thegreatkazoo
Smash Master
Speaking of Falcon matchups, would taking Falcon to PS be a good or a bad idea?
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Stage/Matchups Discussion Thread
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Most falcons I know like PS. It has lots of space to move around and the stage changes arent too bad for him against non spacies..
its a bad idea.. this is why... he can combo floaties in that stage really easy, it's something like if the platforms were so good positioned for him that he can use him however he wants in the neutral part of the stage.. and also he has a LOT of space for moving aroundl. also luigi doesnt have a good proyectile move, so its pretty hard to play secure.
i think its better playing on fd vs fastfallers because of the fact that like that they dont have a platform to scape from the luigi combos when luigi started..
i think its better playing on fd vs fastfallers because of the fact that like that they dont have a platform to scape from the luigi combos when luigi started..
thegreatkazoo
Smash Master
How about Yoshi's Island Story on a Falcon?
It's a relatively short stage, which means no grabs to get off (and probably no wheels of fortune unless you don't larn2di.)
The ceiling is a little on the short side, meaning easier kills.
As well, easier time for gimps with bair & dair.
Or I could be wrong. =\
It's a relatively short stage, which means no grabs to get off (and probably no wheels of fortune unless you don't larn2di.)
The ceiling is a little on the short side, meaning easier kills.
As well, easier time for gimps with bair & dair.
Or I could be wrong. =\
Lordydennek
Smash Ace
falcons tend to do good there as well. But if you feel comfortable there you can try it. the major problem is once you get hit you reallycant get away. Falcon will die on anystage if you have good edgegaurds. Id say BF is a better bet. and brinstar.
I like battlefield and FoD if you are lcky enough to be able to pick it.
Agreeeeed. I've come to the conclusion that FoD is fantastic for Luigi.
Also, I CP'd YS against Scar. Didn't turn out so great x_x.
Also, I CP'd YS against Scar. Didn't turn out so great x_x.
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
I've done the same thing with the same result lol. I didn't use weegee though, I probably should have.
1Frame_Dynamism :: Bamsey
Smash Cadet
I like every stage with Luigi, don't care who they use, I will win. 
LOL
Some of the annoying CP stages I can't do though. That's about it. None of them are TOO bad, but I use like 10 other characters so whoever I feel like it I can do.
Luigi is flexible.
LOL
Some of the annoying CP stages I can't do though. That's about it. None of them are TOO bad, but I use like 10 other characters so whoever I feel like it I can do.
Luigi is flexible.
dragnet4000
Smash Apprentice
Any advice for how to fight Doc/where to take him?
thegreatkazoo
Smash Master
I might ask Dogy his take on this.
Key word: Might. Busy couple of days for me, but I'll try my darndest.
Key word: Might. Busy couple of days for me, but I'll try my darndest.
weslo
Smash Apprentice
Well, Luigi and Doc kind of have the same strengths, they go relatively even on every stage. The main difference is recovery and his gay a$$ pillz, as you know Luigis recovery is okay, Docs sucks when recovering low, but if he's coming downwards shooting a gazilion pills outta his a$$ he's REALLY hard to edgeguard. Sooo I would say stay away(LOLZ DEY RHYME) from DL64. PS, YS, FoD are pretty even. And FD and imo BF are pretty good against him.
But idk, Pakman, SmashG0d, and Blea probably disagree.
But idk, Pakman, SmashG0d, and Blea probably disagree.
1Frame_Dynamism :: Bamsey
Smash Cadet
Get Doc off the ground.
The stage doesn't matter too much in this match up. Just how you're playing/recovering/etc
Neither character has much on the other, use what you have and Doc will use what he has to try and beat it. :\
AKA Speed, Range, Bigger hits
The stage doesn't matter too much in this match up. Just how you're playing/recovering/etc
Neither character has much on the other, use what you have and Doc will use what he has to try and beat it. :\
AKA Speed, Range, Bigger hits
dragnet4000
Smash Apprentice
Thanks
Another query...
What do I do with a Marth, as I have no way in Hades to do anything?
Once I get off the edge, how do I get around his edgeguarding?
Unless there is no safe way to get him away from the edge.
Another query...
What do I do with a Marth, as I have no way in Hades to do anything?
Once I get off the edge, how do I get around his edgeguarding?
Unless there is no safe way to get him away from the edge.
Wow, why did this thread die?
I think we need a full-on Luigi matchups thread. Some sort of database.
I'm reviving this thread so we can discuss here, or let it die if Pakman thinks it should.
Anyone interested in MU/Stage stickies? They do a lot of that in Brawl character discussion forums, and they're pretty rich wells of information.
I think we need a full-on Luigi matchups thread. Some sort of database.
I'm reviving this thread so we can discuss here, or let it die if Pakman thinks it should.
Anyone interested in MU/Stage stickies? They do a lot of that in Brawl character discussion forums, and they're pretty rich wells of information.
Winston
Smash Master
I think it'd be great except the people whose opinions hold weight don't post...
You, me, Vist, Vudu, Wazoo, etc. all post. And sometimes Pakman. I'm sure we can get SOMETHING out of that.
I'll see if I can get Ka-M and blea gelo to add their thoughts, too.
****, I got their phone numbers but it's in my other phone. I'll have to turn that on when I get home.
EDIT: I wrote on Ka-M's wall on FB, but I don't know how often he checks it. @__@
I'll see if I can get Ka-M and blea gelo to add their thoughts, too.
****, I got their phone numbers but it's in my other phone. I'll have to turn that on when I get home.
EDIT: I wrote on Ka-M's wall on FB, but I don't know how often he checks it. @__@
Winston
Smash Master
Yeah you're right, I'm being too negative. I'm up for it. Let's goooo
I just tend to disagree with everyone on everything ><
I just tend to disagree with everyone on everything ><
GOOD
that makes for good discussion
>:D
that makes for good discussion
>:D
Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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Winston thinks FD is a terrible stage vs. Falcon, which I agree with.
FD is huge. Falcon likes running back. Huge stage = more running back...bleh
Nair -> Knee is Falcon's main combo if they know what they're doing. Sometimes on platform stages you can DI into a platform and hope to tech out of it. FD gives you no such luxury.
They both edgeguard each other extremely well so the lack of platforms to aid recovery doesn't benefit anyone in particular
Yoshi's is a good stage ... Luigi gets to anywhere at any time and gives Falcon a LOT less room to run back on.
Vs. Fox I think you really have to counterpick based on how they play. If they're like, hardcore camping you take them to a smaller stage, if they're super aggro all the time you might want like, Dreamland.
I don't think I'd recommend Dreamland if they're not exhibiting a style that leans one way or the other though. Fox can just run circles around Luigi the entire match camping Bairs ...
FD is huge. Falcon likes running back. Huge stage = more running back...bleh
Nair -> Knee is Falcon's main combo if they know what they're doing. Sometimes on platform stages you can DI into a platform and hope to tech out of it. FD gives you no such luxury.
They both edgeguard each other extremely well so the lack of platforms to aid recovery doesn't benefit anyone in particular
Yoshi's is a good stage ... Luigi gets to anywhere at any time and gives Falcon a LOT less room to run back on.
Vs. Fox I think you really have to counterpick based on how they play. If they're like, hardcore camping you take them to a smaller stage, if they're super aggro all the time you might want like, Dreamland.
I don't think I'd recommend Dreamland if they're not exhibiting a style that leans one way or the other though. Fox can just run circles around Luigi the entire match camping Bairs ...
Agreed @ FD being bad vs Falcon.
I think Yoshi's would be good too... til I CP'd Scar there. Sigh. You CAN'T recover. Scarjump'd Uairs are too good for Luigi to get back. x/
Vs Fox I like Dreamland PS. Some argue PS is bad vs Fox, but imo you get a lot of room to work with and you're faster at traveling around the stage than Fox is.
Actually Fountain of Dreams isn't a bad choice, either. Kill Fox early on the sides and he barely has any space to work with. The platforms give Luigi some great combos/pressure (Bair/Nair on a platform to drop through Bair/Nair).
I think Yoshi's would be good too... til I CP'd Scar there. Sigh. You CAN'T recover. Scarjump'd Uairs are too good for Luigi to get back. x/
Vs Fox I like Dreamland PS. Some argue PS is bad vs Fox, but imo you get a lot of room to work with and you're faster at traveling around the stage than Fox is.
Actually Fountain of Dreams isn't a bad choice, either. Kill Fox early on the sides and he barely has any space to work with. The platforms give Luigi some great combos/pressure (Bair/Nair on a platform to drop through Bair/Nair).
Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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It's not like you should be expecting to make it back anyways vs Falcon ... despite the random shy guy cloud ****** your missile shenanigans you can sometimes make it back to the cloud when you couldn't otherwise, but I feel like anyone good at edgeguarding Luigi will go out there and **** you regardless of what stage you're on .... his recovery is just too easily exploitable so I don't think recovery should be that big of a factor unless the stage is specifically limiting your options, which I don't think Yoshi's Story does (I think Randall cancels out random shy guy shenanigans)
Also Uairs generally don't kill you ... if they Uair you with good DI you should probably be gaining height .... I always try to edgeguard Luigi with Knee. Sweetspot knee kills, weak knee often leads into a Uair. It's like a win-win
O and at low %s knee just combos into itself
PS seems like a terrible idea <_< I don't think Luigi uses space better than Fox does, although I guess Fox loses the top platform to avoid you on ... still don't think the lower ceiling will do you any good though ~_~
Also I think the transformations are like 10x better for Fox
I think counterpicking Fox is pretty style based anyways. I.e. you say you like Dreamland vs. Fox, but if he's hardcore camping you I don't think you'd want to give him that much room to run around on
I find that I'm liking platforms more and more when I want techchases, but this is my Falcon talking
You can shark a lot of platforms with Fair / double jump aerials though
Also Uairs generally don't kill you ... if they Uair you with good DI you should probably be gaining height .... I always try to edgeguard Luigi with Knee. Sweetspot knee kills, weak knee often leads into a Uair. It's like a win-win
O and at low %s knee just combos into itself
PS seems like a terrible idea <_< I don't think Luigi uses space better than Fox does, although I guess Fox loses the top platform to avoid you on ... still don't think the lower ceiling will do you any good though ~_~
Also I think the transformations are like 10x better for Fox
I think counterpicking Fox is pretty style based anyways. I.e. you say you like Dreamland vs. Fox, but if he's hardcore camping you I don't think you'd want to give him that much room to run around on
I find that I'm liking platforms more and more when I want techchases, but this is my Falcon talking
You can shark a lot of platforms with Fair / double jump aerials though
Winston
Smash Master
I used to be pretty sure of this stuff but I keep playing different styles of Falcons that make me rethink things. Still, this is what I've got as of now.
vs Falcon:
Yoshi's, FoD are the best stages in general. Falcon has better mobility than Luigi. You have weaker KOing moves (not counting up b) so you need to knock him off the stage ASAP. On FD or dreamland your guaranteed combo setups to fair/dair won't necessarily knock him off, but Falcon can just continue comboing you sideways so it doesn't apply to him.
Battlefield should be basically neutral. I always seem to do poorly here but I don't think that's the stage's fault.
Dreamland I don't mind playing on because there are still platforms and it's just a comfortable stage in general, even though it benefits Falcon more. I don't mind striking to this game 1. I could see preferring DL to YS or FoD vs some types of falcons.
FD is just bad imo. If falcon is DIing away from your combos, you'd rather have him land on a platform so you continue to techchase rather than him just being able to jump out. Nair -> knee -> knee and similar variants work better here. Tons of space. You can get trapped in the air even if they don't finish the combo and it's easy for Falcon to just uair from below. (Platforms make this slightly better).
vs. Fox:
I don't know anything about this matchup LOL
what Wenbo said though, if they want to camp you I don't think you want to give them Dreamland (i.e. stage with highest platform, and Luigi has really crappy vertical speed.)
If they don't feel comfortable pressuring you then Yoshi's is great, but it's pretty bad if they just want to nair shine you. Too easy to get shinespiked.
I think FD is good provided that you're very confident with your combos. Preferably chaingrabbing.
vs Falcon:
Yoshi's, FoD are the best stages in general. Falcon has better mobility than Luigi. You have weaker KOing moves (not counting up b) so you need to knock him off the stage ASAP. On FD or dreamland your guaranteed combo setups to fair/dair won't necessarily knock him off, but Falcon can just continue comboing you sideways so it doesn't apply to him.
Battlefield should be basically neutral. I always seem to do poorly here but I don't think that's the stage's fault.
Dreamland I don't mind playing on because there are still platforms and it's just a comfortable stage in general, even though it benefits Falcon more. I don't mind striking to this game 1. I could see preferring DL to YS or FoD vs some types of falcons.
FD is just bad imo. If falcon is DIing away from your combos, you'd rather have him land on a platform so you continue to techchase rather than him just being able to jump out. Nair -> knee -> knee and similar variants work better here. Tons of space. You can get trapped in the air even if they don't finish the combo and it's easy for Falcon to just uair from below. (Platforms make this slightly better).
vs. Fox:
I don't know anything about this matchup LOL
what Wenbo said though, if they want to camp you I don't think you want to give them Dreamland (i.e. stage with highest platform, and Luigi has really crappy vertical speed.)
If they don't feel comfortable pressuring you then Yoshi's is great, but it's pretty bad if they just want to nair shine you. Too easy to get shinespiked.
I think FD is good provided that you're very confident with your combos. Preferably chaingrabbing.
Vist
Smash Champion
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
too lazy
too lazy
Winston
Smash Master
I disagree
New thread for a fresh start and better organization: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=10955857#post10955857