Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[SuperSmashStephen]

I loved Cloud and his reveal for Smash. I loved Bayo's too and actually voted for her.

But Cloud is just such a huge thorn in my side as a competitive player. So many friends of mine dropped their characters like Wario and Charizard, who are so interesting to me, for Cloud because he is superior in every way, is the safest character in the game, has one of the best kill moves in the game that he can charge for multiple times in a match. His Upair is known for being such a difficult hitbox to get around. He's frustrating to fight, easy to pick up, and is stupidly good. There is no reason to not be a Cloud player in Smash 4.

I hate what he's done. Even in doubles Double Cloud is considered the best team easily and it just sucks. I don't hate Cloud the character. His moveset in Smash 4 is just a huge thorn in my side and it kinda breaks my heart to see half the people at my locals drop their more interesting characters they spent years on for him because he's just better at everything.

It sucks, I agree. But there is counter-play to it even if that counter-play is kind of a meme.

Getting witch-timed feels 1000x worse for me. Once again, its my fault for being witch-timed but it doesnt make it any less frustrating when I die at 40%. But yeah I wasn't saying she's fun to play against. She is hella fun to watch though. Salem beating ZeRo at EVO was one of the most iconic sets of Smash 4 easily.

That’s fair! I’m sure that is frustrating from a competitive standpoint. I’m not really into the competitive scene with Smash. I only get competitive with friends.

I actually suck with Cloud. Haha, I enjoy his presence and the legacy he brings to Smash though. Mewtwo, Samus, and Game & Watch. My forever mains.

 

[Murlough]

Alrighty here's a little game:

If you were put in charge of Smash 5 and was tasked to add 20 newcomers, who would you pick? You may replace any of these with cut veterans.
Imma go first:

1. Toad
2. Paper Mario
3. King K. Rool
4. Dixie Kong
5. Midna
6. any of the four Champions
7. Ridley
8. Kamek
9. Bandanna Waddle Dee
10. Marx
11. Wolf
12. Pichu
13. Squirtle or Ivysaur
14. Ice Climbers
15. Captain Syrup
16. Viridi
17. Snake
18. Shantae
19. Sash Lilac
20. Agnes Oblige

1. Mimikyu
2. Ashley
3. Viridi
4. Daisy
5. Captain Toad
6. King K. Rool
7. Ice Climbers
8. Ridley (why not)
9. Snake
10.Bandanna Dee
11. Pichu
12. Brave Lucina
13. Heihachi
14. Waluigi
15. Shantae
16. Amy Rose
17. Knuckles
18. Monster Hunter
19. Wolf
20. Midna. (I actually know zip about LoZ so I feel unqualified to even give a suggestion but it also feels wrong to not give them a character with 20 slots so ugh. I like Midna's design so there. The mermaid lady from Breath of the Wild is cool, too.)

 

[Nu~]

Alrighty here's a little game:

If you were put in charge of Smash 5 and was tasked to add 20 newcomers, who would you pick? You may replace any of these with cut veterans.
Imma go first:

1. Toad
2. Paper Mario
3. King K. Rool
4. Dixie Kong
5. Midna
6. any of the four Champions
7. Ridley
8. Kamek
9. Bandanna Waddle Dee
10. Marx
11. Wolf
12. Pichu
13. Squirtle or Ivysaur
14. Ice Climbers
15. Captain Syrup
16. Viridi
17. Snake
18. Shantae
19. Sash Lilac
20. Agnes Oblige

1.) Crash
2.) Alucard
3.) Phoenix Wright
4.) Marx
5.) Magalor
6.) Gooey
7.) Waluigi
8.) Hades
9.) Bandana Dee
10.) Wolf
11.) Zero (Mega Man Zero version)
12.) King K. Rool
13.) Viridi
14.) Snake
15.) Leif (Fire Emblem)
16.) Rayman
17.) Leon (Star Fox)
18.) Rash/Zitz/Pimple
19.) Tapu Koko
20.) Corrin getting overhauled or just cut (I know it’s petty but god I hate this character’s design in smash+Voice acting)


I absolutely don’t have a Kirby problem :]

 

[Lord-Zero]

Alrighty here's a little game:

If you were put in charge of Smash 5 and was tasked to add 20 newcomers, who would you pick? You may replace any of these with cut veterans.
Imma go first:

1. Toad
2. Paper Mario
3. King K. Rool
4. Dixie Kong
5. Midna
6. any of the four Champions
7. Ridley
8. Kamek
9. Bandanna Waddle Dee
10. Marx
11. Wolf
12. Pichu
13. Squirtle or Ivysaur
14. Ice Climbers
15. Captain Syrup
16. Viridi
17. Snake
18. Shantae
19. Sash Lilac
20. Agnes Oblige

In no particular order...

1. Lana (Hyrule Warriors)
2. Ashley
3. Waluigi
4. Neptune
5. Blanc
6. Funky Kong
7. Nia
8. Reinhardt (Fire Emblem) So he can meme his way into Smash representing the most obscure FE game and...Heroes.
9. Fiora
10. Decidueye
11. Bewear
12. Jibanyan
13. Susie
14. Katrielle Layton
15. Arle Nadja
16. Bartz Klauser
17. Itsuki Aoi
18. Tsubasa Oribe
19. Asuka (Senran Kagura)
20. Yumi (Senran Kagura)

 

[Troykv]

Alrighty here's a little game:

If you were put in charge of Smash 5 and was tasked to add 20 newcomers, who would you pick? You may replace any of these with cut veterans.
Imma go first:

1. Toad
2. Paper Mario
3. King K. Rool
4. Dixie Kong
5. Midna
6. any of the four Champions
7. Ridley
8. Kamek
9. Bandanna Waddle Dee
10. Marx
11. Wolf
12. Pichu
13. Squirtle or Ivysaur
14. Ice Climbers
15. Captain Syrup
16. Viridi
17. Snake
18. Shantae
19. Sash Lilac
20. Agnes Oblige

Anyone?

Okay then.

1.- Captain Toad
2.- Waluigi
3.- King K. Rool
4.- Dixie Kong
5.- Cranky Kong
6.- Midna (or I don't know, whatever from Zelda)
7.- Ridley
8- Bandana Waddle Dee
9.- Marx
10.- Decidueye
11.- Lycanroc
12.- Micaiah (bias! :D)
13.- Ashley
14.- Medusa
15.- Wolf
16.- Ice Climbers
17.- Snake
18.- Simon Belmont
19.- Shantae
20.- Agnes Oblige.

Yeah... I don't feel very creative today xDU

 

[Icedragonadam]

Alrighty here's a little game:

If you were put in charge of Smash 5 and was tasked to add 20 newcomers, who would you pick? You may replace any of these with cut veterans.
Imma go first:

1. Toad
2. Paper Mario
3. King K. Rool
4. Dixie Kong
5. Midna
6. any of the four Champions
7. Ridley
8. Kamek
9. Bandanna Waddle Dee
10. Marx
11. Wolf
12. Pichu
13. Squirtle or Ivysaur
14. Ice Climbers
15. Captain Syrup
16. Viridi
17. Snake
18. Shantae
19. Sash Lilac
20. Agnes Oblige

1. Lloyd Irving
2. King K. Rool
3. Wolf
4. Ice Climbers
5. Rex & Pyra
6. Ridley
7. Dillon
8. Simon Belmont
9. Ryu Hayabusa
10. Bomberman
11. Leon Powalski
12. Velvet Crowe
13. Skull Kid
14. Takamaru
15. Revali
16. Ephraim
17. Ashley
18. Bartz
19. Arle Nadja
20. Kumatora

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Alrighty here's a little game:

If you were put in charge of Smash 5 and was tasked to add 20 newcomers, who would you pick? You may replace any of these with cut veterans.
Imma go first:

1. Toad
2. Paper Mario
3. King K. Rool
4. Dixie Kong
5. Midna
6. any of the four Champions
7. Ridley
8. Kamek
9. Bandanna Waddle Dee
10. Marx
11. Wolf
12. Pichu
13. Squirtle or Ivysaur
14. Ice Climbers
15. Captain Syrup
16. Viridi
17. Snake
18. Shantae
19. Sash Lilac
20. Agnes Oblige

My list is like 85% things I want for my own selfish reasons and 15% things that I just think should be in the game.

1. Joker
2. Ray mk III
3. Lyn
4. Chibi Robo
5. Dixie Kong
6. Lana
7. Jack Frost
8. Mipha
9. Meowth
10. Ashley
11. Jack (Harvest Moon Farmer)
12. Midday Lycanrock
13. Squirtle
14. Ivysaur
15. Pichu
16. Tails
17. Sharena
18. K. Rool
19. Ridley
20. Wolf

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

It's definitely one crazy time for speculation.

Alrighty here's a little game:

If you were put in charge of Smash 5 and was tasked to add 20 newcomers, who would you pick? You may replace any of these with cut veterans.
Imma go first:

1. Toad
2. Paper Mario
3. King K. Rool
4. Dixie Kong
5. Midna
6. any of the four Champions
7. Ridley
8. Kamek
9. Bandanna Waddle Dee
10. Marx
11. Wolf
12. Pichu
13. Squirtle or Ivysaur
14. Ice Climbers
15. Captain Syrup
16. Viridi
17. Snake
18. Shantae
19. Sash Lilac
20. Agnes Oblige

Here we go:
1: Isaac (Golden Sun)
2: Ridley
3: Wauigi
4: Dixie Kong
5: King K. Rool
6: Rex & Pyra
7: Simon Belmont
8: Decidueye
9: Phoenix Wright
10: Wolf
11: Takamaru
12: Wonder Red
13: Spring Man
14: Bandanna Dee
15: Simon Belmont
16: Monster Hunter
17: Joker (Persona 5)
18: Ashley
19: Lyn
20: Ice Climbers. I'd definitely take these two returning over Solaire. Not that I've anything against the SoulsBorne games (Except probably a bad idea to start DSIII without any background of the other games)
20: Solaire of Astora (just for the lols - I don't expect a Dark Souls character, but he'd probably be my go to for a Namco newcomer alongside Heihachi or Nightmare)

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Alrighty here's a little game:

If you were put in charge of Smash 5 and was tasked to add 20 newcomers, who would you pick? You may replace any of these with cut veterans.
Imma go first:

1. Toad
2. Paper Mario
3. King K. Rool
4. Dixie Kong
5. Midna
6. any of the four Champions
7. Ridley
8. Kamek
9. Bandanna Waddle Dee
10. Marx
11. Wolf
12. Pichu
13. Squirtle or Ivysaur
14. Ice Climbers
15. Captain Syrup
16. Viridi
17. Snake
18. Shantae
19. Sash Lilac
20. Agnes Oblige

This is mostly my predictions for who will get in, but that's because they seem the most logical additions. I don't think Donkey Kong Jr, Dixie Kong, Alph, Lip, and Samurai Goroh are likely. Baby Mario is slight bias. Paper Mario is probably more likely.

Newcomers

1. Baby Mario
2. Phantom Zelda
3. Tetra
4. Cranky Kong
5. Pauline
6. Samurai Goroh
7. Mimikyu
8. Celica
9. Rex & Pyra
10. Lip
11. Inklings
12. Rhythm Heaven Troupe
13. Excitebike
14. Sheriff
15. Bomberman
16. Simon Belmont
17. Donkey Kong Jr
18. Impa (Sheik Clone)
19. Alph
20. Dixie Kong

Veterans

• Ice Climbers
• Pichu
• Wolf

Props for you, cuz I really want Kamek and Lilac.

 

[Megadoomer]

Alrighty here's a little game:

If you were put in charge of Smash 5 and was tasked to add 20 newcomers, who would you pick? You may replace any of these with cut veterans.
Imma go first:

1. Toad
2. Paper Mario
3. King K. Rool
4. Dixie Kong
5. Midna
6. any of the four Champions
7. Ridley
8. Kamek
9. Bandanna Waddle Dee
10. Marx
11. Wolf
12. Pichu
13. Squirtle or Ivysaur
14. Ice Climbers
15. Captain Syrup
16. Viridi
17. Snake
18. Shantae
19. Sash Lilac
20. Agnes Oblige

In no particular order (it's mainly as I recall or think of them)...

1. Snake
2. Wolf
3. Ice Climbers
4. Captain Toad
5. Midna (while one of the Champions from BotW would likely be more realistic, I've only encountered Mipha so far, so I have no idea who stands out if anyone)
6. Bandanna Waddle Dee
7. Ridley
8. K. Rool
9. Dixie Kong
10. Rayman
11. Doomguy (DOOM)
12. Shovel Knight
13. Travis Touchdown
14. Wonder Red (the Wonderful 101)
15. Isaac (Golden Sun)
16. Takamaru
17. Sukapon (Joy Mech Fight)
18. Alexandra Roivas (Eternal Darkness)
19. Rex and Pyra (though I'd also be fine with Elma)
20. Mike Jones (Star Tropics)

 

[One winged Devil]

Alrighty here's a little game:

If you were put in charge of Smash 5 and was tasked to add 20 newcomers, who would you pick? You may replace any of these with cut veterans.
Imma go first:

1. Toad
2. Paper Mario
3. King K. Rool
4. Dixie Kong
5. Midna
6. any of the four Champions
7. Ridley
8. Kamek
9. Bandanna Waddle Dee
10. Marx
11. Wolf
12. Pichu
13. Squirtle or Ivysaur
14. Ice Climbers
15. Captain Syrup
16. Viridi
17. Snake
18. Shantae
19. Sash Lilac
20. Agnes Oblige

1.Ridley
2.Doris
3.Elma
4.K.Rool
5.Tails
6.Shadow
7.Simon Belmont
8.Isabelle
9.Figher Hyubusa
10.OOA Impa
11.Mach Rider
12.Kid Cobra
13.Incenaroar
14.Jynx
15.Daisy
16.Meg fro Fire Emblem
17.Takamaru
18. X
19.Cooking Mama
20.New Mii Fighter Class

 

[monadoboy]

Mii custom, and was in a final smash.
Plus that trailer clip is (my opinion - probably wrong) foreshadowing his playable appearance in Smash 5.
I dun care if right after the trailer there's a "no that day is today" - no it was not... that's not what Chrom meant by he'll get his chance someday, he meant playable some day! lol

That gif... is adorable as heck.
He's just a little guy tryin to hitch a ride.

I'd love Chrom, specially if they change Lucina to be a Chrom clone, like she should. Having the Awakening trio would be nice.

Alrighty here's a little game:

If you were put in charge of Smash 5 and was tasked to add 20 newcomers, who would you pick? You may replace any of these with cut veterans.

Gonna try to balance what I would love + what would be generally considered good:

1. Buzzwole
2. Ridley
3. Wolf Link
4. Wolf
5. Linkle
6. Micaiah or Takumi
7. Fiora, Rex or Elma
8. Funky (Funky is 1000% cooler than K.rool and Dixie and nothing can change my mind)
9. Style Savvy rep
10. Takamaru
11. Isa Jo
12. Ice Climbers
13. Lycanroc
14. Travis
15. KOS MOS
16. Neku
17. Twintelle
18. Sword Kirby (with fire, ice, thunder elemental swords)
19. Paper Mario
20. Inklings, or if they don't count, then Goku Monita

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

1.Ridley
2.Doris
3.Elma
4.K.Rool
5.Tails
6.Shadow
7.Simon Belmont
8.Isabelle
9.Figher Hyubusa
10.OOA Impa
11.Mach Rider
12.Kid Cobra
13.Incenaroar
14.Jynx
15.Daisy
16.Meg fro Fire Emblem
17.Takamaru
18. X
19.Cooking Mama
20.New Mii Fighter Class

How could I forget Cooking Mama?!

 

[Koopaul]

Oh wow! 20? That's a lot. I don't think that would be feasible but this is a hypothetical so...

1. Barbara - (Jam with the Band)
2. Ridley - (Metroid)
3. Dixie Kong - (Donkey Kong)
4. K. Rool - (Donkey Kong)
5. Samurai Goroh - (F-Zero)
6. Dillon - (Dillon's Rolling Western)
7. Starfy - (The Legendary Starfy)
8. Chibi-Robo - (Chibi-Robo!)
9. Donbe & Hikari - (Shin Onigashima)
10. Takamaru - (The Mysterious Murasame Castle)
11. Tingle - (The Legend of Zelda)
12. Tibby - (Rhythm Heaven)
13. Andy - (Advance Wars)
14. Toad - (Super Mario)
15. Excitebiker - (Excitbike)
16. Ayumi Tachibana - (Famicom Detective Club)
17. Lip - (Puzzle League)
18. Mimikyu - (Pokemon)
19. Bandanna Dee - (Kirby)
20. Slime - (Dragon Quest)

 

[Zinith]

So Darouche from Kirby: Squeak Squad was revealed as the next Dream Friend for Star Allies....

*cue in the "Darouche is likely for Smash now" people*

 

[Blargg888]

So Larouche from Kirby: Squeak Squad was revealed as the next Dream Friend for Star Allies....

*cue in the "Larouche is likely for Smash now" people*

Wait, is that a misspelling, or is that just his name elsewhere?
Because around here he's called Daroach.

KSA's DLC is probably going to cause some people a lot of trouble when it comes to Kirby series speculation. I don't think it'll actually matter much in the end though.

 

[MopedOfJustice]

So Darouche from Kirby: Squeak Squad was revealed as the next Dream Friend for Star Allies....

*cue in the "Darouche is likely for Smash now" people*

I saw at least one person already say he was in the top three in terms of likely characters, despite the fact that he's already missed two installments and wasn't made by Sakurai.

Edit: So I looked it up, as though GX didn't get enough free advertising on this thread, but he looks worse than I expected:
http://prntscr.com/jkyp1z

Really, I don't think that would fly in a 3DS game... And that's not even a got-you-at-an-awkward-frame, that's the pose they put him in.

 

[Zinith]

Wait, is that a misspelling, or is that just his name elsewhere?
Because around here he's called Daroach.

KSA's DLC is probably going to cause some people a lot of trouble when it comes to Kirby series speculation. I don't think it'll actually matter much in the end though.

I edited it and I still misspelled it...

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I honestly doubt Kirby Star Allies in general will have any bearing on the roster, as like ARMS and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 it seems a bit "too little too late". That said, I can see at least one Dream Friend being easy an DLC/update.

 

[osby]

That said, I can see at least one Dream Friend being easy an DLC/update.

As a trophy?

 

[N3ON]

Spoiler: the Kirby DLC won't effect the Smash roster. It won't with Marx, it won't now, and it won't when Magolor is in the next wave.

A rising tide lifts all ships. All these appearances effectively cancel each other out.

 

[DYED]

I honestly doubt Kirby Star Allies in general will have any bearing on the roster, as like ARMS and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 it seems a bit "too little too late". That said, I can see at least one Dream Friend being easy an DLC/update.

I remember reading that some character from the Rhythm Heaven franchise was going to be part of the Smash 4 roster until it got scrapped last minute.
I don't think time is a factor for a franchise to be represented or not into Smash.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I remember reading that some character from the Rhythm Heaven franchise was going to be part of the Smash 4 roster until it got scrapped last minute.
I don't think time is a factor for a franchise to be represented or not into Smash.

Yep. There's some evidence it might've been the Chorus Kids, but it's just a leak that is outdated. In addition, we found the series symbol within the game's coding. Considering they got an enemy in Smash Run, it's pretty like there was at least consideration if not some work done.

We don't know exactly who was considered among the cast, just some theories.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I remember reading that some character from the Rhythm Heaven franchise was going to be part of the Smash 4 roster until it got scrapped last minute.
I don't think time is a factor for a franchise to be represented or not into Smash.

Not seeing how this correlates with potential Kirby newcomers.

I'm well aware the Chorus Kids were leaked, and it's entirely possible they were planned for the roster and cut last minute. But like... how does that correlate with "time isn't a factor" (which yes it kinda is, the roster hardly ever changes after development of a Smash game starts, exceptions being the addition of clones in Smash 4 [maybe Melee too but don't quote me on that] and Sonic in Brawl. It's assumed and very likely development started around 2016. It's possible [but unlikely] that Kirby Star Allies would have been in development at this point, but certainly not the Dream Friends.).

 

[MopedOfJustice]

I don't think time is a factor for a franchise to be represented or not into Smash.

There are interviews with Sakurai to the contrary. As has been posted here before, usually nothing other than clones being added or characters being cut after plans are finalized early on. He also explicitly stated that characters will likely never get a chance just as a happenstance of when their game came out.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

Yep. There's some evidence it might've been the Chorus Kids, but it's just a leak that is outdated. In addition, we found the series symbol within the game's coding. Considering they got an enemy in Smash Run, it's pretty like there was at least consideration if not some work done.

We don't know exactly who was considered among the cast, just some theories.

I’m hoping that’ll be rectified with this iteration. While Rhythm Heaven isn’t Nintendo’s most popular IP persay, I definitely think a rep is deserved. Whoever it may be, Chorus Kids, Karate Joe, Tap Trial Girl, Marshal, Tibby, The Wrestler. A moveset based off keeping beats or a rhythm would definitely be unique, and they got all those mini games to pull from.

My pick is the Tap Trial Girl. She’s the mascot of the franchise, and buy using the mini games and rhythm gimmick you could incorporate a lot of other elements from the franchise into her moves. Like Pac-Man or G&W.

Could totally serve as that curveball odd choice no one (or very few) saw coming. The “Wii Fit Trainer” of this title.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I’m hoping that’ll be rectified with this iteration. While Rhythm Heaven isn’t Nintendo’s most popular IP persay, I definitely think a rep is deserved. Whoever it may be, Chorus Kids, Karate Joe, Tap Trial Girl, Marshal, Tibby, The Wrestler. A moveset based off keeping beats or a rhythm would definitely be unique, and they got all those mini games to pull from.

My pick is the Tap Trial Girl. She’s the mascot of the franchise, and buy using the mini games and rhythm gimmick you could incorporate a lot of other elements from the franchise into her moves. Like Pac-Man or G&W.

Could totally serve as that curveball odd choice no one (or very few) saw coming. The “Wii Fit Trainer” of this title.

I kind of like the idea of the Wrestler or Reporter myself.

Regardless, I hope they feel like a unique fighter, especially with some kind of rhythm based moveset.

 

[DYED]

Not seeing how this correlates with potential Kirby newcomers.

I'm well aware the Chorus Kids were leaked, and it's entirely possible they were planned for the roster and cut last minute. But like... how does that correlate with "time isn't a factor" (which yes it kinda is, the roster hardly ever changes after development of a Smash game starts, exceptions being the addition of clones in Smash 4 [maybe Melee too but don't quote me on that] and Sonic in Brawl).

I was referring about ARMS and Xenoblade being "a little too late".
Hope I didn't misunderstand the point.

There are interviews with Sakurai to the contrary. As has been posted here before, usually nothing other than clones being added or characters being cut after plans are finalized early on. He also explicitly stated that characters will likely never get a chance just as a happenstance of when their game came out.

Good point, but Sakurai's opinion is also infamous for its habit of changing drastically over time.
Considering how the last Smash roster went, I'd say Sakurai opinion about newcomers opened up more over time.

 

[Koopaul]

Tap Trial Girl is the mascot? Really?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

select all lawyers that you want

One Pheonix Wright please

Also the only characters I expected for a new Smash were Inklings (If you didn't see Inklings coming you're honestly kinda dumb) and Springman

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

I kind of like the idea of the Wrestler or Reporter myself.

Regardless, I hope they feel like a unique fighter, especially with some kind of rhythm based moveset.

Exactly! Regardless of who we got, we know their moveset would be rhythm based. It’d be such an interesting and technical character to learn.

Tap Trial Girl is the mascot? Really?

She is! She’s appeared in every game in some form. Sources? I got ‘em!

http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/Tap_Trial_Girl

http://rhythmheaven.wikia.com/wiki/Tap_Trial_Girl

Karate Joe would also be a likely candidate.

 

[NeonBurrito]

My pick is the Tap Trial Girl. She’s the mascot of the franchise, and buy using the mini games and rhythm gimmick you could incorporate a lot of other elements from the franchise into her moves. Like Pac-Man or G&W.

Could totally serve as that curveball odd choice no one (or very few) saw coming. The “Wii Fit Trainer” of this title.

As someone who enjoys the Rhythm Heaven series a good amount, I wouldn't really say the series has a certain "mascot".
It's kind of changed from game to game.

• Rhythm Tengoku had the Tap Trial Girl / Rhythm Girl
• Rhythm Heaven had the Glee Club (better known as the Chorus Kids to Smash fans)
• Rhythm Heaven Fever had Marshall, Cam, and Ms. Ribbon
• Rhythm Heaven Megamix had Tibby

Even then, it's probably worth mentioning Karate Joe for not only appearing in every game in the franchise, but also appearing in the most individual rhythm minigames out of nearly every character in the franchise. Heck, even the Tap Trial / Monkey Watch / Tambourine Monkey could work too, being a character that does show up more often than Karate Joe does.

Really, the franchise has a whole ton of characters to choose from, because there really isn't a 'set in stone' mascot. One of my favorite movesets I've seen is a Karate Joe + Chorus Kid moveset:

Made a quick move set for my ideal Rhythm Heaven rep for the next Smash. Thought it'd be cool to have a character that focused heavily on timing and the various mini games from the series. pic.twitter.com/GH03ihWhKU

— Kevin Fagaragan (@KevinFagaragan) March 26, 2018

There's a whole ton they could with the series. I'm disappointed that it got the axe sometime in Smash 4's development.

 

[Jubileus57]

Alrighty here's a little game:

If you were put in charge of Smash 5 and was tasked to add 20 newcomers, who would you pick? You may replace any of these with cut veterans.
Imma go first:

1. Toad
2. Paper Mario
3. King K. Rool
4. Dixie Kong
5. Midna
6. any of the four Champions
7. Ridley
8. Kamek
9. Bandanna Waddle Dee
10. Marx
11. Wolf
12. Pichu
13. Squirtle or Ivysaur
14. Ice Climbers
15. Captain Syrup
16. Viridi
17. Snake
18. Shantae
19. Sash Lilac
20. Agnes Oblige

I'd go with ( in roster order)
1. Daisy
2. King Boo
3. Paper Mario
4. Dixie Kong
5. Cranky Kong
6. Urbosa
7. Ridley
8. Bandana Dee
9. Marx
10. Chandelure
11. Decidueye
12. Vanilluxe
13. Isabelle
14. Ice Climbers
15. Jeanne
16. Starfy
17. Twintelle
18. Wonder Red
19. Rabbid Peach
20. Amaterasu

 

[RosaPeach]

1.Takamaru
2.Wonder Red
3.Chibi Robo
4.Chorus Kids
5.Isaac
6.Ridley
7.Pauline
8.Lana
9.Bomberman
10.King K Rool
11.Dixie Kong
12.Celica
13.Elma
14.Hades
15.Arle Nadja
16.Rayman
17.Geno
18.Sora
19.Simon Belmont
20.Travis Touchdown

 

[Nu~]

Spoiler: the Kirby DLC won't effect the Smash roster. It won't with Marx, it won't now, and it won't when Magolor is in the next wave.

A rising tide lifts all ships. All these appearances effectively cancel each other out.

This is true but I won’t stop wishing :^]

At this point I’m mainly hoping for Bandana Dee and updated movesets for the current Kirby cast (so overdue...)

Edit: “is” not “isn’t” LOL

 

[SvartWolf]

welp... 20 is a lot of characters.... but since im in charge lets start with...

1)Simon Belmont!
haha feels nice... as for my second chartacter
2)Alucard
such a gaming icon... my third choice would be
3)Soma Cruz
representing the gameboy advance era... what this? you guys want more villians?
4)Dracula
what do you mean that im putting too much Castlevania characters? im in charge here!, you there bring a cofee
5)Shanoa
Why did you bring me a cofee? i hate cofee, bring me a tea instead... hmmm.. maybe i should put something a little easier to do.
6) Richter Belmont
as simon more agile semi clone. see you can argue that this one was a freebie! this roster could use a little more variety.
7)Sypha belnades
Netflix series was amazing... totally should be repped... ok ok, stop bugging me to put a nintendo character!
8)Ridley
there, happy?
9)Death
is death even a videogame character? well i alredy put Dracula there so i guess we should roll with it...
10) Trevor Belmont And Julius belmont
as simon and richter skins, see? other freebie.
11) Carmilla
What do you mean im turning smash into Castlevania judgement? never, EVER mention that game again!
12)Cornell
the 64 era needs more representation.. sadly i couldnt managed to implement the more requested banjo and... tooie? but have cornell instead!
13)Cristopher Belmont
is like Simon, but with shield mechanics! im a genius! uhm.. maybe is time i represent another franchise...
14)Solaire of Astoria!
Dark souls Is like castlevania 3d! over the years indies have grown a lot, so maybe i should put some indies.
15)Miriam
See, I can put other characters not from castlevania.
16)Skeleton
Underdogs should be represented too... if people are requesting waddle dees, skeleton is fair game!
17)Rinaldo Gandolfi
Always have had a sweet spot for this alchemist with his groovy voice and whip creation.
18)Toy maker
see, im so open minded im even putting lord of shadow characters!
19)Juste Belmont.
I havent totally exhausted whip moveset yet.. if robin can fight with spellbooks, a belmont can too! and for my final character...
20)Demonic castle.
yup, the castle as a playable character, such an being of chaos <3 if i managed to shrunk ridley, who can tell me than a castle is too big?

sigh... im such a great director... damn, my tea is already cold

PD: in case someone didint realize.. this is a joke

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

As someone who enjoys the Rhythm Heaven series a good amount, I wouldn't really say the series has a certain "mascot".
It's kind of changed from game to game.

• Rhythm Tengoku had the Tap Trial Girl / Rhythm Girl
• Rhythm Heaven had the Glee Club (better known as the Chorus Kids to Smash fans)
• Rhythm Heaven Fever had Marshall, Cam, and Ms. Ribbon
• Rhythm Heaven Megamix had Tibby

Even then, it's probably worth mentioning Karate Joe for not only appearing in every game in the franchise, but also appearing in the most individual rhythm minigames out of nearly every character in the franchise. Heck, even the Tap Trial / Monkey Watch / Tambourine Monkey could work too, being a character that does show up more often than Karate Joe does.

Really, the franchise has a whole ton of characters to choose from, because there really isn't a 'set in stone' mascot. One of my favorite movesets I've seen is a Karate Joe + Chorus Kid moveset:

Made a quick move set for my ideal Rhythm Heaven rep for the next Smash. Thought it'd be cool to have a character that focused heavily on timing and the various mini games from the series. pic.twitter.com/GH03ihWhKU

— Kevin Fagaragan (@KevinFagaragan) March 26, 2018

There's a whole ton they could with the series. I'm disappointed that it got the axe sometime in Smash 4's development.

Thank you for providing such a detailed knowledge of the series!

I like that Karate Joe moveset too. It’s kind of what I was trying to get at. Using mini game references in his attacks. I think he and Rhythm Girl have the best shot of taking a spot on the roster to represent Rhythm Heaven.

I’d be fine with either so long as their moveset was in a similar vain to this. I’m a little bias though. I’d like more females in Smash, so I’m still going to go with Tap Trial/Rhythm Girl. :D

 

[EnthusedPanda]

1. King K. Rool
   
   
2. Ridley
   
   
3. Geno
   
   
4. Paper Mario
   
   
5. Mega Man X
   
   
6. Crono
   
   
7. Dr. Wily
   
   
8. Skull Kid
   
   
9. Koopa Troopa
   
   
10. Marx
    
    
11. Wolf
    
    
12. Snake
    
    
13. Shovel Knight
    
    
14. Ice Climbers
    
    
15. Crash
    
    
16. Alucard … eh, fine, Simon
    
    
17. Kefka
    
    
18. Sora
    
    
19. Captain Toad
    
    
20. Dixie Kong
    
    
    DK reps strategically placed, of course.

 

[Pacack]

I figured I'd drop in with my new roster prediction before E3 rolls around.

Spoiler: Newcomer Pool

The above list includes all characters I considered. The farthest left represents the most likely to be in the game, and the farthest right represents the least.

The characters are color coded to represent how confident I am in them.

Blue is confirmed.
Green is unsurprising.
Yellow is moderately surprising.
Red is very surprising.
Pink is extremely surprising.

Spoiler: Roster A

Roster A assumes that the recent leak about Simon, Ridley, and Ice Climbers is false.

Spoiler: Roster Information

Base Roster Total: 73
DLC Roster Total: 78
Unique Newcomers: 12
Base Third Party Newcomers: 2
Overall Third Party Newcomers: 3
Clone Newcomers: 1
Returning Cut Characters: 2
Total Cuts: 0

Captain Toad: The newcomer I am most confident in, Captain Toad has appeared in every mainline Mario title since Super Mario Galaxy, and has now gotten his own spinoff game for Wii U, 3DS, and Switch. The character would be the first small-bodied heavy-weight and would rely on a good ground game and projectiles, but would have a lackluster recovery.

Dixie and Cranky Kong: This may be the most bold of my additions, but it can be substituted for the safer choice of solo Dixie Kong if that's preferred. However, I am going to make the prediction that Sakurai will take note of the demand for Dixie Kong and decide to add her with the mechanic he considered for Diddy and Dixie in Brawl. I am assuming that this mechanic is similar to the Ice Climbers, but with the two characters using joint attacks, reminiscent of the Ice Climbers' up special. For example, Dixie would hold Cranky for their up special as she twirls her hair, and Cranky would flail around, hitting opponents beneath them. The two characters would act as a single fighter with a shared percentage bar, but they could feasibly have a mechanic where one can be KO'd while the other lives on, but without the ability to do certain attacks. This would represent the team-up mechanics of the Donkey Kong series, and would offer a unique experience to players.

Sheriff: The oldest video game character of Nintendo, Sheriff would be the embodiment of Nintendo's early arcade roots. Having his trusty pistol, his horse, his rope, and other Western gear to battle, Sheriff would be a character that attacks from a distance. His gimmick would be his ability to angle his entire kit in eight directions, similarly to Fox and Falco's up-special. This hearkens back to his home game, which allow him to move and aim in eight directions simultaneously. Sheriff fulfills the historical/legacy character quota that Sakurai seems to have (Mr. Game and Watch, R.O.B., Duck Hunt) and brings the first character of Shigeru Miyamoto into the esteemed world of Smash Bros. to duel with his descendants.

Ice Climbers: The Ice Climbers return as they were in previous games. I believe that they are the single most likely fighter to make it in who we haven't had explicitly confirmed.

Takamaru: After being considered since Melee, Takamaru finally reveals himself to the Smash Bros. crew, bringing all his abilities with him: Iaijutsu techniques with his katana, various types of shuriken, fireballs, a cloak of invisibility, and more. His play-style is extremely offensive, doing damage from a distance and killing up-close. He is also a master at deflecting physical projectiles with his sword, making him the ultimate projectile counter. His downfall is his mediocre recovery, poor grab-game, light weight, and difficulty killing from a distance, but he more than makes up for these with his speed, damage output, and powerful sword draws.

Ridley: While I fully acknowledge the risk of predicting Ridley, I suspect that Sakurai took note of the outcry when he was not playable yet again, and came back to revisit the idea of making him playable. While it's not a guarantee by any means, I hope that Sakurai has decided he can make Ridley work as a large, but light character who excels in the air despite his slowness on the ground.

Bandana Dee: Bandana Dee is a relatively simple addition to the roster, but manages to be an archetype we haven't seen - a small, lightweight spear user. Essentially a blend between Marth and Kirby, Bandana Dee attacks with stabbing motions that are most powerful at the spear's head. He excels at keeping opponents out with his disjoints, but he is extremely vulnerable up-close.

Wolf: Wolf returns essentially as he was in Brawl, but notably keeping a slow fall speed despite his above-average running speed.

Decidueye: While I'm not confident in any particular Pokemon character, I'm most convinced by this Ghost/Grass archer from Sun and Moon. A character that prefers sniping and precision shots over in-your-face attacks, Decidueye is remarkably adept at shooting projectiles from the air. He is fairly large and light, fast-falling, and slow on the ground, but his projectiles are capable of killing both up-close and from a distance. This Pokemon marks the first true archer in the Smash Bros. series.

Isabelle: The most lovable assistant you could ask for is a character I was initially hesitant on predicting. However, I've decided that Isabelle has a solid chance due to her extreme popularity among even casual fans. Isabelle acts as a terrain-modifying character - she uses furniture and public works projects to beautify her surroundings, including planting flowers that you had better not step on. Isabelle really doesn't mean to be hurting anyone, but she's a bit clumsy, dropping her supplies and not watching where she puts things. As a fighter, though, she's extremely good at forcing her opponents into situations that they aren't used to being in. Imagine Pac-Man's hydrant, but multiple large ones that can't be destroyed. She doesn't hit hard, but boy is she a great builder.

Alph: The only clone I actively expect. I imagine Alph playing similarly to Olimar, but with some key differences. Namely, Olimar is given his up special from Brawl, and Alph gets the Flying Pikmin as an up special. Further, while Olimar has Purple and White Pikmin, Alph has Flying Pikmin (who act like typical Pikmin, but go in a straight line when thrown) and Rock Pikmin (which have poor throws, but do amazing damage to shields.) Olimar's up-special needs to be improved significantly, but will not prove to be a nerf to him, as Pikmin numbers have been increased back to Brawl's.

Elma: I've mentioned several times before that I expect Elma to be added to represent the X side of the Xenoblade franchise, as Rex's game didn't come out until after the planning period for this game finished. Elma is a fierce fighter who carries dual swords and pistols. Speedy on the ground and with good air mobility, Elma's biggest weakness is taking hits, not dishing them out. She's light and has a below-average recovery, but hits hard, fast, and often. She could optionally be given an Overdrive mechanic; a meter fills up as time goes by and, when filled, can be activated to negate cooldown on Elma's moves.

Inklings: Do I really need to explain?

Bomberman: Given Konami and Nintendo's recent working relationship (Super Bomberman R) and Bomberman's modest popularity, I imagine we'll be seeing him as one of our third party representatives. That said, I'm not confident on him, as there's a lot of competition among third parties.

Rayman: Easily the most likely third party in my eyes, as Ubisoft and Nintendo have been closer than ever. Rayman being included only makes sense. He appeared last game as a trophy and has had his company working directly with Mario since then, producing several games in the Switch's first year. If he's not in, it's not due to Ubisoft and Nintendo's relationship.

Spring Man + Rex: I'll group these two together, as they are DLC for similar reasons. Both are extremely popular characters from games that released after the character selection process had finished. They are prime for DLC.

Sora: While definitely a risky choice on my end, I've come to the conclusion that Sora was high on the ballot. I've talked with many, many casual friends of mine, and it's astounding how many of them voted for Sora. That said, I expect him to be DLC, as that would make negotiations easier with Disney. If he's paid DLC, then Disney simply takes a cut of the sales, which is easier to manage than figuring out a lump sum to pay for the rights to have him in the base game. That said, he's certainly not a lock, and I wouldn't be surprised to not see him.

Pokemon + Fire Emblem: I am not certain yet, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the new protagonist of the 2018 Fire Emblem game and a new Pokemon being added as tie-ins for the release of the games, similarly to how Corrin was chosen.

Spoiler: Roster B

Roster B assumes that the Simon leak is real and takes an optimistic approach to how many newcomers we're getting.

Spoiler: Roster Information

Funky Kong: A semi-clone with Donkey Kong as a base, Funky Kong would be an excellent choice for a late addition. I imagine Funky as a Donkey Kong that's slower on the ground and less grab-focused, but more powerful in the air and with a much better recovery.

Impa: While I could see Impa as a semi-clone, I don't expect her to be one. Rather, I imagine inspiration for her moveset being taken from both Hyrule Warriors and Breath of the Wild. Using her Naginata as a spear and either her Goron Knife or an Eightfold Longblade as a large sword, she would represent the two types of weapons in Breath of the Wild that Link does not currently use.

Snake: While I seldom put Snake on prediction rosters anymore, this is a notable exception. If Sakurai is indeed in contact with Konami for more than just a single character, which I imagine would be the case if Simon Belmont was included, then Snake could feasibly make it back due to fan demand.

Feel free to critique my roster, though please say why you have an issue with a given inclusion (/exclusion) rather than just stating what it is. Please keep in mind that my roster is simply the selection of what I think the most likely outcomes are, and that characters relatively high up on my newcomer pool in likelihood could also happen. I feel bad about excluding K. Rool, but know that there is a situation in which I can see that happening; I just don't think it's the most likely scenario to occur.

Also, the green characters are costumes, and are not really meant to be seriously critiqued. They're more ideas than anything

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Top 20 I would include if I was in charge for Smash Switch? Sure, I’ll make a list.

1. Ridley
2. Banjo-Kazooie
3. Impa (Mix between HW and SS)
4. Skull Kid
5. Dixie Kong
6. King K Rool
7. Elma
8. Fighter Hayabusa
9. Decidueye
10. Chrono (Chrono Trigger)
11. Scorpion (Mortal Kombat)
12. Isabelle
13. Master Chief
14. Shovel Knight
15. Jack (Harvest Moon)
16. Isaac (Golden Sun)
17. Talion (Shadow of Mordor)
18. Wolf
19. Tali vas Normandy (Mass Effect) Mach Rider
20. Son Goku (DBZ)