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In regards to this, I would love to hear as well from someone with the full game what exactly our options are for getting a used-up levin sword/tome into our hands. I can assume turn around and jab or dash attack at it, but do we have a short-hop air dodge grab? If we drop it in the air, can we catch it before it hits the ground with an aerial or z-catch?
The finisher on Robins Jab is not affected by the tome Robin is holding which means there is no dark or thunder version of his jab. I'm not completely sure what dictates a wind or fire finisher but I THINK its hold down A (wind) versus taping A (fire).
Other way around, look at Razieks moveset data thread fot more detailed info. Mash A fpr wind and press a once/hold a for fire.
You can, the tomes even reliably K.O. a Dark Pit at 110% (was found out by a guy that posted in the moveset-data thread). Which is why i asked whether or not one back"roll" would position Robin at the perfect spot to catch the tome, so you could in theory use last Arcfire->backroll->catch tossed tome->hit the guy possibly still caught in arcfire in the face with it.
You definitely have enough time to grab it out of the air.
Back-roll takes you too far.
Nope!
This is correct.
Definitely can.
Hm.. I swear i a robin going like literally just one "Robin model width" backwards with his... could it be that its cancelable? I'll try to find the video now.
Not well at all considering his grab range is poor.
Raziek
says it doesn't kill until around 200.Arcfire -> Arcthunder is definitely possible, I've seen it happen in a few matches. I guess the question just then comes down to whether or not you have enough time to get into grab/Nosferatu range. (Nosferatu is probably the easier of the two to land, based on what I've been hearing about Robin's grab range.)I'll move this here then.
So, Arcthunder has a very long hitstun, but it's slow. I know DI would possibly affect some things, but could a combo like Arcfire -> Arcthunder -> Nosferatu/Grab be possible? By the same token, at close range a chain like Arcfire -> Down-Smash seems plausible as a kill move. Using another move with far greater knockback would knock the opponent out of the Arcfire, correct? (Much like how being buried worked before) That aside, is B-Throw a viable kill move? It seems very strong in KB for a throw but @
Very good to know. Thanks!Arcfire -> Arcthunder is definitely possible, I've seen it happen in a few matches. I guess the question just then comes down to whether or not you have enough time to get into grab/Nosferatu range. (Nosferatu is probably the easier of the two to land, based on what I've been hearing about Robin's grab range.)
On Back Throw, I've seen it kill around 140% on ROB, who is a heavy weight. From the centre of the stage, no less.
That aside, is B-Throw a viable kill move? It seems very strong in KB for a throw but @
I went ahead and played some 'For Glory' 1v1's, and I've got to say I was surprised about how strong B-throw is. I don't know why I was getting such high numbers in training mode. I intend to edit the guide accordingly.Arcfire -> Arcthunder is definitely possible, I've seen it happen in a few matches. I guess the question just then comes down to whether or not you have enough time to get into grab/Nosferatu range. (Nosferatu is probably the easier of the two to land, based on what I've been hearing about Robin's grab range.)
On Back Throw, I've seen it kill around 140% on ROB, who is a heavy weight. From the centre of the stage, no less.
Yeah, that's a good point to bring up; Little Mac seriously scares me for Robin. Also, great to know B-throw is as strong as it seems. Why FD only for Little Mac though? Frankly, most non-banned stages don't have much variance or much that forces little mac to jump. Sure, Battlefield has platforms, but Up-B seems good enough to make the platforms less of an issue. Frankly I'm just scared of little mac (even though a B-throw at, like, 70% will murder him due to his garbage recovery.)
How long can they stay out once caught?
I meant, once you've caught one and thrown it, does it still poof early if you don't recatch or do they become normal throwing items after that point and stick around on the ground.
I'll move this here then.
So, Arcthunder has a very long hitstun, but it's slow. I know DI would possibly affect some things, but could a combo like Arcfire -> Arcthunder -> Nosferatu/Grab be possible? By the same token, at close range a chain like Arcfire -> Down-Smash seems plausible as a kill move. Using another move with far greater knockback would knock the opponent out of the Arcfire, correct? (Much like how being buried worked before) That aside, is B-Throw a viable kill move? It seems very strong in KB for a throw but @
Well, I am 99% sure that it is possible with Nosferatu 2. The range on it seems to be perfect to pull this combo off, And i think i saw someone follow up with a smash on Arcthunder, so close range followup on it is definitly possible, but the question is whether the range of Arcfire (if hit on maximum range i mean) allows for it with Nosferatu 1... My theory is its possible when doing it frame-perfect, like Arcfire->Dash Forward->Arcthunder->Dash forward->Nosferatu. With Nosferatu 3's hitbox/windbox it should also be doable. Also depends on how fast people can DI out of Arcfire, DI'ing out of Arcthunder doesn't seem possible.Arcfire -> Arcthunder is definitely possible, I've seen it happen in a few matches. I guess the question just then comes down to whether or not you have enough time to get into grab/Nosferatu range. (Nosferatu is probably the easier of the two to land, based on what I've been hearing about Robin's grab range.)
On Back Throw, I've seen it kill around 140% on ROB, who is a heavy weight. From the centre of the stage, no less.
ok, so they work like turnips then? I hope they poof on ground touch and not on enemy impact so you can recatch if you hit your opponent
Can you not b-reversal Elwind? Because in brawl the vast majority of specials could be reversed.
I buggered around with it a bit, and yes, it can be B-reversed, so you'd be fine to use fair as a low edge-guard if you want, but my main concern that I was pointing out is that if you have to recover from below the stage, you're in trouble unless you can face backwards and 'ride' the lip up.
That's not how it works - you mash A to do the wind variant (uses tome charges), or just do "a-a-a" to do the fire variant (uses tome charges).
You could PM Zipzo i guess.
Actually, I'd like a picture of the name of Nosferatu 3 if you don't mind, since that's the one I'm most interested in currently.
