I didn't post this to ask what the matchup odds are. Fox is better than Snake, G&W and Falco against Meta Knight, all of which you board fanatics call "even matchups".
MK vs Fox analysis...
-In the air.
Metaknight below Fox:
MK is in a dangerous position below Fox. If MK takes the air, Fox's dair beats all of MK's aerials more than half the time. Dair drags him into the ground by following DI which allows Fox to follow up. If MK decides to stay grounded and Fox baits his shield once, his shield is too bad compared to other characters and Fox's aerials can go through it (shinestalling is Fox's baiting tool). Spotdodging doesn't stall long enough for Fox's nair to miss, since he can fastfall at any time he's willing. Oh, and if MK moves away, Fox can fastfall avoiding him, while airdodging if he wants.
-Metaknight above Fox:
MK's fair and bair hit to the sides and have smaller hitboxes downwards than upwards. Dair's hitbox lasts little and he can't dair as quickly as he can upair. Fox can jump towards MK and nair, which always works unless MK airdodges, which is the best he can do in that situation (besides Mach Tornado) and only ends up in no one hurt but in no advantage for MK.
-Mach Tornado issues:
Fox has none. He quickly pops up out of tornadoes and he can either beat them from above or stall them out.
-Shuttle loop issues:
Fox falls quickly and his dair beats shuttle loop if MK is too close horizontally (like G&W, except Fox's dair is quicker), if MK is too far horizontally, Fox can go for the edge or shinestall a bit (he can always shinestall a bit, by the way).
-Downsmash:
Hard to hit for MK, punished if shielded, and nair beats it if Fox falls towards MK.
-Camping, stalling:
MK has trouble dair camping without getting naired all of a sudden, Fox can actually rely on safe shinestalling and making MK rush to him via lasers (which are always connecting and replenish his moves btw).
Plus Fox can do all of the generic nair/dair to uptilt/dash attack stuff on MK. As far as I've seen, MK and fox can both KO from above 80% from a smash, but MK has to go through the trouble of successfully edgeguarding, while Fox only has to wait for MK to respawn and kick him a couple more times. Fox has a relatively easier time stringing moves together by the way, so a 1 stock advantage easily gets to 1 stock adv plus MK at around 50% (from one string of hits, example nair to uptilt x1 or x2 to downthrow to nair). Both characters can string attacks effectively, I think Fox does it more effectively at lower percentages, while MK does it better at middle %, but strings are still not a guarantee above mid percentages.
Fox vs MK is easier than a MK ditto. G&W/Falco/Snake vs MK is HARDER. Unrelliable KO'ing as G&W, lack of options as Falco, lack of not getting shuttle looped to death as Snake.
I'm the best MK player in Tijuana, Mexico and go even against DSF (I can't say I'm as good as him, because he seems to do much better against other people). I know my MK ditto gameplay and I know why I started playing Fox. I would like to know what people think about Fox as a secondary because of this breakthrough, not if people think he loses to them or beats them, which I don't need confirmation of. This thread seems to have gotten only replies of either frustrated Fox players that hate their own character, people who <<a) play b) hate c) all of the above>> Metaknight, or from Fenrir VII, the guy who's right, that people are gonna ignore because he's not a Metaknight player, I'm guessing.
My post was about Fox being a good secondary character because of a couple of his matchups, not about asking for reassurance to know if Fox beats them or not. I tried to EXPLAIN this. If you want to ignore my post and want to keep stating "MK>everyone" (which is what you're stating since Fox is his hardest matchup), then complain in the matchup thread and let the objective ones post their thoughts.
People post like they play BOTH characters (or at least ONE OF THEM), and like they actually win tournaments based on their "thoughts". Not knowledge, because for you to know something, it should be true, right? Unless I'm wrong...oh wait...I'm the one who makes sense here. I can't be wrong.
