Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[mbvswb]

Banjo-Kazooie: 7/10, Its awesome to see a classic return, and to see Nintendo and Microsoft work together. And I'm excited for all his fans to see him finally come back to Nintendo.... but I've played Banjo-Kazooie, and although fun, in my opinion it's nothing special.

Geno: 11/10, **** yes. I am a *huge* fan of the Mario RPG series' (SMRPG, Paper, M&L) and have wanted Geno in since Brawl. It's been ten years and I really really hope he's in regardless of any leak. I'd also love for this to be the chance for him to be revived and maybe even used in Mario spinoffs or, and this really is a pipe dream, imagine if Nintendo and Sqaure teamed up again for SMRPG2 or even better, a GOOD Paper Mario game featuring Geno. Sign me the **** up.

Issac: 6/10, I never played Golden Sun and people clambering for Isaac has never made sense to me. But I know people will say the same for me with Geno. Happy for Isaac fans.

Chorus Kids: 7/10, never played Rhythm Heaven but it's good to see it represented and as a former chorus kid myself, I'll probably play them occasionally.

Mach Rider: 3/10, I'm not upset that this character is in, but I feel like there could've been better retro characters.

Shadow: 6/10, very expected and predictable, but I wanted Shadow in Brawl when I was 8 so, I'll give him an extra point.

Ken: 5/10, Cool. I'm not a Street Fighter fan, but he makes way too much sense.

 

[Ultinarok]

I dunno...

Something feels really off about this...

The dissonance you're feeling is the subtle feeling of the Box Theory slowly wasting away from within your soul. Because this leak is the most damning piece of evidence against it, and I know how much it meant to you.

Don't worry, the discomfort will pass. At which time you may begin to heal and absorb the awesomeness that is Smash Ultimate.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Ah yes the GameInformer Journalist who Hinted at Ridley, and Smash stuff and other game is baiting

he also had sources telling him this was real lol

 

[Diem]

That roster leak seems like absolute nonsense. It's basically "Every requested/suspected/leaked character, plus a couple that were cut/considered for previous games. Anyone could put that together.

Also, that's probably way too many characters. Sakurai explicitly said that we should expect the character announcements to decrease, as though to say that the August Direct gave a false impression due to how packed it was. He said at E3 "Don't expect too many new fighters," and then two months later gives us five (with three Echo Fighters), which probably only left a few remaining reveals, but gave the impression that the next Direct would probably have just as many fighters, which is unlikely.

I'm reminded of the "codename" leak that was basically the same thing, just with more flair. The codename leak also had way too many characters, and they were all the obvious picks. Not that that's unbelievable, since this game has generally been going for obvious picks anyways, but there's no way all of them are going to make it like in this leak. Ashley got deconfirmed, after all.

Reminder: the number of newcomers for each game was 14 in Melee, 18 in Brawl, and 15 in Smash 4 (not counting Echoes and DLC). Right now we're at 9 newcomers, 4 of them Echo Fighters (with a more work put into them than those in Smash 4). I doubt we're going to get more than 3 more fully new characters at most.

That "leak" isn't impossible, I just don't think it's very likely.

 

[CannonStreak]

he also had sources telling him this was real lol

I kind of remember that, but to be sure, what is that?

 

[Chrollo.]

I’m confused, is Imran calling it fake because he personally thinks people on the leak is unlikely or because he has conflicting information? Him saying that he doesn’t know the final roster but this isn’t it just confused me lol.

 

[Starbound]

Can you imagine the absolute ruse cruise if Nintendo managed to get all insiders to believe Keniroar was it and then the surprise is ruined by the Frenchman

Maybe Incineroar was leaker bait?

 

[staindgrey]

Shadow - 1: Is anybody here old enough to remember the travesty that was the Shadow GameCube game? And how shamelessly it tried to distinguish itself as "not kiddy" by giving him guns? I don't know why anybody cares about this character. Tails is a much better fit for a clone and they could change him up slightly by giving him some limited flight mechanics.

Oo! Oo! I can play this game.

Mario - 1: Is anybody here old enough to remember the travesty that was the Mario CD-i game? And how shamelessly it tried to distinguish itself as "a puzzle game" by changing the gameplay in between godawful animated cutscenes? I don't know why anybody cares about this character after that one terrible game. Mr. L is a much better fit for a Luigi clone.

 

[Deleted member]

I kind of remember that, but to be sure, what is that?

The fake NX controller.

 

[Wambo]

I just had a thought. It has to be fake.
Goemon is not on it. We ALLLLL know Goemon has to be in the game. He is just to awesome not to be.

I don't know if you're being serious, but I'd legit be all-in for Goemon DLC if Geno and Banjo are actually both in. It'd be even more likely, seeing as we already have 4 Konami characters in the game.

 

[Inawordyes]

For what it's worth (and I'm at work and can't go grab the Tweet, but someone did post it earlier), Spawn Wave said in a reply to someone else that Incineroar was missing but that there was someone else missing too. So for everybody getting down in the dumps about Incineroar, there's still a chance.

Imagine if the final reveal isn't Kencineroar but Insoraroar.

EDIT: This tweet:

Incineroar is one, but I'm referring to a different character.

— Spawn Wave (@SpawnWaveMedia) October 24, 2018

Okay what does he know?

 

[Fenriraga]

I feel like a lot of leakers may have been fed false information for obvious reasons.

I mean, even Verge didn't predict K. Rool and some of the echoes. Some could be being fed false information, or have a sour source. I don't think any leaker out there knows the entire, "finalized" roster.

 

[Onua]

This is just ESRB 2.0 lol
I BET you a lot of ppl claiming its fake rn will look back and cringe just like what happened with the ESRB leak

 

[Luigi The President]

That roster leak seems like absolute nonsense. It's basically "Every requested/suspected/leaked character, plus a couple that were cut/considered for previous games. Anyone could put that together.

Also, that's probably way too many characters. Sakurai explicitly said that we should expect the character announcements to decrease, as though to say that the August Direct gave a false impression due to how packed it was. He said at E3 "Don't expect too many new fighters," and then two months later gives us five (with three Echo Fighters), which probably only left a few remaining reveals, but gave the impression that the next Direct would probably have just as many fighters, which is unlikely.

I'm reminded of the "codename" leak that was basically the same thing, just with more flair. The codename leak also had way too many characters, and they were all the obvious picks. Not that that's unbelievable, since this game has generally been going for obvious picks anyways, but there's no way all of them are going to make it like in this leak. Ashley got deconfirmed, after all.

Reminder: the number of newcomers for each game was 14 in Melee, 18 in Brawl, and 15 in Smash 4 (not counting Echoes and DLC). Right now we're at 9 newcomers, 4 of them Echo Fighters (with a more work put into them than those in Smash 4). I doubt we're going to get more than 3 more fully new characters at most.

That "leak" isn't impossible, I just don't think it's very likely.

Consider what we would've thought of "all veterans plus K. Rool, Ridley, Chrom, and Dark Samus" back in the day.
I don't know why people keep bringing up "it's all the requested and suspected characters", seeing as that's a lot of what we've gotten so far. This is clearly the game where we're gonna get that.

 

[CannonStreak]

The fake NX controller.

Thought so. Thanks. That clearly wasn't the final controller. Maybe a prototype?

 

[Starbound]

I kind of remember that, but to be sure, what is that?

Supposed to be a prototype NX/Switch controller

 

[MainJPW]

I kind of remember that, but to be sure, what is that?

NX controller.

‘D

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Here is leak review's coverage of the leak, btw.

⚠️WARNING: LIKELY REAL, COMPLETE SMASH ROSTER LEAK AHEAD.⚠️
If you do not want spoilers, run now.

I will be posting the supposed leak in a Google Doc to avoid the preview showing up on Twitter, but the internet will have blown up by tomorrow anyways. You've been warned.

THREAD

— Leak Review (@LeakReview) October 24, 2018

 

[Majora's Visage]

Ok, assuming this leak is real, what are your expectations/desires for DLC now?

Mine are:
-Paper Mario
-Dixie Kong
-Impa
-Bandana Waddle Dee
-Medusa
-Rex/Pyra/Mythra
-Spring Man
-Pokemon
-3rd Party

Bonus: With these many 3rd Party reps, do you think DLC will add even more like in Smash For, or will it be mainly 1st Party?

Skull Kid
Pokemon Gen8
Byleth or Edelgarde
Rex&Pyra or Elma
Marx or Waddle Dee

3rd Party:
Sora

 

[Deleted member]

Just to play devils advocate, how do we know that the leaker does work at bamco but decided to fake it anyways to get notoriety?

 

[Luigi The President]

Maybe Incineroar was leaker bait?

Damn that'd be SUCH a weird pick for leaker bait too

 

[Deleted member]

Thought so. Thanks. That clearly wasn't the final controller. Maybe a prototype?

No.

The one who made it published a video showing how he created it.

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

That roster leak seems like absolute nonsense. It's basically "Every requested/suspected/leaked character, plus a couple that were cut/considered for previous games. Anyone could put that together.

Also, that's probably way too many characters. Sakurai explicitly said that we should expect the character announcements to decrease, as though to say that the August Direct gave a false impression due to how packed it was. He said at E3 "Don't expect too many new fighters," and then two months later gives us five (with three Echo Fighters), which probably only left a few remaining reveals, but gave the impression that the next Direct would probably have just as many fighters, which is unlikely.

I'm reminded of the "codename" leak that was basically the same thing, just with more flair. The codename leak also had way too many characters, and they were all the obvious picks. Not that that's unbelievable, since this game has generally been going for obvious picks anyways, but there's no way all of them are going to make it like in this leak. Ashley got deconfirmed, after all.

Reminder: the number of newcomers for each game was 14 in Melee, 18 in Brawl, and 15 in Smash 4 (not counting Echoes and DLC). Right now we're at 9 newcomers, 4 of them Echo Fighters (with a more work put into them than those in Smash 4). I doubt we're going to get more than 3 more fully new characters at most.

That "leak" isn't impossible, I just don't think it's very likely.

Guess I have to say it again.

If your only real qualm against it is 'it's more than I expected', you don't have a very good argument to call it fake.

Sakurai LIVES to overperform and surpass expectations. And for the millionth time, he said to expect less in both Brawl and Smash 4.

 

[bountyhunta87]

Because he clearly didn't expect it to get out like it did as evidenced by him deleting the video quickly after.

Snap chat vids auto delete 5 mins after upload and it looks like he was alone at the time so he could at the very least focus a photo intead of all this snap chat bs...

 

[mbvswb]

This is just ESRB 2.0 lol
I BET you a lot of ppl claiming its fake rn will look back and cringe just like what happened with the ESRB leak

I'm on team Hmmmm but couldn't the same be said about the opposite? Everyone defending it will look dumb if it turns out fake.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Well , that a good theme for Omegamon i think...

And if it realy is Omnimon , he maybe will be a villain as well...

How is Omnimon even remotely villainous? It's regal design and white colour scheme makes it look like some holy paladin if anything. Which is why Imperialdramon Paladin mode is well, white! Plus, a fusion of the mascot being a villain may not be too well-received, especially by people who watched the anime

 

[CannonStreak]

No.

The one who made it published a video showing how he created it.

So it wasn't a prototype? Why am I not surprised?

 

[Noipoi]

This is just ESRB 2.0 lol
I BET you a lot of ppl claiming its fake rn will look back and cringe just like what happened with the ESRB leak

Excuse me for being skeptical .

 

[Porygon2]

That roster leak seems like absolute nonsense. It's basically "Every requested/suspected/leaked character, plus a couple that were cut/considered for previous games. Anyone could put that together.

Anyone could put it together as a speculative list — fewer people could put it together in a feasible render, alongside another render of empty Battlefield, with details implying sensical links as to its origin through a French company, and with a couple of renders from other upcoming media.

 

[Deleted member]

The most likely third party characters for DLC are Sora and Crash.

 

[Luigi The President]

Snap chat vids auto delete 5 mins after upload and it looks like he was alone at the time so he could at the very least focus a photo intead of all this snap chat bs...

Understandable POV but you really should not rule it out simply because he didn't take an image

 

[Dcas]

That roster leak seems like absolute nonsense. It's basically "Every requested/suspected/leaked character, plus a couple that were cut/considered for previous games. Anyone could put that together.

Also, that's probably way too many characters. Sakurai explicitly said that we should expect the character announcements to decrease, as though to say that the August Direct gave a false impression due to how packed it was. He said at E3 "Don't expect too many new fighters," and then two months later gives us five (with three Echo Fighters), which probably only left a few remaining reveals, but gave the impression that the next Direct would probably have just as many fighters, which is unlikely.

I'm reminded of the "codename" leak that was basically the same thing, just with more flair. The codename leak also had way too many characters, and they were all the obvious picks. Not that that's unbelievable, since this game has generally been going for obvious picks anyways, but there's no way all of them are going to make it like in this leak. Ashley got deconfirmed, after all.

Reminder: the number of newcomers for each game was 14 in Melee, 18 in Brawl, and 15 in Smash 4 (not counting Echoes and DLC). Right now we're at 9 newcomers, 4 of them Echo Fighters (with a more work put into them than those in Smash 4). I doubt we're going to get more than 3 more fully new characters at most.

That "leak" isn't impossible, I just don't think it's very likely.

This, and this.

Its IMPOSSIBLE they are adding 5 newcomers in a single release, 7 if you count echoes...all of those are fan favorite since ages ago. The leak is super well made ill give her/him that but just analyze the barebones info we have and youll notice this leak makes no sense at all.

 

[Onua]

im just excited for the Mach Rider theme remix

 

[Ring-a-Sheep]

Just to play devils advocate, how do we know that the leaker does work at bamco but decided to fake it anyways to get notoriety?

Get notoriety for what? Losing his job and being known as the idiot that caused his own down-fall?

 

[Chrollo.]

I feel like a lot of leakers may have been fed false information for obvious reasons.

I mean, even Verge didn't predict K. Rool and some of the echoes. Some could be being fed false information, or have a sour source. I don't think any leaker out there knows the entire, "finalized" roster.

Yeah, assuming this isn’t real Verge also had no idea that Richter, Chrom, Daisy, and Dark Samus were in either. He also was told by one source Isabelle was gonna be an Echo. AND he has no idea who the Squeenix character is. I believe Verge has inside info and I’ve defended him before, but I’m pretty sure he himself has acknowledged Nintendo has been sending out false info concerning the roster, which is why he took so long to “confirm” Incineroar. This isnt even mentioning how Steve is another name who’s been legitimately rumored by some other insider on Reddit, and Verge said himself that his sources outside of Smash have been telling him Steve is in but his Smash sources insist otherwise.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Well what a thing to wake up too. I'm hoping that missing character is Lloyd. Or a 2nd Namco rep at least.

 

[N3ON]

Did I know I would wake up into a world where I can say "Oh look, Wendy's responded to the Grinch leak"?

No. But I'm glad to be here.

 

[Akg0001]

I would love this roster! A little bit weird dark samus is in and dixie kong is cut again... But who knows maybe dixie is dlc!

 

[Graizen]

How is Omnimon even remotely villainous? It's regal design and white colour scheme makes it look like some holy paladin if anything. Which is why Imperialdramon Paladin mode is well, white! Plus, a fusion of the mascot being a villain may not be too well-received, especially by people who watched the anime

He is a Royal Knight , and the RKs sometimes make bad things becouse Yggdrasil ordered.

Omnimon killed like milions of inocent Digimon in the X-Evolution Movie.

 

[Luigi The President]

This, and this.

Its IMPOSSIBLE they are adding 5 newcomers in a single release, 7 if you count echoes...all of those are fan favorite since ages ago. The leak is super well made ill give her/him that but just analyze the barebones info we have and youll notice this leak makes no sense at all.

It's IMPOSSIBLE they'd add ALL the veterans, Ridley, K. Rool, Chrom, Dark Samus, alongside 103 stages and over 800 pieces of music. This would NEVER happen.

Seriously. I think they can pull off a few more newcomers.