Sonic's Luigi: Miles Tails Prower

[PsychoIncarnate]

Tails definitely is not one of my favorite Sonic characters.

I would rather have Metal Sonic or Knuckles playable

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Tails definitely is not one of my favorite Sonic characters.

Heathen....

 

[Deleted member]

Tails isn't mine either.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Tails isn't mine either.

I'm gonna have to convert you all.

 

[Deleted member]

If anything, you need to be converted to Robotnikism.
You know what they say, THE MORE THE MERRIER.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

If anything, you need to be converted to Robotnikism.
You know what they say, THE MORE THE MERRIER.

Curse you Golden! Not only do you ruin my religions but my jokes as well. I work hard of them!
(10 points if you know where that's from)

Also, who's this Robotnick guy? I only know EGGMAN.

 

[Deleted member]

I know him as Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik.
He's Dr. Robotnik; he's Dr. Eggman; he's both.
I just typically refer to him as Eggman because that's his nickname like Tails being his nickname.

That, and because I refer to AoStH Dr. Robotnik as Robotnik....because PINGAS.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I know him as Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik.
He's Dr. Robotnik; he's Dr. Eggman; he's both.
I just typically refer to him as Eggman because that's his nickname like Tails being his nickname.

That, and because I refer to AoStH Dr. Robotnik as Robotnik....because PINGAS.

Not sure if you knew I was joking.

 

[3Bismyname]

u known what smash bros needs. JET THE HAWK!!!!

 

[Deleted member]

Not sure if you knew I was joking.

I knew that.

But it is the Rrrrrrrobotnik way to discuss about Rrrrrrrobotnik!

 

[AEMehr]

So I can easily see Tails or Eggman being the next Sega character making it into Smash.

 

[volbound1700]

I know that in a few of the modern games, Tails uses fake, explosive rings when he's outside of his mech. This could also be an option for Tails, maybe as a a Down-Special.
Also, why would Tails be faster than Sonic? That seems odd, considering speed is Sonic's main trait in the series. I think it would make more sense to have Tails slightly slower than Sonic.

I never said Tails would be faster than Sonic, to me he should be about as fast as Captain Falcon. However, he should be a fast flyer since he can match Sonic's speed while in flight.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I never said Tails would be faster than Sonic, to me he should be about as fast as Captain Falcon. However, he should be a fast flyer since he can match Sonic's speed while in flight.

Sonic is faster than Captain Falcon. There is no competition.

Tails could be fast in the air and be an aerial master.

 

[volbound1700]

Sonic is faster than Captain Falcon. There is no competition.

Tails could be fast in the air and be an aerial master.

I agree about Tails being faster in the air but I think the aerial masters should be Kirby and Jiggs because they have more moves to use in the air. However, speed is a huge part of Smash and people would prefer a fast Tails even with weaker moves in aerial combat.

 

[CalumG]

My issue with Tails is that it'd be very difficult to include him and stay true to his character without making him overpowered. After all, at heart he's basically a slightly slower (but still very fast) Sonic with outrageously good aerial abilities. Sure, they differentiated him a bit after the original Sonic Adventure, but in the 2D titles - especially Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Sonic Advance, Sonic Chaos, Sonic 4 and Sonic Triple Trouble - he was effectively better than Sonic in every single way. They could give him some techie stuff to make him stand out from other characters, but if we're talking about a character with good aerial game and lots of technology-based moves, who else but Eggman?

(cue me copypasta-ing from the Sonic reps thread)

I'm gonna have to agree with the people who suggest Eggman as a character. I mean, if you think about it, isn't he the second most reoccurring character of the whole series? Aside from Sonic and the Black Knight, I can't physically think of a Sonic game that Eggman does not appear in.

This Brawl hack shows that he is not too big for the game in any sense, especially at normal height. Then of course, they could go the route of having him fight in a very compact mech, probably no taller than himself, a la Sonic The Fighters:

In fact, as people in the thread have discussed, I wouldn't actually mind Eggman being in an upgraded version of this very mech, but in a Modern Sonic style, with design features borrowed/upgraded from both the Egg Walker (see here) and the Egg-Robo (see here), topped off with a Metal Sonic-style propulsion system installed in the back of it. Most of his physical moves would be ripped straight from Fighters, and his specials would include, among other things: Egg-Robo's Beam Gun, a very good up B, and maybe the ability to spawn Badniks (Dedede style).

As far as little visual details go, he should be wearing his new attire but his mech should have the classic Eggman look adorned onto it, with the upside-down yellow triangles on a red base colour. He'd have to have an Eggman Nega alt colour scheme, obviously.

Aside from having a wealth of moves borrowed from other mechs though, Eggman's main redeeming feature should be his incredible aerial game for such a slow and heavy character. He should have multiple jumps using his mech's jet, a glide ability (to 'hover' across the stage, in a very classic sense), and a very promising recovery move.

The Smash team love their little details, so you know they'd pour a lot of love and care into a new, custom Eggman mech that represents the series as a whole.

But on the basis that Tails is indeed "Sonic's Luigi", so to speak, I guess we'd probably get Tails first. After all, they do seem to love putting in sidekicks (Luigi, Diddy Kong, etc.) before villains when it's viable to. That's assuming we even get a second Sonic rep though (or that Sonic even returns at all!).

 

[volbound1700]

Metaknight is already overpowered so yes there is a chance Tails could be like Metaknight and have similar abilities. However, if they weaken his KOs like Sonic, he wouldn't be overpowered (which will likely be the case, he will have speed but no strong KOs).

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

That'd be stupid. If anyone should be overpowered it should be Metal Sonic

 

[volbound1700]

Pyscho, you know Smash doesn't follow actually logic on how strong a character is after all if we ran it correctly, Ganondorf and Metwo should have owned everyone.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Pyscho, you know Smash doesn't follow actually logic on how strong a character is after all if we ran it correctly, Ganondorf and Metwo should have owned everyone.

He was making a joke sir.

 

[Fastblade5035]

If I actually thought Tails had a decent chance, I'd wholeheartedly and completely support one of my all time favorite fictional characters.
I'll make a move set sometime, for sure.

 

[CalumG]

Now obviously, I ain't saying that Tails would be overpowered by nature, because as Volbound has said, Ganondorf and Mewtwo go against all conventional logic as some of the worst Smash characters in terms of balance. Perhaps its because I was raised on the old Sonic games but in my head I find it difficult to see Tails and Knuckles as anything but Sonic clones with a couple of tweaked stats and far superior aerial abilities. That's probably just me, I guess. xD

 

[Fastblade5035]

Now obviously, I ain't saying that Tails would be overpowered by nature, because as Volbound has said, Ganondorf and Mewtwo go against all conventional logic as some of the worst Smash characters in terms of balance. Perhaps its because I was raised on the old Sonic games but in my head I find it difficult to see Tails and Knuckles as anything but Sonic clones with a couple of tweaked stats and far superior aerial abilities. That's probably just me, I guess. xD

You, sir, need more creativity. Tails could use his energy shooter, TAILS, heck, even the tornado in a way. That's like saying Luigi, Peach, and Toad will all be Mario clones because they all play similarly in Mario games.

I'm gonna have to convert you all.

We'll bring forth a new Smash religion: Tailism. Just watch, soon 4chan and newbies here will breath it! Let's save these heathens!

 

[Ruthy]

Tails has no reason to be in any Smash Bros. Game. Sonic in Brawl was already enough and I rather have more famous Nintendo characters rather than 3rd Party ones before Smash becomes less of a Nintendo fighter and more of a "HEY WE GOT SOME RANDOM THIRD PARTY CHARACTER OH AND THAT MARIO GUY IS HERE TOO I GUESS" game.

 

[CalumG]

You, sir, need more creativity. Tails could use his energy shooter, TAILS, heck, even the tornado in a way. That's like saying Luigi, Peach, and Toad will all be Mario clones because they all play similarly in Mario games.

I know most Sonic source material well enough to come up with a 'decent' Tails moveset in 5 minutes flat, but I've never been big on the role Tails has taken since SA2 onwards (the tech geek who doesn't get nearly as involved as he used to), and if any character were to get in from the Sonic franchise with good aerial game and lots of technology-based moves, I'd just prefer it to be Eggman. As someone who was raised on the classics, it irks me to see what they've done with Tails and Knuckles. Hell, I was a bit miffed when the original Sonic Adventure came out because Tails couldn't spindash - he had physically lost a move in the transition from 2D to 3D when he was traditionally very similar to Sonic in playstyle.

Again, don't chalk it up to lack of creativity so much as me (perhaps wrongly) being a bit of a Sonic purist. In my head, both Knuckles and Tails have near-identical abilities to Sonic gameplay-wise, even if canonically that's never been the case. Tails could probably be an amazing character, but I just get the feeling that I wouldn't be happy with however they designed him. Guess I'm just nitpicky like that. I suppose if he was a Luigi-fied clone (as the thread title suggests) I'd be happy with it, because I kinda expect him to have the Spindash in some form (but obviously he'd had a different Recovery and cannot do the homing attack).

 

[Fastblade5035]

I know most Sonic source material well enough to come up with a 'decent' Tails moveset in 5 minutes flat, but I've never been big on the role Tails has taken since SA2 onwards (the tech geek who doesn't get nearly as involved as he used to), and if any character were to get in from the Sonic franchise with good aerial game and lots of technology-based moves, I'd just prefer it to be Eggman. As someone who was raised on the classics, it irks me to see what they've done with Tails and Knuckles. Hell, I was a bit miffed when the original Sonic Adventure came out because Tails couldn't spindash - he had physically lost a move in the transition from 2D to 3D when he was traditionally very similar to Sonic in playstyle.

Again, don't chalk it up to lack of creativity so much as me (perhaps wrongly) being a bit of a Sonic purist. In my head, both Knuckles and Tails have near-identical abilities to Sonic gameplay-wise, even if canonically that's never been the case. Tails could probably be an amazing character, but I just get the feeling that I wouldn't be happy with however they designed him. Guess I'm just nitpicky like that. I suppose if he was a Luigi-fied clone (as the thread title suggests) I'd be happy with it, because I kinda expect him to have the Spindash in some form (but obviously he'd had a different Recovery and cannot do the homing attack).

Well, personally, I've given up on game Tails. Most of my admiration for his character comes from the comics.
On the note of ruining Tails character, I too hate whats happened to Tails and Knux.

The creativity part was mostly sarcasm, but you won't believe how many empty minded "Sonic Purists" I come across.
And yeah, if SONIC was horribly designed, then I doubt Tails would be anywhere near that caliber.

Tails has no reason to be in any Smash Bros. Game. Sonic in Brawl was already enough and I rather have more famous Nintendo characters rather than 3rd Party ones before Smash becomes less of a Nintendo fighter and more of a "HEY WE GOT SOME RANDOM THIRD PARTY CHARACTER OH AND THAT MARIO GUY IS HERE TOO I GUESS" game.

I agree, he's only ever getting in if Nintendo eats SEGA.

 

[CalumG]

Tails has no reason to be in any Smash Bros. Game. Sonic in Brawl was already enough and I rather have more famous Nintendo characters rather than 3rd Party ones before Smash becomes less of a Nintendo fighter and more of a "HEY WE GOT SOME RANDOM THIRD PARTY CHARACTER OH AND THAT MARIO GUY IS HERE TOO I GUESS" game.

I agree with this, but I don't think that's what the thread is particularly about. I guess its more along the lines of "if Sonic WERE to get a second rep, I'd want to be X rather than Y". I don't think there's very many people who believe third parties will get a second rep, but a man can dream, right?

 

[volbound1700]

I already said his chances were very low. However, I doubt Tails being added to Smash would cut into Mario or the other Nintendo characters lol. Mario will always be the top face on Smash along with Pikachu, Link, Kirby, DK, Samus, Yoshi, and Fox.

 

[Deleted member]

People really go to extremes, don't they? It's not like having a 2nd Sonic character (or Metal Gear character, since this also applies to that series) will suddenly turn the game into "SUPER THIRD PARTY BROS. WITH A FEW NINTENDO CHARACTERS".

 

[FlareHabanero]

Well, we don't know if it possible to get a secondary third party character like Tails or Raiden, so at this point it's a crap shoot as to what's going to happen. I could happen, since there is no rule that states otherwise, but at the same time there is nothing that supports it ether. So basically, it's a borderline topic.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, we don't know if it possible to get a secondary third party character like Tails or Raiden, so at this point it's a crap shoot as to what's going to happen. I could happen, since there is no rule that states otherwise, but at the same time there is nothing that supports it ether. So basically, it's a borderline topic.

This is entirely accurate. We simply do not know at this point what will happen.
Though at the same time if it does happen, it won't be the end of the world like some people act like.

 

[Neanderthal]

Agree that Tails would have potential to be overpowered or one of the better characters in the game. But nothing to the extent of Metaknight like he's being compared. Problem with Metaknight was that he has all of the qualities that we think Tails could be overpowered for PLUS long attack range due to his sword.
Tails would have a very short attack range which would keep him much more balanced.

 

[volbound1700]

It depends on how they do the character. If you upped the damage and knock back on Sonic's moves, he could have easily been overpowered in Brawl. In fact most expected that based on how he moved in his trailers. His moves were very fast and chaotic, the problem is they do very little damage and have little knock back which is what weakend Sonic.

 

[Starcutter]

sonic was a game of my childhood, along with DKC, (despite being on different platforms) anyways, I'd like to see tails get in, but I don't see it happening.

 

[ChozoBoy]

I'm a big Tails fan, but after thinking about it, Eggman probably gets the edge in terms of a new and interesting character. I'd love to see his classic wrecking ball as the Final Smash.

I think it's possible that Sakurai might save some of his clone character ideas like Tails for DLC or late-development. I'd certainly main him, regardless. I don't think the post-Genesis characters really have a chance, not that I've seen anyone suggest them.

 

[Rex_Turbocool]

Shadow is cooler

 

[Blazeth]

No just no. If Sonic for some reason does get a second rep, It should almost definitely be Knuckles because he'd actually fit well in smash.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

No just no. If Sonic for some reason does get a second rep, It should almost definitely be Knuckles because he'd actually fit well in smash.

Yes. Because we add a rival before the sidekick.... -_-

Sidekicks seem to get the most priority in Smash. Tails would be no exception.

 

[FalKoopa]

My preference in regards to a 2nd Sonic Rep:

None > Eggman > Tails > Knuckles

 

[volbound1700]

Sonic and Tails vs. Mario and Luigi would make for a great Smash 2v2 match-up

 

[Starcutter]

I dunno, I kinda like the idea of Tails in smash. also, that partnership might mean something.

And, might as well bring this up.

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