Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
Point of This Topic
Some of you may have noticed several things about the Ike boards. The first part being that our current, completed Match Up Discussion Topic is rather...old. Outdated. Based on outdated information. Second thing you may have noticed: a lack of a new match-up discussion topic. It's not to say we haven't tried, it just fell apart. While that is perfectly fine for us, who have been around quite a long time and know what Ike's match-ups are like currently, it does nothing to help new guys coming in, and wanting to learn about Ike. Specifically, wanting to learn how Ike's match-ups are like.
The purpose of this topic is for the various veterans of this board to spit out what they believe the match-up ratios are, without going to various boards to discuss them, and to come up with an average. This first post will then contain all of those averages, both true averages (such as 51-49 and 63-37, ect.), and averages to the nearest commonly used number (Such as 50-50, 65-35, ect.). This way, anyone at a glance can know what to expect difficulty wise from various match-ups, and the challenges of using Ike as a whole in a tournament.
What is NOT the Point of This Topic
In depth explanations. While I'm sure the members of the Ike board will be glad to those who want help with match-ups in the Ashunera’s Library topic, this topic isn't really meant for everyone to come in and say their opinion. This is really for those who have used Ike in several tournaments and have match-up experience, and for those who are generally considered to have a good idea about how Ike works. I'm a loophole, due to the fact I made the topic. Sue me if you don't like it. All joking aside though, we don't want people from other character boards coming in, and telling us how we're wrong. That is NOT what this topic is about. This is for those who use Ike, and are respected on this board as being a good Ike main/knowledgeable about Ike and those people alone. If you don't like it: sorry. But this topic has a set purpose, and I want to make sure it's done correctly.
Flamewars. Believe it or not: the point here isn't to rip out each other's throats, as much fun as that is. People's opinions will differ. Feel free to ask other people post ratios "Hey, why do you think it's that?" but don't start flaming each other, or going in depth and having discussions spanning pages over a match-up ratio. I want this to be quickly, and simply done, so we can get this out of the way. Then we can go back to ripping each other apart, okay?
Ratio Chart
List of Contributers
Wanna know who's ratios were used so you know who toflame thank? Here you go:
Niddo. Is also the creator of the topic.
San
Bored
Mr.Doom
Ussi
Nysyarc. Is also the dude who actually figured out the ratios. I just copy and pasted them like the lazy guy I am. :D
YagamiLight
RedX
Slaps
Brettster
Some of you may have noticed several things about the Ike boards. The first part being that our current, completed Match Up Discussion Topic is rather...old. Outdated. Based on outdated information. Second thing you may have noticed: a lack of a new match-up discussion topic. It's not to say we haven't tried, it just fell apart. While that is perfectly fine for us, who have been around quite a long time and know what Ike's match-ups are like currently, it does nothing to help new guys coming in, and wanting to learn about Ike. Specifically, wanting to learn how Ike's match-ups are like.
The purpose of this topic is for the various veterans of this board to spit out what they believe the match-up ratios are, without going to various boards to discuss them, and to come up with an average. This first post will then contain all of those averages, both true averages (such as 51-49 and 63-37, ect.), and averages to the nearest commonly used number (Such as 50-50, 65-35, ect.). This way, anyone at a glance can know what to expect difficulty wise from various match-ups, and the challenges of using Ike as a whole in a tournament.
What is NOT the Point of This Topic
In depth explanations. While I'm sure the members of the Ike board will be glad to those who want help with match-ups in the Ashunera’s Library topic, this topic isn't really meant for everyone to come in and say their opinion. This is really for those who have used Ike in several tournaments and have match-up experience, and for those who are generally considered to have a good idea about how Ike works. I'm a loophole, due to the fact I made the topic. Sue me if you don't like it. All joking aside though, we don't want people from other character boards coming in, and telling us how we're wrong. That is NOT what this topic is about. This is for those who use Ike, and are respected on this board as being a good Ike main/knowledgeable about Ike and those people alone. If you don't like it: sorry. But this topic has a set purpose, and I want to make sure it's done correctly.
Flamewars. Believe it or not: the point here isn't to rip out each other's throats, as much fun as that is. People's opinions will differ. Feel free to ask other people post ratios "Hey, why do you think it's that?" but don't start flaming each other, or going in depth and having discussions spanning pages over a match-up ratio. I want this to be quickly, and simply done, so we can get this out of the way. Then we can go back to ripping each other apart, okay?
Ratio Chart
Okay so here are the updated averages. I'll just do a quick color legend:
Cyan: True Average Ratio
Yellow: Rounded Average Ratio
Red: Rounded average has gone down with new data
Green: Rounded average has gone up with new data
I didn't bother noting each time the true average went up or down, because there were a lot of minor changes, but I took note of the few times when there was a significant difference in input that caused the rounded average to change. It only ever changed by 5 in the given direction though (60-40 to 55-45 for example).
30-70 (30-70)
42-58 (40-60)
44-56 (45-55) Change +
39-61 (40-60) Change +
49-51 (50-50)
38-62 (40-60) Change +
46-54 (45-55)
37-63 (35-65)
47-53 (45-55)
37-63 (35-65)
43-57 (45-55)
49-51 (50-50) Change +
45-55 (45-55)
44-56 (45-55) Change +
41-59 (40-60)
47-53 (45-55)
48-52 (50-50) Change +
50-50 (50-50)
49-51 (50-50)
44-56 (45-55)
57-43 (55-45) Change -
44-56 (45-55)
45-55 (45-55)
59-41 (60-40) Change +
61-39 (60-40)
61-39 (60-40)
52-48 (50-50)
48-52 (50-50)
53-47 (55-45)
59-41 (60-40)
55-45 (55-45)
+ will always =
55-45 (55-45)
54-46 (55-45) Change +
58-42 (60-40)
42-58 (40-60) Change -
55-45 (55-45)
60-40 (60-40)
60-40 (60-40)
65-35 (65-35)
Average Ratio Against All Characters:
48.9-51.1 (50-50)
Average Ratio Against High Tier Characters:
41.7-58.3 (40-60)
Average Ratio Against Mid Tier Characters:
49.5-50.5 (50-50)
Average Ratio Against Low Tier Characters:
55.4-44.6 (55-45)
A lot of big changes to our average MU ratios in this one, mostly for the better. As a result, the true averages for our ratios against all characters, high tier characters and mid tier characters increased a bit, but not enough to cause the rounded averages to change.
As for MUs that are pretty borderline... Snake is very close to tipping towards 45-55. DDD and Olimar are both close to being 40-60 instead of 35-65. Also, Pikachu and Kirby are both very close to being 50-50.
List of Contributers
Wanna know who's ratios were used so you know who to
Niddo. Is also the creator of the topic.
San
Bored
Mr.Doom
Ussi
Nysyarc. Is also the dude who actually figured out the ratios. I just copy and pasted them like the lazy guy I am. :D
YagamiLight
RedX
Slaps
Brettster