You underestimate how ridiculous F-Air is and what it leads to. Going for falling U-Air on-stage is suboptimal compared to that and/or D-Air 99.99% of the time.
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Solar Powered: Ivysaur Q&A/General Discussion Thread
- Thread starter Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir
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Sudai
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I don't underestimate it, there's just times you don't have time for FAir to swing all the way below you . Its not something I recommend using all the time but its definitely something you want to be able to do when the situation arises. Body UAir > USmash works at percents that the FAir would only connect to Up-B or Solar Beam and that's only if they DI improperly and that's assuming you have the time to hit them with the FAir since it takes forever to swing below Ivy. Like I said before, its a mix-up and its situational, but its very strong and its silly to overlook niche things in your character.
U-Air comes out on Frame 8 while F-Air comes out on Frame 10. The time spent waiting for F-Air to come down on the opponent is comparable or shorter than the time it takes for U-Air to come down. For all intents and purposes, they're the same speed.
That said, body U-Air should only be landing if an opponent massively overextends himself or on the hardest of hard reads. As such, it's not even close to reliable and would pretty much only be useful to mix things up when you're being juggled. Otherwise, you're just playing bad/inexperienced opponents, as there are a lot of ways to deal with it.
That said, body U-Air should only be landing if an opponent massively overextends himself or on the hardest of hard reads. As such, it's not even close to reliable and would pretty much only be useful to mix things up when you're being juggled. Otherwise, you're just playing bad/inexperienced opponents, as there are a lot of ways to deal with it.
Bstuk
Smash Cadet
So How does ivysaur's side b work? I noticed sometimes it goes faster than others but I have no idea how to change the speed. Is the speed randomized?
SpiderMad
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tilt vs Smash like Link's boomerang or Samus' missiles
Bstuk
Smash Cadet
Alright thanks that seems to be it. Feels way harder to consistently do than smash attacks for some reason.
SpiderMad
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That's one of the reasons I stopped playing Diddy, they made his weak side-b horrible to where you always want to use the strong: which means you gotta kiss your control stick goodbye until they figure out how to make the input less demanding/strict
Masonomace
Yeah Shulk, get stuck in!
Hey P:M Ivysaur Boards I may only have a couple of questions cus I just finished playing a party fest of P:M.
Can a SolarBeam be crouch canceled? I ask this because when I get edge-guarded so hard I have no way of recovering back with D-airs and DJ I'm always at that right place to solarbeam the opponent I wanna use it quickly so I can SBC next stock yet they're on ground not in the air so I wondered if one of Ivy's best moves couldn't get the kill on grounded players.
Can a SolarBeam be crouch canceled? I ask this because when I get edge-guarded so hard I have no way of recovering back with D-airs and DJ I'm always at that right place to solarbeam the opponent I wanna use it quickly so I can SBC next stock yet they're on ground not in the air so I wondered if one of Ivy's best moves couldn't get the kill on grounded players.
I mean, at very low percents, probably, but, why wouldn't they just jump/roll away from that angle and avoid damage altogether? It's incredibly apparent when it's happening, as Ivysaur has a ton of startup on the move.
KariteSama
Smash Apprentice
question. i don't understand which projectiles razor leaf cancels out. some of them go straight through it and others get cancelled and it seems kind of random. any idea?
It should be the same ones you're able to interact with with any other moves.
A Falco laser doesn't have a hurtbox, as in, you can't hit it with an attack.
A Mario Fireball has a hurtbox, so you can hit it with an attack.
Razor Leaf should follow the same rules as every other attack in whether or not it interacts, so, just find out which moves are hittable.
A Falco laser doesn't have a hurtbox, as in, you can't hit it with an attack.
A Mario Fireball has a hurtbox, so you can hit it with an attack.
Razor Leaf should follow the same rules as every other attack in whether or not it interacts, so, just find out which moves are hittable.
What about them? They're pretty straightforward...
F-Smash angled down can hit some recoveries reasonably well. F-Smash in general also traps landing well. It's one of the only Smashes with only one frame between the charge frames and the first active frame.
F-Smash angled down can hit some recoveries reasonably well. F-Smash in general also traps landing well. It's one of the only Smashes with only one frame between the charge frames and the first active frame.
Fsmash can be angled? Wow, the more you know. She seems to have a lot of options for hitting people hanging on the ledge. But it seems to me that Fsmash has rather poor knockback (is it stronger at the tip?) and all her smashes seem slow. But maybe I just play Mario too much...
Would definitely blame it on your Mario play. Her Smashes aren't especially fast, but D-Smash and U-Smash are above-average, for sure.
F-Smash doesn't have a sourspot, as far as I know. It's not weak, but it's not that strong, either. It just does what it needs to.
F-Smash doesn't have a sourspot, as far as I know. It's not weak, but it's not that strong, either. It just does what it needs to.
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I've found that F-smash tends to hit people a lot more than it should. The huge range and the point at which the hitbox comes out after the charging animation messes with their timing and catches them off-guard. It's very laggy though, so don't get too comfortable using it, especially against somebody who is familiar with Ivysaur. You will get punished hard.
I like using D-smash at the ledge. It's got very nice speed and range and it hits them at a bad angle. Again, though, don't get too comfortable using it. The lag afterwards is pretty bad.
UpSmash is a solid smash all-around I'd say.
I like using D-smash at the ledge. It's got very nice speed and range and it hits them at a bad angle. Again, though, don't get too comfortable using it. The lag afterwards is pretty bad.
UpSmash is a solid smash all-around I'd say.
Today I was playing someone and I f-smashed and they hit my body as it flung itself forward (I think he was playing falcon or g&w) and they themselves were untouched. So I guess the hitbox is close to the hurtbox when fully extended, or something like that.
Yes--She catapults her body toward the opponent, so it makes perfect sense that her hitbox and hurtbox would be very close together.
KariteSama
Smash Apprentice
I don't like her f-smash. It is too easy to punish imo. I love the d-smash near the edge though. Especially against bowser, dk, and falcon.
Masonomace
Yeah Shulk, get stuck in!
Does Ivysaur have frame data on her tech roll?
Just took a quick peek but didn't see anything besides roll dodge < / >, but i ask this because Ivysaur's tech roll in brawl was really smooth and quick it almost resembles exactly like PM Ivy's Techroll.
Just took a quick peek but didn't see anything besides roll dodge < / >, but i ask this because Ivysaur's tech roll in brawl was really smooth and quick it almost resembles exactly like PM Ivy's Techroll.
I don't think we have the frame data on it, but it is the same as in Brawl, which is among the highest distances covered, for sure.
Masonomace
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Hell yeah definitely! Despite Brawl speed being slow enough to notice Ivy's tech roll being so nice PM is much quicker but Ivy's Tech roll doesn't seem too behind on speed. The tech roll actually seems to match the speed and distance to PM 
Yeerk
Smash Journeyman
Recovering with Ivy, I found tonight that you can d-air stall even after tethering if you press down to release your tether. The timing is tight, and you have to remember not to hold down throughout the d-air, or you will lose height and it will be harder to recover. It's not going to be regularly useful against people that know how to edgeguard her, but it could be used as a mixup to get back to the stage. It's possible to use all three tethers in this way if you start far enough out away from the stage, or you can start by hanging and d-air to a further spot away from the stage to tether.
Fortress
Smash Master
Is that, like, a really hard-to-do tether cancel like Link would do? It sounds kind of similar, but, I don't know Ivy at all.
Yeerk
Smash Journeyman
No, Ivy's tether is much longer, and her dair pop's her up to more easily travel horizontally without losing height. Neither character can double jump if they drop from their tether, and Link falls much faster anyway. He has tether stalls of his own, though. If you hold the ledge, you can immediately let go and tether to refresh your invincibility. You can also tether three times with Link without ever shortening to the stage, but that's pretty useless.
Fortress
Smash Master
Yeah, I know the gist of Ivy's ROB-esque momentum aerials, being Uair and Dair, and Link's limits on his own tether (being a Link main and all). I was going to say that I don't know how I would feel if Ivy had a Link-ish tether cancel property lol
Yeerk
Smash Journeyman
I don't know what that is, but these aren't the Link boards, so I won't ask
Edit: I think I know what you mean now, but I haven't messed with Link's tether much, so that may be the case. Feel free to elaborate if it's a comparison of Ivy and Link's tethers.
Edit: I think I know what you mean now, but I haven't messed with Link's tether much, so that may be the case. Feel free to elaborate if it's a comparison of Ivy and Link's tethers.
KariteSama
Smash Apprentice
I always have trouble following up F-air. That's why I usually opt for N-air to knock off stage but I don't want to miss out on using the move. What are good followup options at different percentages?
Fortress
Smash Master
I've seen crazy-stupid waveland-forward-off-platform-into-Fair kind of jankiness before. Works on stages like Dreamland, I assume. How you'd do that consistently, I'm not sure.
Malart
Smash Apprentice
What about Shield-Dropped Fair?
KariteSama
Smash Apprentice
Um. Well. Buy follow-up I mean hitting a F-air and then hitting something else after that. I've seen F-air to B-air or F-air to N-air but I don't know what works when.
F-Air sends people straight up, so you should be able to combo off a hit with it all the time. It's really, really obnoxious.
When I got a chance to try out Mewtwo and Roy a few weeks ago, I played a match with Ivy to see if there were any differences. Only thing I could notice is that Fair seemed slower, other than that I couldn't tell any differences.
JOE!
Smash Hero
Marth's Fair can be untouched tho, because reasons
Tags
Smash Cadet
Are there any notes on what they'll be nerfing on ivysaur yet? If not, I'm predicting razor leaf will be nerfed so that it doesn't shield stun so much that it's a guaranteed grab, and obviously bair length.
Reflex pls give us the inside details on Ivy nerfs pls
Fortress
Smash Master
If my 'rang has to suffer, so does your leaf.
(which I can just stand in neutral position to block, anyway)
Wait, boomerang, suffering? Ha, not in my lifetime.
(which I can just stand in neutral position to block, anyway)
Wait, boomerang, suffering? Ha, not in my lifetime.