The Debate Hall Social Thread

[Aesir]

I am so sick of this country and it's need to wish ill on others.

Tea party wants obama to fail, they actively hope for it, how hateful can you be to hope this country gets worse?

Jimmy Carter in the Hospital and all people have to say is "to bad he didn't die"

For a country that claims to be a christian nation they're not very Christian.

 

[Lore]

I completely agree, Aesir. We would get a lot more done if we didn't constantly hate "the other guys."

Oh, and Glenn Beck is great for a good laugh after school. All he did was tie Obama's slogan (yes we can) to a communist book from 1981, show how his friends who run programs like Planned Parenting are "Marxism supporters", yell about how socialism/marxism is evil and leads only to mass graves, and talk about how his family prays for America every night.

He later started talking about how God is the only hope for America, which was ok until he started yelling about socialism again.

Also, a guest preacher said last Sunday that before Fox News came around, you never got to hear both sides of the story. I actually started laughing out loud, and I left after he said that the Law of Conservation of Mass is contradicted by evolution because matter is created and destroyed during evolution, so, logically, the theory of evolution is false.

 

[KrazyGlue]

The part of the tea party that media covers (i.e. the unreasonable ones) is really quite sinister. I wouldn't even call them republicans. They're more like revolutionists who couldn't care less what happens to the country as long as a democrat isn't president. They honestly don't give a **** who they're actually electing. Sarah Palin? Christine O'Donnel? Really? Nobody seems to actually care what credentials they have or what they have done in the past. Anything bad they've done is brushed off on the "liberal media". I'd love to see a study on the average level of education of these people. (And by the way, this is not directed to reasonable tea party members who the media never covers, only the radical ones like those who support Palin.)

 

[Bob Jane T-Mart]

Firstly, sex, heterosexual or homsexual, isn't always an act of love. Secondly, how is it different to drugs? You desire the homsoexual act, so you do it, just like an addict does the drug because he desires it.

Regardless, the point was to highlight the inconsistencies in people's reactions. If I were to criticise drug use, everyone is ok with it. But when I criticise the homsoexual act, in the exact same way, everyone loses their cool.




If he's talking in Church he's being disrespectful, and not complying with Church rules.

Secondly, that's someone entering an evironemnt, trying to change other people's views. I was asked to present mine, and never had the intent of converting anyone to my position.



I'm saying that with regards to the above scenario, the equivalent of how I went about my argument would be like the atheist guy not talking during the mass, and then being asked to defend his position, because remember, I only did it because I was asked to.




Again, I made a post relevant to the OP, and then I was asked to defend my position.



Again, I only did it because I was asked to provide my argument. And for the one hundreth time, I'm not criticisng the person, I'm criticising the act.



Being "annoying" because you were asked to by the people who were subsequently annoyed seems like a legitimate reason to me.

Okay, I see where you're coming from. Sorry if I've been stupid or anything. And yeah pies are great fun.

Also, I'm thinking about the Obesity issue again. There was an article published in New Scientist about it, suggesting that junk food is addictive. I'm wondering if it's worth a new thread.

 

[El Nino]

edit: wrong thread

 

[Sucumbio]

@Sucumbio, you ever get the Apple Pie ice cream from Cold Stone? Stuff is like crack for me. Can't get enough.

um, NO? Can I get that at like, stores? Or is Cold Stone an ice cream chain or something? Dude, you just made my morning, so gonna find this stuff!

I am so sick of this country and it's need to wish ill on others.

Tea party wants obama to fail, they actively hope for it, how hateful can you be to hope this country gets worse?

Jimmy Carter in the Hospital and all people have to say is "to bad he didn't die"

For a country that claims to be a christian nation they're not very Christian.

Word. In fact some may go so far as to say that Tea Party and their exploits = treason. I think they're just loud mouths with their heads up their collective *****, but... treasonous, I can recall at least one incident where it could have been seen as such.

 

[Dre89]

I like apple pie best, but I feel feminine saying that.

I don't understand why vanilla ice cream goes so well with it. On its own, vanilla ice cream is so boring, yet with apple pie it's the best flavour. I don't get it.

Bob Jane- I'm glad you see where I'm coming from. I appreciate your maturity as well, so thanks.

On a completely unrelated note, what happened to Eor? I heard he/she got banned or something. He/she was a good debater.

 

[Deleted member]

back to your old avatar?

And I say cherry pie for top tier. how can you not like this:

 

[KrazyGlue]

On a completely unrelated note, what happened to Eor? I heard he/she got banned or something. He/she was a good debater.

Eor asked to be super banned, if I recall correctly.

 

[Reaver197]

um, NO? Can I get that at like, stores? Or is Cold Stone an ice cream chain or something? Dude, you just made my morning, so gonna find this stuff!

It's an ice cream chain that is at least around in the New York and, I assume, Northeast area. Don't know where you live, but you should definitely check if they have any places nearby.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

There's one in Philly.

EPIC ICE CREAM.

Eor asked to be super banned, if I recall correctly.

I heard somwhere that he used EE's account to post pictures of the BBR in the back room.

 

[.Marik]

Hater reporting in.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

 

[DoH]

I like apple pie best, but I feel feminine saying that.

lolwut?

I mean apple pie is American, what's more manly than America?

 

[Bob Jane T-Mart]

lolwut?

I mean apple pie is American, what's more manly than America?

Australia?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Australia got nothin on america.

 

[Reaver197]

****.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/09/hawking-radiation-in-the-lab/

http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/09/metamaterial-based-model-of-alcubierre.html

 

[Bob Jane T-Mart]

Australia got nothin on america.

Did you click the link?

 

[KrazyGlue]

Guys, I hate to be like this, but this is NOT what the social thread was intended for at all. Pie? 3-5 word posts? Posting only a picture with no intention for intelligent discussion?

This thread is supposed to be for intelligent discussion. Not for "what's the best pie", "what's the best country", and similar discussions. I'm afraid the title of "social thread" is misleading. "Social thread" does not mean talk about whatever you want. It's meant for intelligent discussion and other things that don't quite merit a new thread but still should be brought up. Reaver's post is a good example. You don't need a wall of text, but it has to spark intelligent discussion.

Now, if we were to debate which pie is the best based off of actual evidence (polls of people's opinions, health benefits, sales, etc.), then that could work.

 

[Dre89]

It seems that every discussion we have here isn't appropriate fir the thread lol.

 

[KrazyGlue]

Probably true, but this one was particularly long and egregious. I just don't want the social thread to turn into what its original detractors said to would be: a spam infested place that would fit better in the pool room.

 

[thegreatkazoo]

Something on point:

Atheists know their religion.

Contrary to some people's belief.

Not really surprised with this: If you are gonna step off the religion bus, you've likely spent a lot of time thinking about it, analyzing it, &c...

 

[KrazyGlue]

Passing that survey also requires a good history education. Some of the questions were easy, but it was understandable that some of those questions were hard for people. I'd like to take this quiz myself. I think it would be interesting.

Maybe atheists and agnostics answered well because a large percentage came from religious families and had to consider their religion a lot before leaving it. Just pondering.

 

[Dre89]

The Jews actually got the most right.

I took the quiz, and got 12/15.

Alot of those were historical or legislation based.

None of them really addressed any deep theological questions though.

 

[Reaver197]

Alot of those were historical or legislation based.

None of them really addressed any deep theological questions though.

That's kind of the point.

As for what should go in the social thread, as long as it isn't extremely dumb or just plain inflammatory, I don't see why people can't kick back and have some fun every once in a while. Sometimes it's nice just to joke around and be amicable with the people you generally are debating or arguing with for the most part.

 

[KrazyGlue]

I got 12/15. Kinda disappointing that they don't tell you which ones you got wrong...

The Jews actually got the most right.

Only true for the Christianity questions. Funny that Jews and Atheists/agnostics know more about Christianity than Christians do.

Overall (out of the 32 total) the atheists/agnostics did the best.

 

[Reaver197]

They do, you just have got to navigate the results page. It is a little confusing they don't show you right off the bat though.

I got 14 out of 15. I had no idea for the last question, lol.

 

[Bob Jane T-Mart]

I got 12/15. Kinda disappointing that they don't tell you which ones you got wrong...



Only true for the Christianity questions. Funny that Jews and Atheists/agnostics know more about Christianity than Christians do.

Overall (out of the 32 total) the atheists/agnostics did the best.

Yeah us 80%ers! It's funny that Catholics got utterly hammered by it though. Less than half of the questions correct on average. With Protestants averaging 50%, I wouldn't have had any clue it was like this.

 

[Dre89]

The Catholic thing is probably misleading though.

You get alot of "marignal Catholics", people who are baptised Catholic, and call themselves that, but don't practice it or know anything about it.

If it just counted people who legititimately practised Catholicism, they would have gotten a better result.

 

[manhunter098]

I did the quiz, got every question right. I was somewhat unsure on like two of them, but I am good at multiple choice. I guess it helps that I was raised Jewish and am now an atheist though (parents were pretty darn secular though).

Dre, there is actually another tab to look at how religious attendance affected scores, the result, not much. A range of 3%, its probably significant somehow, but funnily enough people who almost never attended scored better than those who attended only monthly/yearly.

Education though is very strongly linked with how well people did (no surprise, because education makes everything better). It makes me wonder if education is the causal factor in a lot of this. Jews and atheists being very present in higher education, Hispanics and black people less so. Not really sure what else I can draw on for the other groups listed, they are a little harder to pin down.

 

[rvkevin]

It makes me wonder if education is the causal factor in a lot of this. Jews and atheists being very present in higher education, Hispanics and black people less so. Not really sure what else I can draw on for the other groups listed, they are a little harder to pin down.

They said that when controlled for education, atheists/agnostics still outperformed the other groups, which means that education is not the cause. It has been suggested that learning comparative religion is a factor that leads to atheism. Since the quiz focused on a variety of religions, I think that this is the most probable explanation.

 

[Deleted member]

Krazy, I did the Pie thing to kill the previous discussion.
I've used it before and it is a great way to just change the subject, regardless of people actually taking the "this topic is now about pie" seriously.

10/15 in the quiz btw
I mostly failed at some of the "who was".

As the quiz focussed on multiple religions I can see theists score lower as they would "probably" be less interested in other religions, while atheists would probably learn a bit from multiple religions.

 

[Sucumbio]

13 out of 15. I'm willing to bet we all got the same 2 wrong:

Which one of these preachers participated in the period of religious activity known as the First Great Awakening?

Spoiler

had never heard of it until now, and picking the one person of the three that I'd never heard of didn't seem to result in a correct answer.

and one of the following 2:

According to rulings by the U.S. Supreme Court, is a public school teacher permitted to lead a class in prayer, or not?

Spoiler

after looking it up I got this one wrong >< (cause, like, what about sports coaches that lead their team in a quick prayer before a game?)

According to rulings by the U.S. Supreme Court, is a public school teacher permitted to read from the Bible as an example of literature, or not?

Spoiler

Got this one right.

@Reaver

I live in Mississippi so I guess that's a no-go for me

Those links you posted were a nice read. I can't wait until we have warp-capable spacecraft. In fact the first link regarding black holes could lead to gravity-drives.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

I got 9/16.

I suck at religious quizzes T_T

 

[Lythium]

Especially since it's out of 15.

And for the record, I actually wouldn't mind having debates about silly things like pie, if people wanted to do it. DH is so "serious business" all the time. Not that it's a bad thing. But more lighthearted debates would be welcome.

/twocents

 

[Deleted member]

It would make for a good (PG) challenge to have a debate about something extremely silly, and see how well one could defend their PoV.

 

[Lore]

I got 13/15 on the quiz, and I missed the questions about the Jewish Sabbath and the communion bread/wine becoming the body and blood of Christ.

Dre, can you explain that last one to me?

 

[Sucumbio]

Especially since it's out of 15.

And for the record, I actually wouldn't mind having debates about silly things like pie, if people wanted to do it. DH is so "serious business" all the time. Not that it's a bad thing. But more lighthearted debates would be welcome.

/twocents

I think we can handle fun styled debates in the social thread. I think we can handle being social in the social thread. We're a community within a community, the "debaters" of SWF. I loved it when we got april fool'd on and our title description was changed to "likes to argue over the internet" lol! so true...

I do understand Krazy's POV, past transgressions of this nature would have been warned and threatened to lock the social thread. *shrug* I'm down if you're down. Though I think this thing with the pie was a debate-version of "I like pie" which is the internet way of saying "guys, relax, lets lighten up and talk about something else."

@werekill I know I'm not Dre. but just FYI it's known as Transubstantiation. Don't get too wrapped up in the philosophy if you can help it, but basically Roman Catholics believe when Jesus at The Last Supper held bread in his hands and announced "Take. eat. This is my body." that he was being literal, and that although the appearence of the bread was unchanged, the -substance- (hence the term) of the bread was changed into him. They were eating him. As in, like... cannibalism. But since he was the son of God, they were eating the flesh of God. Today, it is believed by Catholics that Priests when performing Holy Communion are for a time a direct channel to God, able to transfigure the bread and wine used in the ceremony into the Body and Blood of Christ, for those attending to consume. It is believed that ONLY Catholic priests have this ability, and that Protestant ministers who also perform this ceremony (aka the Breaking of the Bread) are only going through the motions, and that the congregation in attendance is only consuming plain old bread/wafers and juice/wine.

 

[Reaver197]

Quite disturbingly silly. People have even gotten death threats over the removal of these crackers from Catholic churches.

 

[KrazyGlue]

I think we can handle fun styled debates in the social thread. I think we can handle being social in the social thread. We're a community within a community, the "debaters" of SWF. I loved it when we got april fool'd on and our title description was changed to "likes to argue over the internet" lol! so true...

I do understand Krazy's POV, past transgressions of this nature would have been warned and threatened to lock the social thread. *shrug* I'm down if you're down. Though I think this thing with the pie was a debate-version of "I like pie" which is the internet way of saying "guys, relax, lets lighten up and talk about something else."

It's not that the subject matter is silly, it's that there's nothing to say other than "no apple pie is the best lol!" If legitimate evidence/stats/anything can be said, I'm all for it.

For the record, the idea of the social thread probably would have been rejected by CK, EE, and Zero had I told them we'd talk about pie. When I brought up the idea, it was pretty controversial. It almost got rejected, so I promised (and wrote the ruleset that stipulates) that all discussion should be productive/intelligent.

If the three current mods are ok with making it open to this kind of discussion, that's fine. Currently I'm just going off what the mods said when the social thread idea was brought up.