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Perhaps try Toon Link? He has a similar gameplan to Olimar and DH but he has good bomb confirms and an overall good moveset.
GreenTheAssassin
For flashy combos but none of the characters already mentioned, go with or .
BercilakMK
Well, as your name ends with MK, play . Or, just go with an in-between for the two you already talked about. That would be... probably . Because why not?
Which sword fighters would you say are flashy/combo like?
are the most stylish. As much as he seems a good choice, is done to death and kinda boring, plus he doesn't have full combos, only short chains.
Thanks. I'll have a try with marth,mk and maybe ike for no real reason.There's so few swordfighters, when actually counted up. I think
Thanks for the quick response! I've been playing Link all day today for the first time in a while and I really like how he feels, and don't hate him completely as a character, so I think I'll at least main him at the tourney. Wondering what your thoughts are though, should my secondary be, MK, Doc, or Pit?
Oddly enough, I find myself thinking very very mildly about sonic. I mean the MAIN thing Olimar and Duckhunt have in common is they are scumbag type characters, and Sonic is basically the king of scumbag type characters since he doesn't even need a projectile to be a complete and utter annoying piece of *Message altered* joy and love that we all enjoy *Message returned*. I don't know though... its just.... his games.... I don't like him as a character if that makes sense but everything points me that way.
(melee), (brawl), (newcomer) (melee), (brawl), (newcomer)
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, but since you already main her, would be my runner-up vote. is probably the character I've seen the least of.
Haha, at first I was laughing because I thought you meant the characters I play already fit the bill! Thanks for the input!Lowest tier: Well, Wii Fit and Dedede aren't well-tiered characters, as much as they may have untapped potential.
Least popular: Peach. Not much of an explanation needed.
Least used: Wii Fit Trainer. Probably THE least used character in the game, which contributes to her tier placement.
OOOH, you meant it that way. Ok, edit.
Lowest tiers minus Jiggs:
Least popular and least used are the same thing.
Oh, and just so you know, for the second question, I meant more like which characters are least liked. For an example, I know Sonic is high on the tier list, and there are a decent amount of people who use him (I think?), but he seems to be disliked in general. Was kind of confusing, sorry about that.Thanks for the suggestion! I've actually considered switching Peach for Zelda; she's pretty fun! About Olimar, it's true I haven't seen him as much myself for a while now... Not to get too off-topic, but is there a particular reason for that, like the Cloud match-up?1.
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I'm unsure how to answer 2 because it seems like it would go hand in hand with 3 to me.
My friend was having this dilemma awhile back and this is what I told him to do to help him get through it:
Not too knowledgeable on his matchups, all I know is he does quite well against Rosalina but gets completely stomped by Sheik.
Ah, least enjoyable to fight against, then?
come to mind.Melee, Brawl, Sm4sh imo
High Entia
Lavani
C0rvus
Sounds like you ought to work on your mindset, unless you just play the game among friends. But if you're a competitive player, this sort of thinking will only get in the way. Everyone has to deal with it in varying degrees, myself included. Playing good characters isn't cheap or for tryhards. Always been an issue personally as well.
Just wanted to say I really like this; think I'll recommend this method to some friends.
Thank you! I'm definitely giving Zelda serious consideration at the very least as I mentioned before; I have a friend who loves the character, but she doesn't feel like she does the character justice (she's an Ike main), so she's actually been wanting me to make Zelda my secondary.
Olimar would be natural for me since he was my secondary after adjusting to the changes from Brawl; switched him out at some point for Dedede, but I honestly miss playing him sometimes, so I'll give that consideration as well.
I actually really enjoy Rosalina, but am made to feel like I shouldn't. Peer pressure. :|
You know, it's funny, Olimar was the first character I felt comfortable with during the transition from Melee to Brawl, and everyone around me didn't know how I could stand it, 'cause they couldn't figure out the whole management thing, and I mean at that time it didn't even matter quite as much since he was generally stronger. I also seemed to be the only one who was really familiar with the Pikmin games... He took some getting used to due to changes from Brawl to Sm4sh, but I feel confident I could switch back to him at any time if Dedede isn't feeling quite right.
I do have a problem with at times feeling like I'm too good with some of the better characters for friends/others I play against to deal with, like I'm taking enjoyment out of the game for them (I'm not saying I'm amazing, but in comparison to those whom I normally play with around here.), and Olimar seemed like one of those characters. With Jiggs being my main, my friends are scared of me, but still feel like they have a shot because of all the disadvantages I constantly have to deal with. But yeah, I'll still consider Olimar, 'cause when it comes down to it, I want people to improve anyway, and I probably shouldn't feel so guilty if they're not putting in the work to overcome what I throw at them... ? :/
C0rvus
Agreed. I'll work on this; is there anything in particular that helps you redirect this kind of mindset you could recommend?
RitsuoFox
I know you technically didn't mention him, but have you considered Meta Knight? He's very fast on ground with an excellent dash attack that's hard to punish, is a sword user, no projectiles to have to worry about, and he's also great in the air. You don't have to worry so much about fighting off-stage once you get used to his recovery options, either (up special, side special, and down special are all really useful recovery moves). If he doesn't feel quite right to you at first, I would recommend at least giving him a little time as he's quite a bit different from the rest of the roster and he may just suddenly click with you; try to really get a feel for his recovery in training mode if you're willing to give him a shot.
KniteBlargh
Thanks for the response!
player looking for another character to pick up and learn. Been playing Shulk for quite some time already, and while I'm certainly not bored of him yet/ anywhere near mastering him yet, I'd like to give the rest of the cast some love.or ). Tried out some rushdown/ combo based characters, but aside from and , most of them feel way too fast/ are really hard to for me to control/ combo. My playstyle with Kirby doesn't really involve his lengthy combos, and I've lost quite a bit with him, despite genuinely liking him. Had a bit more success with Cloud, but he honestly feels like a faster, more offensive oriented Shulk.
or ., , / and "maaaaybe" . Which one would you recommend?
Pit fits the bill. Arrows travel fairly fast uncharged and have low endlag when used from a fullhop, though they're more for longer ranges. He's got a bunch of double jumps and good air control to escape combos. Defensive playstyles probably suits him best, and he doesn't have much of anything that can readily be abused.
It depends on what you're looking for. IMHO the Pits are like a 90% upgrade to Lucina, but if you're just looking for a swordsman for a secondary then they'll work nicely. If you're looking for somebody very different but still competent Ike would be the best fit. Roy I don't think would have many matchups over Lucina.I'm facing a bit of a concern right now.
It's been AGES since I last posted here, last time I asked for advice was probably on whether to use
But anyway, I'm asking for some advice on a character to use as a secondary. Since I'm a VERY dedicated Lucina main. Mained her since the 3DS, and I'm just concerned on which character to sub so I can deal with certain MUs, and that I will enjoy using as well, since I look for fun factor in a character as well.
I've asked for some advice from a member of the Zelda Social via PM. He's recommended either
It's kinda like I'm looking for a character to fit my playstyle. I dunno if showing some matches I had would be good enough. Since I've been told I have a "unique" Lucina.
If you have footage, it may help. Or what matchups would you want to have a secondary for?
Alright. Some of these will be from 1.1.3 though. I'll tag which ones are from which patch. :V
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. Always have ever since his release, and I don't plan on dropping him any time soon. I have so much fun with the character that literally every other character on the cast pales in comparison to him, but I don't want to solo-main him. I've hopped around with secondaries/tertiaries a lot, way too much in fact, but I can't pick a character that I actually like for an extended period of time before dropping them again.
give or take.(does better against all of the above), (easy to get started with, gives Rosa hell and is generally a hard MU for a lot of dudes), or (debatably beats Rosa, can compete better with the others as well, I think he's super fun too). This is just an example though. Figure out your biggest struggles and check out some counterpicks if you decide to use this method.: A bait and punish character who kinda skips neutral and puts foes in the vortex. You will learn the struggle offstage, and he will push your ability to stay out of disadvantage and apply pressure via positioning and baiting, among other things.: Less range but more mobility, and more centered on clever mixups and item play. I just think he's hella fun lol.: Probably the complete opposite of Mewtwo, his advantage is great, neutral is good, disadvantge is bad. You can dominate players with safe pressure and 50/50 situations, but lose momentum and find yourself heavily punished and/or edgeguarded.: A bit slower, but when he gets in the combos come out. He's probably got a bit much to remember and be able to execute to be an effective secondary.: Same as above but more or less, but honestly she's a bit easier and a bit better imo. Her footsies are meh, but her combos are devastating and her disadvantage is among the best in the game.
I saw that you has some good grasp on stage control in these matches. You seem to like to swing a lot, even when it isn't safe. Sometimes it paid off, too, but in a lot of instances, your thirsty Shield Breakers got you punished. You seem to thrive on opponents fearing the break or simply getting out spaced. I saw some good edgeguards and short hop air dodge approaches.Alright. Some of these will be from 1.1.3 though. I'll tag which ones are from which patch. :V
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I make some horrendous mistakes in some of these matches.
Perhaps try Bowser to continue the trend of making opponents fear and respect you. He has the ever-present option to go for a shield break, but his power and very strong jab and grab game makes opponents not want you to get close. His edgeguarding is pretty good too. I see on your channel that you have at least played him before, so maybe try him out again. is a similar option here as well.)She's super good at edgeguarding, Witch Time is a constant fear, and she has some moves you can just throw out whenever. She might be up your alley.Has good buttons and a similar style to the way you play Lucina. Also good offstage and has a plethora of kill options that you may be wanting from your main. Another character with strong spacing. She has a projectile, which you may like.
Thank you so much for the feedback. I was surprised that you even looked at my other videos as well!Pardon the double post, but I owe another user a reply :U
I saw that you has some good grasp on stage control in these matches. You seem to like to swing a lot, even when it isn't safe. Sometimes it paid off, too, but in a lot of instances, your thirsty Shield Breakers got you punished. You seem to thrive on opponents fearing the break or simply getting out spaced. I saw some good edgeguards and short hop air dodge approaches.
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Just a few baseline suggestions. Really it's a trial and error thing, since you can apply your playstyle to any character. Hope this was of some use, though.
If I understand correctly, you'd really like another character who isn't much like Shulk, so maybe not even a sword user? Do you enjoy Kirby? What do you feel you're struggling with the most when it comes to playing him?Hello all! I'm a
My playstyle is a fairly defensive/ punish based one, but I really struggle against hyper offense (usually in the form of
So with that, I'm a bit unsure as to what my next step should be. I'd like to try a more offensive based playstyle, but I haven't found a character that I can really ease into. Perhaps I should just stick to Kirby and Cloud, but try and use them differently? Or maybe another character would better suit my playstyle/ patch up my weaknesses better?
beats 2/3. Pikachu is doable with Toon Link. So is Game and Watch, but that's besides the point.might be worth picking up. Electroshock Arm bodies Luma, which helps a lot. He also is just a generally balanced character, so he could be good that have in your pocket.is good against all three, but he's actually pretty hard, and not a super effective secondary in my experience. He s an options though. Just know he's more work than you may be expecting.my buddy plays Rosa and hates this character. MU is likely around even, but Yoshi makes lots of players uncomfortable for some reason. I can't say anything about his Pikachu matchup, though. Not a clue. Can't be that bad though.
I guess my wording was a tad confusing. I do enjoy Kirby, but again, I can't seem to use him as efficiently as I would like to, nor does he produce the same types of results as with Shulk. My main struggles with playing him was that I tend to have more of an issue approaching with him, and then comboing once my opponent is in the air; the only "combos" that I've really been using are his fThrow to either fair or upB. Since it seems like Kirby is more combo oriented than other characters, I was hoping to find someone to compliment Shulk's defensive playstyle without seeming too foreign, maybe be able to more offensive pressure, if that makes any sense.
I'd say Cloud is actually more similar to Shulk than Kirby in playstyle, and fits what you're describing better. You may also want to consider Ike since his playstyle can be similar to Shulk's, and while he's not as fast as Cloud, the buffs he's received in various patches have only added to his ability to compliment offensive play.
So I checked out Ranai upon your suggestion (specifically the match vs. ZeRo @ Genesis) and holy crap I've been absolutely astounded as to what he can do. I will most likely be keeping Kirby because I really love the little guy, and out of the strange, personal reason of already having two sword characters in the form of Shulk/ Cloud, I'll put Ike on the back-burner. But I think I'm willing to give Villager a shot!I'd say Cloud is actually more similar to Shulk than Kirby in playstyle, and fits what you're describing better. You may also want to consider Ike since his playstyle can be similar to Shulk's, and while he's not as fast as Cloud, the buffs he's received in various patches have only added to his ability to compliment offensive play.
From what I understand (speaking with Kirby mains), approaching is one of Kirby's main struggles. Kirby's aerials are pretty nice for keeping your opponent from rushing in, while giving you possible opportunities to punish, and dair can connect with some really good stuff like up smash, down smash, and inhale (incidentally, some copy abilities can greatly improve Kirby's ability to approach, so they're important). I'm no expert here, though, so if you really like Kirby, I'd check out his board and see if some of his dedicated players have advice for you!
Yeah, the thing about Villager is that he/she can play both ways. There are a lot of moves for walling out an opponent, but they simultaneously help with approaching and leading into great combos.
