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The Last Melee Musketeer: Roy for DLC! - *Help Our Boy Reclaim the Throne Today!*

Discussion in 'Wii U / 3DS Character Discussion' started by Croph, Jun 23, 2012.

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    Roy for DLC Support Thread - Reignite TEH PHIR3!!

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    Welcome! Now that character DLC has been confirmed (with Mewtwo coming in 2015), speculation and focus has shifted to support Roy for DLC. You could say the general idea of this thread is to provide a hub for Roy fans/supporters, or anyone else, that would like to discuss Roy's potential for DLC, as well as contribute anything. Do you think we will see the return of Roy? Maybe not? Contribution could also include moveset speculation, costume ideas, providing resources/links for those who wish to further extend their support elsewhere, etc. Even saying, "I support Roy" and a little explanation why is great -- it's the little things like these always puts a smile on my face.

    Before I get into Roy's impact on the Smash series and why should he return, I'd like to briefly look at of the events that happens in the Sword of Seals, and who exactly Roy is. The Sword of Seals is a Japanese-only game; as such, I feel like I should go over various things, since there may be a lot of people who haven't experienced the game. There will be some minor spoilers.


    Who is Roy?

    Pfft, that's easy. He's the dude with the fire sword in Super Smash Melee!

    In all seriousness, that's sorta true. Roy's first appearance -- his big debut -- was in Melee. However, he is a Fire Emblem Lord, and like every Lord, he starts in his own game.

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    Roy in FE6

    Fire Emblem: Sword of Seals (or Nintendo's official translation, "The Binding Blade", but I'll keep things short and call the game "FE6") was released in Japan on March 29, 2002, which is a little over four months after Melee's Japanese release. The setting takes place in Elibe, in which the continent consists of five countries: Lycia, Bern, Etruria, Sacae, and Ilia, and many other regions. Lycia in particular consists of 14 noble houses, including Ostia and Pherae (which Roy hails from). The basic premise shows our hero, Roy, originally studying in Ostia (Lycia's capital). However, later he leads Pherae's army against Bern's invasions on Lycia, after his father (Eliwood) falls ill. Roy (who's officially 15) joins up with the rest of Lycia's armies, effectively leading the League of Lycia's armies against Bern's forces.

    Despite being thrown into a heated war against one of most powerful military nations, over time Roy gains more faith in himself as a leader and dependence in his allies.

    A map of Elibe.

    Closer to the end, Roy obtains a divine sword, the Sword of Seals, which has fire and magical properties. Some include:

    • Can ignite and create fire projectiles
    • Healing properties
    • Bonus effects like more damage versus dragons
    • Can help to seal away beings
    • Can react and adjust its power accordingly to the wielder's emotions (for example, if the wielder does not want to kill the opponent, the sword can knock the opponent unconscious instead)
    • Considered stronger than the legendary weapons of Elibe

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    Roy wielding the SoS

    And throw in some dragons and there you have FE6...

    That being said, Roy has also appeared during the ending in FE7 (prequel to FE6), but more of a small cameo.

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    A younger Roy

    In Awakening, Roy's available to join your army through a DLC episode and SpotPass. DLC Roy is available by purchasing Xenologue: Champions of Yore 2, in which Roy's given kickass redesign by artist Kimihiko Fujisaka (The Last Story) for his artwork.

    Roy's redesign

    An interesting thing to note, is that the DLC episodes featuring Ike vs Roy and their armies is called "Xenologue: Smash Brethren", an obvious reference to the Smash Bros. series. The episode's name is different in the Japanese version though (thank you based NoA).

    In the upcoming crossover, Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem, Roy is set to appear. As of now, we know very little of the game. Yamagami has said the game's moving along schedule at the Codename S.T.E.A.M roundtable. We only have a teaser from last year. Nintendo has also confirmed SMT x FE in their financial reports multiple times before. Click here for the latest one (release date's TBD for now).

    Roy also appears the Hasha no Tsurugi manga, which was serialized in Monthly Shonen Jump. There are special downloaded events available in the game that are influenced by the manga. Check them out here!


    Roy In Smash Bros.

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    Roy's appearance in Super Smash Melee

    Most people first got introduced to Roy through Melee (unless you knew about FE6 prior to Melee's release by some means. Click here for early FE6 footage from Space World 2001!). In fact, originally Marth and Roy weren't going to be included in the Western release of Melee. However, American employees insisted that they stay. It was because of Marth and Roy's inclusion that sparked curiosity in the West, thus helping to make the decision to localize the FE games (starting with FE7). Interestingly enough, NoA seemed interested in localizing FE6, sometime after Melee. It could be because of Marth and Roy's popularity, or more specifically Roy's since I'm not sure why would they pick FE6, considering FE7 was coming around.

    There are many reasons why people love to play as Roy. It could be because of his play style. Or his fire sword and cool looks. Or perhaps Roy helped introduce them to the FE series. Or maybe because of his red hair... any reason is valid. I'll briefly go over some reasons as to why Roy would be a good choice for DLC:

    • A decently popular requested character in both Japan and in the West during Smash 4' development. Also, there were some Japanese polls done some about cut characters some time ago: http://smashboards.com/threads/roy.324203/page-25#post-15647046 Thanks SSBF for the pics. These polls were constructed a long time ago, but they're still interesting to look at for the heck of it
    • FE6 had a big impact on series (at least looking at it form Japan's perspective). Can be considered a game that revived the series, and included many staple elements. In a nutshell, the transition from FE5 --> FE6 was big (almost like the previous FE games to Awakening, but not as drastic). Shouzou Kaga (the creator of FE) left after FE5. After FE5 (a game that's know for its difficulty), it seemed like Nintendo wanted the series to be more accessible -- a game that's not only for the hardcore fans, but for new ones. For example, making FE6 more simpler, including a tutorial mode (that's optional), more cute and young-looking characters/brighter art style to perhaps attracted the younger crowd, etc., etc., may have helped
    • FE6 generally has great recognition from Japan (check FE6's reviews here and Awakening's here for comparison). If you're curious about some Japanese FE sales, check out a sales chart here (I personally don't use sales a lot in arguments, but I'd rather have some sources handy just in case)
    • Roy could be an easy character to implant if going the clone-ish route. If not, then the SoS has many characteristics and properties that could make Roy unique
    • Higher up at IS stated that remaking FE6 would give Roy a chance to be properly introduced in the West. Whether that remake is ever going to happen, idk, but if Roy's in, I think that remake will have a good chance at being green-lit. Or perhaps Roy would be a good character to help promote the remake (hey, I'm still waiting for info on SMT x FE... worrying about FE14 is the least of my worries).
    • TEH PHIR3!!

    I do think that if Roy were to be DLC, he'd still retain some clone-ish properties, seeing that characters like Ganon and Falco aren't totally revamped (although, we'll have to wait and see on Mewtwo...). On the bright side, Roy's tipper mechanic (doing more damage near the centre of the blade, er, well, I guess it's more like hilt lol) is still a unique and interesting thing. If implanted, he could fit a rush down archetype, getting into the face of an opponent to deal some strong damage. Perhaps Roy could also dip into being a glass cannon a little. Although, giving Roy a projectile could help with zoning and make him stand out more versus Marth, Ike, and Lucina.


    Moveset Ideas

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    "Feel the wrath of my fire! ARRGHHH!!... (it's a good thing I'm wearing non-flammable clothing)"


    Custom Specials


    Colour swaps/costume ideas


    Fanart



    Videos



    What you could do to help: SHOW YOUR SUPPORT!!

    Spread this site around: http://www.royforsmash4.com/

    I'm going to go over various ways people could show their support and reach out via social media. This will be quick and to the point.

    Twitter: Follow @roy4smash4 and tweet to important people and those who you think could spread the support around. Be sure to include links to any external sources/sites you feel are relevent to Roy's support, such as this site: http://www.royforsmash4.com/ and #Roy4Smash4 everything! One of the best things to get our voices heard, especially if we could get a lot of supporters on this!

    List of important people:

    • @Sora_Sakurai (Masahiro Sakurai, Game Director)
    • @Nintendo (Nintendo of Japan)
    • @NintendoAmerica (Nintendo of America)
    • @HIGUCHI_BNG (Yoshito Higuchi, Game Director)
    • @Harada_TEKKEN (Katsuhiro Harada, Namco Bandai producer/Game Producer/Lead Developer of Tekken)
    • @BandaiNamcoUS (Bandai Namco Games)
    • @trintran (Bill Trinen, Nintendo Treehouse Member)

    Feel free to add anyone else you think is important.

    Letters: Sending a physical letter shows commitment and thought -- it's probably one of the best ways to get through to people. I hope to be sending letters out soon, and when I do, I will post an example for people to copy if they are short on time. However, in the meantime, grab some nice stationery paper to print, and start typing out letters to mail! or write if you have nice handwriting... ya, that will never be me. For now, brief letter structure idea:

    1) Greeting/Introduction (who are you and what are you going to be talking about?)
    2) Body (why do you support Roy, why does his absence have a negative effect on you, what can he bring, ect., and anything else you think is important)
    3) Closing/last words (be sure to leave a polite and good impression)
    4) Signature (or anonymously signed if you prefer)
    5) Postscript ("P.S." at the end of the letter. Usually applies to pen & ink written letters. If you forgot something/have something else to say that may be a little off topic [usually applies to e-mails], here's your chance)

    Letter example: Here's a letter I've sent to Nintendo of America customer support ([email protected]) that could be copied for those short on time. It can also be edited to your liking, especially if you're mailing to a different company.

    I'd recommend bolding or underlining important questions you're asking. It's a neat trick that helps emphasize on what's being said, catching the reader's eyes on what's important more easily.


    Snail mail addresses:

    • Nintendo of America: 4600 150th Ave NE, Redmond, WA 98052, United States
    • Namco Bandai: 1740 Technology Drive, Suite 600; San Jose, CA 95110
    • Nintendo head office: Nintendo Company, Ltd., 11-1 Kamitoba-hokotate-cho, Minami-ku, Kyoto 601-8501, Japan
    • Intelligent Systems main office: INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS CO., LTD., 10 Daimotsu-cho Kamitoba Minami-ku, Kyoto-shi Kyoto-fu 601-8121, Japan
    ***Don't forget to buy international stamps if you're sending mail outside your country!***

    You can also send letters by email. Here's some addresses:

    - Nintendo of America: Contact Nintendo directly here. The site allows you to contact Nintendo through a support ticket process, however, there is a max character limit for what you want to write. Instead, I recommend contacting NoA via email through this support address: [email protected]
    - Namco Bandai: [email protected] (website, customer support)
    - Intelligent Systems: [email protected] (website)

    ***Please remember to be polite and courteous when reaching out via social media. There's nothing wrong with trying to make a strong, loud impression, however, we should also make a good impression***​

    Other ways:

    - Club Nintendo surveys. Codes are found within the games you buy, and you could register them to partake in surveys. I suggest people to sign up (it's free, website) and when you buy Smash 3DS or Wii U, participate in the survey. I know for the Smash 3DS survey, near the end there's a question that asks what are you looking forward to/what are you excited about. So, perhaps it's a good time to express that you're excited for character DLC, but also mention you would like to see Roy return. I'm sure developers do check these surveys as Paper Mario: Sticker Star's lack of story was supposedly because a low amount of people expressed interest in story elements, taken from the Club Nintendo survey. It's feedback in the end, and we're allowed to give it
    - Online character polls. Vote for Roy every time you see a Smash DLC popularity poll, whether on this site or elsewhere. It's a good way to gauge interest in Roy in the West
    - Call people. Nintendo of America: (425)-882-2040 and Namco Bandai: (408)-235-2000


    The future isn't bleak

    Roy will need all the support he could get. However, even if Roy does not become playable in the end, there may be some positive outcomes to look forward too. A higher-up at IS has previously stated that he would like to see FE6 remade. As such, showing support for Roy in Smash and a FE6 remake (or even for the game to be localized on VC) may eventually lead to Roy getting a proper introduction here. No doubt Roy's more popular in Japan (FE6 is usually highly acclaimed too), but if Japan sees the West's interest in Roy, well, then who knows. Please don't be shy to spread the movement around -- tell your friends, family, and everyone else in between. Most of us are viewing this thread on some sort of device with wifi... why not spend 5 min tweeting your support for Roy, or writing an email? It doesn't hurt to at least try.

    Gotta give credit when it'e due. Thanks @BKupa666 for the many campaign ideas.
    And thanks to all the supporters!



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    Please tag me/reply in this thread if you'd like to be added

    MORE COMING SOON!!

    If you'd like to contribute anything for the OP, feel free to tell me and I'll get on it.
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    Nah Roy isn't coming back, there's nothing supporting Roy in fact his game is old and he was already removed one...and if the redesign was your redeeming point, remember that "he isn't the only character with a redesign" and if you saw his game model you will know they barely worked in him....
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    Then again, Roy was in the Forbidden 7, removed due to time constraints. It's not too unreasonable to say he could come back.
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    Can't you let us dream?
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    Dream while you are sleeping bro, here we only work with facts , and facts aren't showing any sympathy with Roy's case...."My main in Melee is Roy"...

    I hardly find the Forbidden 7 as a good point, no one knows why they were removed...time constraints could've been a factor but maybe they didn't want to include them...after all Sakurai single-handedly took over the balancing of characters...
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    Well right now, there aren't ANY facts in terms of characters in Smash 4. When it comes to Roy, the fact is he was going to be in Brawl but didn't make it due to TIME.
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    Ok give me a source of Sakurai saying he couldn't include Roy due to time....
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    Isn't some of Roy's data actually in Brawl?

    Don't quote me on it, but I could've sworn some of it was.
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    Roy is still the second most requested character in Japan, where character popularity matters more anyway. And while he wasn't in Brawl, it's not because he was "removed" as Young Link and Pichu were, he was still planned, and was the second closest to completion, which shows that Sakurai still cared about adding him.

    And I wasn't using his redesign as a point for his inclusion, I was just commenting on how awesome it looks. But him appearing again, while one of many redesigned characters, doesn't hurt his chances.

    The Forbidden 7 is a fine point. It's quite obvious Roy and the other 6 (except perhaps Dixie) weren't included due to time constraints, but all at one time had the intention to be included. If they didn't want to include them they wouldn't have gone to the effort of partially programming them. And Sakurai single-handedly balancing characters is nothing new to Brawl, he's been doing it since 64, and only now with SSB4 is getting help with it.
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    Yes you are correct, but the thing is, there was no reason given why such big chunk of leftover data were there on first place, people are speculating that it is because of time constrains but I highly doubt it, I don't know but I think it's about Sakurai not wanting to balance any more characters...
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    Didn't we tend to ignore Ike-Sama in the old thread.

    Roy absolutely has a good shot. If his FIRE SWORD were played up in a new moveset, that'd make him much more interesting and stand out among the entire roster. The only other option for a Fire Emblem character is Krom. It's even possible Ike may leave.

    PREDICTING FIRE EMBLEM CHARACTERS IS ALWAYS A MESS, but with only four options and it being likely that we'll have at least three characters from it, Roy's got it pretty good.
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    Do you have a source for this?
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    I would be ecstatic if Roy returned, hopefully with at least a luigified moveset and his (godly) FE13 appearance.
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    Krom is destroying Roy's chances....now Krom gotta be the most likeable Lord of all time in Fire Emblem....Roy have alot of haters (I hate him in his game he was weak)..... Ike chance are way higher than Roy's...it seems Intelligent Sys have high regards for Ike to...
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    N3ON Gimme Sympathy

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    Chronobound's Japanese's findings:
    These results are a several weeks old, but most of the info is still probably fairly accurate.

    My bad I forgot, though I can see why. ;):awesome:
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    It's more like months old. Might have been before even Awakening was announced.
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    Hmm. Is this from him searching through a Smash Bros. fan forum or something? I can imagine that Smash Bros. fans would have a bias towards characters they know from Smash Bros. games, as opposed to the general public. I find it hard to believe that Roy is generally favored over Krom, especially with how well Fire Emblem: Awakening is selling in Japan.

    I could be wrong, though. I'm not for or against Roy coming back.


    Oh.. well, nevermind then.
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    I'd give Roy a 25% chance of returning. Fuuin No Tsurugi dates back to 2002, and despite his redesign in Awakening, I question whether his role there will be enough.
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    It's from March. So, once Awakening came out, I would guess that Krom probably gained alot more support, but I'm not sure if that means Roy lost support or they're both fairly popular.

    I could use some new ChronoBound findings. :laugh:

    I believe it's the results of a few Smash forums or sites, but I don't know which ones. And yeah, I believe Krom is more popular than Roy right now in general, but Roy is still more requested for Smash. But those results I posted were older than I thought, so now it might be a little different, although even if Roy lost some popularity, he would still be one of the most requested.
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    Please... Roy should back and replaces Ike
    With that, we can have a perfect FE roster <3
    btw, still the char with lowest % to come back, along with Pichu (in my opinion)
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    Why should Roy replace Ike when Roy = Marth in SSBM and even in his game like most Lords Marth and Roy are similar in class and style....so Roy doesn't have anything that makes him special, there are way better candidates than Roy, he was put to promote the game...I remember reading Marth was the only character presenting Fire Emblem but it seems that Int Sys. have persuaded Sakurai to add Roy to boost the game sales....Ike was suggested by Int Sys. ....because Sakurai wanted a second Rep for SSBB....so you can say Roy never existed in SSB. he was only a one time character while Ike is considered the second character that Sakurai asked for.....
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    We did.

    I keep hearing about a thrusty gameplay he should have.
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    Too be honest I really hope Roy doens't return. He is one of the most boring lords in the series and he is really not all that interesting.

    Plus he was Marth's clone in melee.

    I'd rather see any other Fire Emblem Lord instead of him, or even better, a non lord character.

    That'd be just too great to even happen.
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    Someone speak something out of his mind, finally...Roy is only popular because he was in melee, if he wasn't in melee he would've been the last lord you'd want in your roster....he isn't that awesome in his game, in Fuuin no Tsurugi he sucks...literally even worse than his father Eliwood...you'd hate the game because of him of how sucky he can be....I wish Dieck or Oujay were the main characters atleast they wouldn't have sucked....

    And what's the deal with ignoring me ? people should know better...you can't ignore everything you don't like....you must hear the bad and the good...and TBH you gotta admit I bring some damn good points about Roy.
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    Lol

    Probably due to the fact that he's the Lord for IS's previously hinted FE All-Stars game, not to mention the fact that he takes things from the majority of previous male FE lords.

    Marth's Sword, Ike's Style and Skills, Ephraim and Alm's personalities, Roy's special abilities (lances and whatnot), ect.

    Should have some more in the info thread on the first page or so.

    This.


    Also am stealing this from my blog:

    ^^^ Used to have links included, so feel free to request them.
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    Well you can't blame me for not knowing, but if you would share the links I appreciate it :).
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    Probably should have just done this to begin with. lol

    The last link also mentions FE All-Stars, which I think we all know now is FE13.


    EDIT: Stole this from the info thread:

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    I definitely wouldn't mind Roy being included, now that Chrono isn't around to make me hate him. His new style is awesome, and since Micaiah, and Caeda are forbidden subjects, ill put my token on Roy for what FE character I want. Try, you should make a Caeda thread!

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    Been wondering where Chrono is. But nah, I'd support a Caeda thread, but I don't see the point in starting one anymore. Would feel as silly as that Black Knight Social Group.

    I'll probably be the one to do the Palutena one at some point though.


    Also to keep on topic, here's my thoughts on Krom:

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    My apologies....I take back everything I said about Roy....I'm wrong you are right.
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    this may be bad......
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    Roy, as a matter of fact, is our boy. That's reasoning enough right there.

    Also, shoutouts to chibi Hatsune Miku.

    Chronobound, where you at.
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    To be honest I am sure Roy's popularity is entirely due to him being in smash.

    Not that there is anything wrong with it since thanks to Smash obscure games like Fire Emblem and EarthBound became better known.

    But seriously. Roy as a character both gameplay-wise and story wise is just awful. He is really bland as a character. And as unlikely as it may be due to the nature of smash's cast selection I'd rather see any of the supporting characters in any Fire Emblem rather than a lord (Unless Hector) Not just because they are usually more interesting than the main characters, but also because they would be really interesting gameplaywise.

    Having a Mage would be pretty cool in smash.

    Hell they could add Krom and his sister, at least she would show some more variety in the franchise's rep of 3 Cape-wearing swordsmen with bad anime hair.
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    Same with Lucario. Same with Pit. Same with many other fighters from the games. It just so happens that Roy's character in Smash is very distinct... whether it's his voice (awesome voice) or playstyle, he found a way to stick out. Marth has the moves, but Roy has the character.

    Either way, I'm loving the support Roy has been gathering, him and Mewtwo. Roy and Marth have really good chemistry together, it just didn't feel the same without him in SSBB. I'm hoping the two of them can reunite on the roster once more in either SSB Wii U or SSB 3DS; hopefully Krom or Ike don't screw things up.
    Plus, we need a little more redhead. Too much blue hair everywhere.
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    Wait a second

    This is so dumb. Are we trying to discredit Roy from a gaming series he got his popularity from? Oh god.
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    You think Roy and Marth have good chemistry together because they are basically the same....except one have a red hair and the other have a blue hair...when you see Ike and Marth together you know that those two are different because one is quite rough looking and the other look girly...people saying they are similar because of hair color are the most shallow.... anyways even though Roy have things going for him I still want any other character instead of Roy...
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    Actually a good point.

    And as I said before, there's really nothing wrong with that.


    BUT, What I am trying to say is.
    Practically 3/4 of the entirety of the Fire Emblem cast would be a more interesting choice than him.

    Roy had his chance. Is time for another character to become well known.


    Also as an unnecessary note, I used to think Roy was cool.
    Then I actually played FE6.
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    This I understand, but the fact I saw a con for Roy being his popularity lies in Smash...it doesn't make sense since we're talking about Smash.

    That's all. I personally would like Sothe in, but this is the Roy thread.
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    Alright then.


    Too be honest I would only like him to come back if he gets a completely different move set.

    At least that way he would be different from Marth.

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