu, of course). Pikachu's main weakness is that he dies early from bairs (similarly to Kirby). He pays more dearly for a whiffed utilt than Kirby.
Luigi (for his bad projectile and high shorthop), Jiggs (for her poor range, recovery, and lightness), and Ness (for his range, campability, and punishable recovery) are definitely possible for Samus, if you camp hard enough.
DK is just hard to kill (despite being a big target who has trouble dealing with camping). His grab combos hurt a lot though. Dying from a cargo -> punch combo that starts around 40 isn't fun.
Yoshi is heavy and hard to gimp. Not an impossible match-up though.
Falcon can go either way, and it depends immensely on the skill of the other player.
Luigi (for his bad projectile and high shorthop), Jiggs (for her poor range, recovery, and lightness), and Ness (for his range, campability, and punishable recovery) are definitely possible for Samus, if you camp hard enough.
DK is just hard to kill (despite being a big target who has trouble dealing with camping). His grab combos hurt a lot though. Dying from a cargo -> punch combo that starts around 40 isn't fun.
Yoshi is heavy and hard to gimp. Not an impossible match-up though.
Falcon can go either way, and it depends immensely on the skill of the other player.
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Samus vs Link isn't that bad
Some people think it's Samus's 2nd-3rd worst matchup if you have no idea on how to approach
if you know how to approach with Samus then it's simply Link > Samus rather than Link >> Samus
Samus can apporach u just need some decent mindgames and spacing
or you can lamely camp and wait for your opponent and up-b if you are in the slightest amount of danger
up-b is useful because it ruins the opponent's stick if they want to DI out and they might not DI on purpose for the sake of their stick
Some people think it's Samus's 2nd-3rd worst matchup if you have no idea on how to approach
if you know how to approach with Samus then it's simply Link > Samus rather than Link >> Samus
Samus can apporach u just need some decent mindgames and spacing
or you can lamely camp and wait for your opponent and up-b if you are in the slightest amount of danger
up-b is useful because it ruins the opponent's stick if they want to DI out and they might not DI on purpose for the sake of their stick
asianaussie
Smash Hero
What happens if they're using a keyboard?
Darth Rancorous
Smash Ace
s2j, just cuz i wouldnt go to the middle part of hyrule when u were fox spamming shdl's doesnt mean i wasnt approaching. u used other characters in our matches and i changed my gameplan accordingly.
upb is a very useful technique; it breaks alot of the opponent's combos, and if the opponent isnt "good enough" to follow up, then samus will survive.
honestly, as a samus mainer, the characters i have the most trouble with are captain falcon, and fox. pikachu can be annoying, but definitely doesnt stress me out.
one good example was a recent tournament i was at. tigerbombz brought some of his homies with him. they were good, prolly around my level. i managed to beat one of them who was using pikachu. if he wouldve been fox or falcon, i dont think i wouldve been able to beat him.
and sheer, if ur yoshi is anywhere near as good as tigerbombz's, then u prolly wouldve beaten me.
upb is a very useful technique; it breaks alot of the opponent's combos, and if the opponent isnt "good enough" to follow up, then samus will survive.
honestly, as a samus mainer, the characters i have the most trouble with are captain falcon, and fox. pikachu can be annoying, but definitely doesnt stress me out.
one good example was a recent tournament i was at. tigerbombz brought some of his homies with him. they were good, prolly around my level. i managed to beat one of them who was using pikachu. if he wouldve been fox or falcon, i dont think i wouldve been able to beat him.
and sheer, if ur yoshi is anywhere near as good as tigerbombz's, then u prolly wouldve beaten me.
DMoogle
A$
Man, I need to learn how to DI up and down.
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i'm not saying camping is a bad thing
although u did when i used link, yoshi, and fox
i don't care how anybody plays unless maybe it's not tournament
and my fox doesn't spam SHDL's, i can only do it like 30% of the time when i try really hard
Darth Rancorous
Smash Ace
All I'm sayin is that I don't feel like I was campin all that much, it really depended on the situation.
And u gotta give urself more credit, u can shdl more often than that
U and lovage comin up to sfsu on the 6th for that tourney? there's a lot of people that wanna play u guys.
And u gotta give urself more credit, u can shdl more often than that
U and lovage comin up to sfsu on the 6th for that tourney? there's a lot of people that wanna play u guys.
Darth Rancorous
Smash Ace
My bad for double post
Stormcrow2
Smash Apprentice
I would play Ness somewhere right around the middle of the tier, but that's just me...
I understand that Ness's recovery is extremely predictable and slow, but this is the really only bad thing about ness IMO. Someone on here said ness is very predictable, I would disagree with that. Ness is a harder character to learn, noob ness's are predictable. And someone was also saying that his projectiles are basically useless, I wouldn't agree with that either, but that's just me. Ness should be played with lots of A button attacks, and projectiles when you are almost positive you'll hit - otherwise of course you leave yourself open. It's all about being unpredictable. I do tons of short hop pk fires off the ledge to get people when they are jumping up.. and yes I don't only get noobs with that move. And I often get double pk-thunders within combos, so they're not completely useless... not to mention that you can fake PK'ing yourself into them and move it around more.
Just my opinion :D
-Storm
I understand that Ness's recovery is extremely predictable and slow, but this is the really only bad thing about ness IMO. Someone on here said ness is very predictable, I would disagree with that. Ness is a harder character to learn, noob ness's are predictable. And someone was also saying that his projectiles are basically useless, I wouldn't agree with that either, but that's just me. Ness should be played with lots of A button attacks, and projectiles when you are almost positive you'll hit - otherwise of course you leave yourself open. It's all about being unpredictable. I do tons of short hop pk fires off the ledge to get people when they are jumping up.. and yes I don't only get noobs with that move. And I often get double pk-thunders within combos, so they're not completely useless... not to mention that you can fake PK'ing yourself into them and move it around more.
Just my opinion :D
-Storm
DMoogle
A$
Ness is hard to learn at mid to high level play, but at lower level play he isn't too difficult to learn and he's a total beast (top tier for sure).
Lower level play isn't really for this thread though.
Lower level play isn't really for this thread though.
SheerMadness
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hahahahaha
yah my yoshi is probably on his yoshi's level
Imainlowtier
Smash Cadet
My bro's Ness is definitley low level play
D air tech chases for him all day, I say why, especially if I am DK or Link
D air tech chases for him all day, I say why, especially if I am DK or Link
thanortinzak
Smash Apprentice
Why did Kirby drop?
asianaussie
Smash Hero
Because Fox is better.
malva00
Smash Master
Kirby dropped cuz everyone's DUMB
JaimeHR
Smash Ace
Kirby is 100% BETTER BEST BEST OWNED SPWNED than Fox
DMoogle
A$
Or rather, because most people are much better with Fox than they are Kirby.
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I know this sounds like a dumb question but why isn't this stickied? I'm afraid that people may have trouble finding this in the future or whatever.
Skrlx
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We have no moderator assigned to our forum
we need a good mod...
i think i am going to contact PhantomX, another mod I know pretty well and see whether he can change things here.
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Wtf? This forum doesn't have a mod? A lot of other threads are stickied. What happened to the mods who stickied them? :S
ballin4life
Smash Hero
This doesn't need to be stickied it could just be in the smash index
asianaussie
Smash Hero
A mod stickied my new smash index not long ago. It was surprisingly efficient.
And the tier list takes up like...a quarter of my smash index.
And the tier list takes up like...a quarter of my smash index.
Ellimist1221
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Not even close!
I must respectfully disagree with this tier listing. There is no way that Samus could end up being last. I honestly think that she is the strongest character in the game.
I must respectfully disagree with this tier listing. There is no way that Samus could end up being last. I honestly think that she is the strongest character in the game.
asianaussie
Smash Hero
If anyone responds, I will be very disappointed.
Ellimist1221
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Seriously, in the right hands Samus is the most dangerous character in the game. Yea, this may only be my second post on the boards, but I've been playing Super Smash Bros. on the 64 for well over a decade and all I'm saying is that in my experience Samus is the best character there is.
asianaussie
Smash Hero
Ok fair enough.
Care to tell us exactly why Samus is the strongest character? Personal experience doesn't count.
Care to tell us exactly why Samus is the strongest character? Personal experience doesn't count.
Ellimist1221
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There are moves like her "down a" that renders any character helpless either falling to the ground or bouncing up into the air and unable to move for just long enough to do her back kick in the air which will send the opponent flying off the stage almost regardless of how much damage they already have. There's the charge shot which is effective at launching opponents off the stage as well as doing up to 26% damage. Now using that charge shot is kind of scary when fighting against a fox or ness, but Samus is still able to maneuver around enough that it doesn't make that big of a difference. When Samus is sent flying off the stage she is able to float back from the brink of death almost effortlessly. Really for me it's more of a personal prefrence though, I've always fought with Samus and I know how to fight so that I come out on top.