RapeFalcon
Smash Apprentice
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I want to make a list on Stage advantages and disadvantages for Falcon against a specific character. Starting from the top of the current Tier list, going down.
To clear things up, counterpicking doesn't mean that you have advantage over who your matched up against. Example: Falcon vs Falco, falcon has a slight disadvantage mainly because of the lasers. Taking Falco to PokeFloats makes it harder for him to approach with just SHL, move around, and combo you. But it doesn't mean you have advantage over him character wise, just that you took him to a stage he's not good at and falcon is. IMO in most cases its better to go to a stage you play best at.
The advantage from counterpicking is just taking an opponent to a stage they are not good at, or a stage that you play at best against someone.
Out of the Legal singles stages:
1. BattleField
2. Final Destination
3. DreamLand 64
4. Pokemon Stadium
5. Yoshi's Story
6. Fountain Of Dreams
7. Rainbow Cruise
8. Kongo Jungle (DK64)
9. Jungle Japes
10. Green Greens
11. Corneria
12. Brinstar
13. Mute City
14. PokeFloats
15. Onett
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Fox
Top Tier: DK64, Dreamland 64
Upper Tier: FD, PokeFloats, Yoshi's Story
Middle Tier: Pokemon Stadium
Lower Tier: FoD, Jungle Japes, Rainbow Cruise, BattleField, Brinstar
Bottom Tier: Onett, Corneria, Green Greens, Mute City
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Falco
Top Tier: PokeFloats
Upper Tier: DK64, Yoshi's Story
Middle Tier: Pokemon Stadium, Dreamland 64, Onett
Lower Tier: Rainbow Cruise, Mute City, Brinstar, BattleField
Bottom Tier: FoD, Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Corneria, FD
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Sheik
Top Tier: none
Upper Tier: PokeFloats, DK64
Middle Tier: FD, Dreamland 64, Pokemon Stadium
Lower Tier: Jungle Japes, FoD, Rainbow Cruise, Corneria
Bottom Tier: BattleField, Brinstar, Green Greens, Mute City, Onett
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Marth
Top Tier: Dreamland 64, DK64
Upper Tier: FD, PokeFloats
Middle Tier: Pokemon Stadium, Brinstar, Battlefield
Lower Tier: Yoshi's Story, Corneria, Rainbow Cruise, Onett
Bottom Tier: FoD, Green Greens, Jungle Japes, Mute City
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Peach
Top Tier: PokeFloats, Rainbow Cruise
Upper Tier: Yoshi's Story, DK64, Pokemon Stadium
Middle Tier: BattleField, FD, Jungle Japes
Lower Tier: Corneria, Dreamland 64, Brinstar
Bottom Tier: FoD Mute City, Green Greens, Onett
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Ice Climbers
Top Tier: PokeFloats, Rainbow Cruise
Upper Tier: Dreamland 64, DK64, Yoshi's Story
Middle Tier: Pokemon Stadium, Jungle Japes, Battlefield
Lower Tier: Corneria, FoD, Brinstar
Bottom Tier: FD, Green Greens, Onett, Mute City
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Samus
Top Tier: DK64, PokeFloats, Yoshi's Story
Upper Tier: FD, Rainbow Cruise
Middle Tier: Corneria, FoD, Pokemon Stadium
Lower Tier: Dreamland 64, BattleField, Brinstar
Bottom Tier: Green Greens, Onett, Jungle Japes, Mute City
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Doctor Mario
Top Tier: PokeFloats, DK64
Upper Tier: Yoshi's Story, Pokemon Stadium, Rainbow Cruise
Middle Tier: FoD, Dreamland 64, Corneria, Brinstar
Lower Tier: Mute City, Jungle Japes
Bottom Tier: FD, BattleField, Green Greens, Onett
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Jigglypuff
Top Tier: Yoshi's Story, PokeFloats, Rainbow Cruise
Upper Tier: DK64, Pokemon Stadium
Middle Tier: Battlefield, FD, Corneria
Lower Tier: Brinstar, FoD, Dreamland 64
Bottom Tier: Mute City, Green Greens, Onett, Jungle Japes
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Mario
Top Tier: PokeFloats, DK64
Upper Tier: Yoshi's Story, Pokemon Stadium, Rainbow Cruise
Middle Tier: FoD, Dreamland 64, Corneria, Brinstar
Lower Tier: Mute City, Jungle Japes
Bottom Tier: FD, BattleField, Green Greens, Onett
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Ganondorf
Top Tier: FD, PokeFloats, DK64
Upper Tier: Dreamland 64, Rainbow Cruise
Middle Tier: Corneria, Brinstar, Pokemon Stadium
Lower Tier: FoD, Green Greens, BattleField
Bottom Tier: Mute City,Yoshi's Story, Jungle Japes, Onett
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Link
Top Tier: DK64, PokeFloats, Rainbow Cruise
Upper Tier: FD, Dreamland 64
Middle Tier: Pokemon Stadium, Yoshi's Story
Lower Tier: Corneria, Brinstar, BattleField
Bottom Tier: FoD, Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett, Mute City
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Luigi
Top Tier: Yoshi's Story
Upper Tier: DK64, Dreamland 64, Jungle Japes
Middle Tier: Pokemon Stadium, FD, Corneria, PokeFloats, Rainbow Cruise
Lower Tier: Mute City, FoD, BattleField
Bottom Tier: Green Greens, Onett
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Donkey Kong
Top Tier: PokeFloats, Rainbow Cruise, DK64
Upper Tier: Dreamland 64
Middle Tier: Pokemon Stadium, Yoshi's Story
Lower Tier: FD, Corneria, FoD, Jungle Japes
Bottom Tier: BattleField, Brinstar, Green Greens, Onett, Mute City
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Roy
Top Tier: Dreamland 64, DK64, PokeFloats, FD
Upper Tier: Pokemon Stadium, Rainbow Cruise
Middle Tier: Brinstar, Corneria
Lower Tier: Yoshi's Story, FoD
Bottom Tier: Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett, Mute City, BattleField
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Young Link
Top Tier: DK64, PokeFloats
Upper Tier: FD, Dreamland 64, Yoshi's Story, Rainbow Cruise
Middle Tier: Battlefield, Pokemon Stadium
Lower Tier: Corneria, FoD, Mute City, Brinstar
Bottom Tier: Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett
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Pikachu
Top Tier: Dreamland 64
Upper Tier: PokeFloats, Yoshi's Story, DK64
Middle Tier: Pokemon Stadium, FoD, Brinstar, FD, Rainbow Cruise
Lower Tier: Corneria, BattleField
Bottom Tier: Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett, Mute City
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Yoshi
Top Tier: Yoshi's Story, Pokefloats
Upper Tier: FD, Dreamland 64, Brinstar, DK64, Rainbow Cruise, Battlefiled
Middle Tier: Mute City, Pokemon Stadium, FoD
Lower Tier: Corneria
Bottom Tier: Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett
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Zelda
Top Tier: Pokefloats, Yoshi's Story, Rainbow Cruise
Upper Tier: FoD, Brinstar, DK64, FD
Middle Tier: BattleField, Pokemon Stadium, Mute City
Lower Tier: Corneria, Dreamland 64
Bottom Tier: Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett
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Mr. Game & Watch
Top Tier: Yoshi's Story, PokeFloats, DK64
Upper Tier: FD, Pokemon Stadium, Rainbow Cruise, Dreamland 64
Middle Tier: FoD, Battlefield, Brinstar
Lower Tier: Corneria, Mute City
Bottom Tier: Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett
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Ness
Top Tier: Yoshi's Story, PokeFloats, FD
Upper Tier: DK64, Brinstar, Pokemon Stadium, Rainbow Cruise, Dreamland 64
Middle Tier: Battlefield, Mute City, FoD
Lower Tier: Corneria
Bottom Tier: Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett
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Bowser
Top Tier: PokeFloats, Rainbow Cruise
Upper Tier: DK64, FD, Pokemon Stadium, Dreamland 64
Middle Tier: Brinstar,
Lower Tier: Corneria, Yoshi's Story, FoD, BattleField
Bottom Tier: Mute City, Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett
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Kirby
Top Tier: Yoshi's Story, PokeFloats, DK64
Upper Tier: Battlefield, FD, Rainbow Cruise, Pokemon Stadium, Onett
Middle Tier: Dreamlamd 64, FoD, Brinstar
Lower Tier: Corneria, Mute City
Bottom Tier: Jungle Japes, Green Greens
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Pichu
Top Tier: Dreamland 64, Yoshi's Story, PokeFloats
Upper Tier: DK64
Middle Tier: Pokemon Stadium, FoD, Brinstar, FD, Rainbow Cruise
Lower Tier: Corneria, BattleField
Bottom Tier: Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett, Mute City
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Mewtwo
Top Tier: Yoshi's Story, PokeFloats, DK64
Upper Tier: Dreamland 64, Jungle Japes, Rainbow Cruise
Middle Tier: Battlefield, FoD, Mute City, Pokemon Stadium
Lower Tier: Brinstar, FD
Bottom Tier: Green Greens, Onett, Corneria
To clear things up, counterpicking doesn't mean that you have advantage over who your matched up against. Example: Falcon vs Falco, falcon has a slight disadvantage mainly because of the lasers. Taking Falco to PokeFloats makes it harder for him to approach with just SHL, move around, and combo you. But it doesn't mean you have advantage over him character wise, just that you took him to a stage he's not good at and falcon is. IMO in most cases its better to go to a stage you play best at.
The advantage from counterpicking is just taking an opponent to a stage they are not good at, or a stage that you play at best against someone.
Out of the Legal singles stages:
1. BattleField
2. Final Destination
3. DreamLand 64
4. Pokemon Stadium
5. Yoshi's Story
6. Fountain Of Dreams
7. Rainbow Cruise
8. Kongo Jungle (DK64)
9. Jungle Japes
10. Green Greens
11. Corneria
12. Brinstar
13. Mute City
14. PokeFloats
15. Onett
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Fox
Top Tier: DK64, Dreamland 64
Upper Tier: FD, PokeFloats, Yoshi's Story
Middle Tier: Pokemon Stadium
Lower Tier: FoD, Jungle Japes, Rainbow Cruise, BattleField, Brinstar
Bottom Tier: Onett, Corneria, Green Greens, Mute City
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Falco
Top Tier: PokeFloats
Upper Tier: DK64, Yoshi's Story
Middle Tier: Pokemon Stadium, Dreamland 64, Onett
Lower Tier: Rainbow Cruise, Mute City, Brinstar, BattleField
Bottom Tier: FoD, Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Corneria, FD
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Sheik
Top Tier: none
Upper Tier: PokeFloats, DK64
Middle Tier: FD, Dreamland 64, Pokemon Stadium
Lower Tier: Jungle Japes, FoD, Rainbow Cruise, Corneria
Bottom Tier: BattleField, Brinstar, Green Greens, Mute City, Onett
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Marth
Top Tier: Dreamland 64, DK64
Upper Tier: FD, PokeFloats
Middle Tier: Pokemon Stadium, Brinstar, Battlefield
Lower Tier: Yoshi's Story, Corneria, Rainbow Cruise, Onett
Bottom Tier: FoD, Green Greens, Jungle Japes, Mute City
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Peach
Top Tier: PokeFloats, Rainbow Cruise
Upper Tier: Yoshi's Story, DK64, Pokemon Stadium
Middle Tier: BattleField, FD, Jungle Japes
Lower Tier: Corneria, Dreamland 64, Brinstar
Bottom Tier: FoD Mute City, Green Greens, Onett
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Ice Climbers
Top Tier: PokeFloats, Rainbow Cruise
Upper Tier: Dreamland 64, DK64, Yoshi's Story
Middle Tier: Pokemon Stadium, Jungle Japes, Battlefield
Lower Tier: Corneria, FoD, Brinstar
Bottom Tier: FD, Green Greens, Onett, Mute City
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Samus
Top Tier: DK64, PokeFloats, Yoshi's Story
Upper Tier: FD, Rainbow Cruise
Middle Tier: Corneria, FoD, Pokemon Stadium
Lower Tier: Dreamland 64, BattleField, Brinstar
Bottom Tier: Green Greens, Onett, Jungle Japes, Mute City
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Doctor Mario
Top Tier: PokeFloats, DK64
Upper Tier: Yoshi's Story, Pokemon Stadium, Rainbow Cruise
Middle Tier: FoD, Dreamland 64, Corneria, Brinstar
Lower Tier: Mute City, Jungle Japes
Bottom Tier: FD, BattleField, Green Greens, Onett
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Jigglypuff
Top Tier: Yoshi's Story, PokeFloats, Rainbow Cruise
Upper Tier: DK64, Pokemon Stadium
Middle Tier: Battlefield, FD, Corneria
Lower Tier: Brinstar, FoD, Dreamland 64
Bottom Tier: Mute City, Green Greens, Onett, Jungle Japes
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Mario
Top Tier: PokeFloats, DK64
Upper Tier: Yoshi's Story, Pokemon Stadium, Rainbow Cruise
Middle Tier: FoD, Dreamland 64, Corneria, Brinstar
Lower Tier: Mute City, Jungle Japes
Bottom Tier: FD, BattleField, Green Greens, Onett
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Ganondorf
Top Tier: FD, PokeFloats, DK64
Upper Tier: Dreamland 64, Rainbow Cruise
Middle Tier: Corneria, Brinstar, Pokemon Stadium
Lower Tier: FoD, Green Greens, BattleField
Bottom Tier: Mute City,Yoshi's Story, Jungle Japes, Onett
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Link
Top Tier: DK64, PokeFloats, Rainbow Cruise
Upper Tier: FD, Dreamland 64
Middle Tier: Pokemon Stadium, Yoshi's Story
Lower Tier: Corneria, Brinstar, BattleField
Bottom Tier: FoD, Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett, Mute City
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Luigi
Top Tier: Yoshi's Story
Upper Tier: DK64, Dreamland 64, Jungle Japes
Middle Tier: Pokemon Stadium, FD, Corneria, PokeFloats, Rainbow Cruise
Lower Tier: Mute City, FoD, BattleField
Bottom Tier: Green Greens, Onett
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Donkey Kong
Top Tier: PokeFloats, Rainbow Cruise, DK64
Upper Tier: Dreamland 64
Middle Tier: Pokemon Stadium, Yoshi's Story
Lower Tier: FD, Corneria, FoD, Jungle Japes
Bottom Tier: BattleField, Brinstar, Green Greens, Onett, Mute City
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Roy
Top Tier: Dreamland 64, DK64, PokeFloats, FD
Upper Tier: Pokemon Stadium, Rainbow Cruise
Middle Tier: Brinstar, Corneria
Lower Tier: Yoshi's Story, FoD
Bottom Tier: Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett, Mute City, BattleField
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Young Link
Top Tier: DK64, PokeFloats
Upper Tier: FD, Dreamland 64, Yoshi's Story, Rainbow Cruise
Middle Tier: Battlefield, Pokemon Stadium
Lower Tier: Corneria, FoD, Mute City, Brinstar
Bottom Tier: Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett
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Pikachu
Top Tier: Dreamland 64
Upper Tier: PokeFloats, Yoshi's Story, DK64
Middle Tier: Pokemon Stadium, FoD, Brinstar, FD, Rainbow Cruise
Lower Tier: Corneria, BattleField
Bottom Tier: Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett, Mute City
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Yoshi
Top Tier: Yoshi's Story, Pokefloats
Upper Tier: FD, Dreamland 64, Brinstar, DK64, Rainbow Cruise, Battlefiled
Middle Tier: Mute City, Pokemon Stadium, FoD
Lower Tier: Corneria
Bottom Tier: Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett
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Zelda
Top Tier: Pokefloats, Yoshi's Story, Rainbow Cruise
Upper Tier: FoD, Brinstar, DK64, FD
Middle Tier: BattleField, Pokemon Stadium, Mute City
Lower Tier: Corneria, Dreamland 64
Bottom Tier: Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett
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Mr. Game & Watch
Top Tier: Yoshi's Story, PokeFloats, DK64
Upper Tier: FD, Pokemon Stadium, Rainbow Cruise, Dreamland 64
Middle Tier: FoD, Battlefield, Brinstar
Lower Tier: Corneria, Mute City
Bottom Tier: Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett
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Ness
Top Tier: Yoshi's Story, PokeFloats, FD
Upper Tier: DK64, Brinstar, Pokemon Stadium, Rainbow Cruise, Dreamland 64
Middle Tier: Battlefield, Mute City, FoD
Lower Tier: Corneria
Bottom Tier: Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett
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Bowser
Top Tier: PokeFloats, Rainbow Cruise
Upper Tier: DK64, FD, Pokemon Stadium, Dreamland 64
Middle Tier: Brinstar,
Lower Tier: Corneria, Yoshi's Story, FoD, BattleField
Bottom Tier: Mute City, Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett
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Kirby
Top Tier: Yoshi's Story, PokeFloats, DK64
Upper Tier: Battlefield, FD, Rainbow Cruise, Pokemon Stadium, Onett
Middle Tier: Dreamlamd 64, FoD, Brinstar
Lower Tier: Corneria, Mute City
Bottom Tier: Jungle Japes, Green Greens
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Pichu
Top Tier: Dreamland 64, Yoshi's Story, PokeFloats
Upper Tier: DK64
Middle Tier: Pokemon Stadium, FoD, Brinstar, FD, Rainbow Cruise
Lower Tier: Corneria, BattleField
Bottom Tier: Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Onett, Mute City
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Mewtwo
Top Tier: Yoshi's Story, PokeFloats, DK64
Upper Tier: Dreamland 64, Jungle Japes, Rainbow Cruise
Middle Tier: Battlefield, FoD, Mute City, Pokemon Stadium
Lower Tier: Brinstar, FD
Bottom Tier: Green Greens, Onett, Corneria