Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[monadoboy]

People hate smash players enough as it is, to the point where i don't actually play other fighting games solely because i dont want to get into a community and then tell them i play smash as well, having the most hated video game by edgy teenagers in smash will just amplify that tenfold.

It's not a big deal.
I should know, I play and want Fire Emblem characters in every Smash.
I can't even profess my love for Lucario online because "ew fUrRieS anD furRy BAIT"

 

[Camc10]

We've been used to that since Capcom stopped using sprites

This is Nintendo/Namco though. If you are using SF4 Ken with his SFV hairstyle, how could you mess up this badly.

Also on Steve, not a point against him, but wouldn't Steve need to have alts of the other skins in Minecraft as well? And that that point, would it really be Steve since he is just a specific Skin?

 

[volbound1700]

I think Minecraft Story Mode steve is creepy as sin too, but a lot of people's arguments here are "Minecraft is played by kids and i hate kids these 12 year olds are cringy!!!" like getting mad at kids for playing video games doesn't make you look pathetic.

My main concern is the guys who hate minecraft getting on my *** for playing smash just because steve is there, which is less a problem with steve as it is the guys who hate minecraft

No people are mad because they know Steve was put in over characters like Tails, Banjo-Kazooie, and Rayman which people actually want.

 

[DarkFalcon]

Objectively correct, my dude.

DarkFalcon Is that sarcasm or legit anger?

Neither. Slight annoyance. I love cats.

 

[Deleted member]

We've been used to that since Capcom stopped putting any sort of effort into their fighting games.

Fixed that for you

Autobot N Nope. My dog is cuter than your cat.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Why have just dogs or cats when you can have something that's both?

 

[Noipoi]

Or you could be like me and not have a pet at all .

Spoiler

i've never known the unconditional love of an animal companion...

 

[monadoboy]

Spoiler: Cool.

This is one of the better Links I have seen play in a while (definitely added to playlist). First z-drop edgeguard I've seen actually kill.]

I've always played Link, but he felt like he was lacking something. I might return to my 64 main after all these years depending if Shulk still sucks. Nice.

This was a treat too. Seeing Ridley die that early to Link's f-air however only got me thinking me thinking bad DI or unexpected weight.

And it keeps getting better. Nice.

 

[volbound1700]

i don't get why everyone assumes that steve isnt getting a smash facelift?

Yeah... simont model emulates perfectly the way Simon walk... but is not 2 friggin frames.

Sakurai managed to make Pacman both classic and interesting.. and managed to make duck hunt dog interesting...

Yeah, he can make him interesting.

How can you defend him over Banjo-Kazooie (who he would be replacing).

 

[ChocolatGelgato]

No people are mad because they know Steve was put in over characters like Tails, Banjo-Kazooie, and Rayman which people actually want.

Look man, I've been waiting for Banjo ever since I completed melee and wondered why game and watch was there but banjo wasn't, i've been waiting for rayman ever since they revealed snake for brawl. I've actively ranted on this thread before about how Bayonetta totally snubbed Rayman's spot. I know the pain, I just can't get too mad about it anymore.

If anything, we can start using steve as an excuse to talk as much about banjo for smash dlc as we can, if MS is already there, that's half the battle, right?

 

[Iridium]

This would definitely be my pet (companion):

As long as Ganondorf stays away.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Thst Ken leak is rather good. The whole foot clipping is a nice touch. That Steve one on the other hand has a lot wrong with it. If these two are confirmed from the same person then I think they'll both have to be buried.

Besides if Steve did get in I imagine Sakurai would come up with a newer design for the character. I don't really see him getting in as that blurry face block character.

 

[volbound1700]

Look man, I've been waiting for Banjo ever since I completed melee and wondered why game and watch was there but banjo wasn't, i've been waiting for rayman ever since they revealed snake for brawl. I've actively ranted on this thread before about how Bayonetta totally snubbed Rayman's spot. I know the pain, I just can't get too mad about it anymore.

If anything, we can start using steve as an excuse to talk as much about banjo for smash dlc as we can, if MS is already there, that's half the battle, right?

Perhaps or do we get Masterchief instead.

 

[CosmicQuark]

This is Nintendo/Namco though. If you are using SF4 Ken with his SFV hairstyle, how could you mess up this badly.

Also on Steve, not a point against him, but wouldn't Steve need to have alts of the other skins in Minecraft as well? And that that point, would it really be Steve since he is just a specific Skin?

As much as I (now in my head) **** on Steve, the only redeeming quality of having Steve in Smash is because you could get interesting skins of characters, both of Smash characters and those who aren't in, which would probably in some ways be more interesting than Mii Fighter costumes.

But as DLC, B&K's first in line

 

[DarkFalcon]

I've expressed my reasons against Steve before. It has nothing to do with Minecraft as a game or the fanbase. Steve in generic as hell. I don't care about how unique he could be when the character itself is meant to be a blank slate of nothing. You can't convince me to be excited or happy about Steve. Trying to get me to be excited about a character based on play style alone won't do it. I like actual characters.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I've expressed my reasons against Steve. Before. It has nothing to do with Minecraft as a game or the fanbase. Steve in generic as hell. I don't care about how unique he could be when the character itself is meant to be a blank slate of nothing. You can't convince me to be excited or happy about Steve. Trying yo get me to be excited about a character based on play style alone won't do it. I like actual characters.

He is generic indeed. I mean what's so appealing about a normal looking guy all blocky? Soooo unique amIriteorwut!?

What do people even see in that?

Sakurai is much smarter then this. He'd have to be aware more people wants Banjo then Steve.

 

[AlphaSSB]

This was a treat too. Seeing Ridley die that early to Link's f-air however only got me thinking me thinking bad DI or unexpected weight.

Enjoyed the match, but was admittedly focused more on the background.

Never saw too much clear footage of Lylat Cruise, myself, but damn. That stage looks gorgeous. Glad it was visually upgraded along with Corneria and Venom.

 

[monadoboy]

This would definitely be my pet (companion):

As long as Ganondorf stays away.

Speaking of, Volvagia would be a neat boss in Smash. Kind off like Rayquaza, but more fireballs falling from the sky and majestic fire mane.

 

[Iridium]

Enjoyed the match, but was admittedly focused more on the background.

Never saw too much clear footage of Lylat Cruise, myself, but damn. That stage looks gorgeous. Glad it was visually upgraded along with Corneria and Venom.

And no tilting makes it better for competitive play too! I'll look forward to Venom the most, since I never exactly played Melee, and Wolf still too.

Edit: Without hazards, of course.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Thst Ken leak is rather good. The whole foot clipping is a nice touch. That Steve one on the other hand has a lot wrong with it. If these two are confirmed from the same person then I think they'll both have to be buried.

Besides if Steve did get in I imagine Sakurai would come up with a newer design for the character. I don't really see him getting in as that blurry face block character.

I think Steve is from a different person.

However, the link to the leak was never given :I

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'm still convinced that were probably only getting a Minecraft stage and that's about it. That or an assist trophy.

 

[DarkFalcon]

He is generic indeed. I mean what's so appealing about a normal looking guy all blocky? Soooo unique amIriteorwut!?

What do people even see in that?

Sakurai is much smarter then this. He'd have to be aware more people wants Banjo then Steve.

Maybe for the hardcore fandom, but I'd wager more kids know and care about Minecraft more than Banjo unfortunately.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Maybe for the hardcore fandom, but I'd wager more kids know and care about Minecraft more than Banjo unfortunately.

Banjo though scored pretty high in the ballot. He's in the top three of both Japan and U.S. That should say something.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Speaking of, Volvagia would be a neat boss in Smash. Kind off like Rayquaza, but more fireballs falling from the sky and majestic fire mane.

Don't forget the most important part where he borrows through lava tunnels.

Nothing like a good ol' game of Wack-a-Dragon to pass the time, amiright?

 

[Lyndis_]

If Steve is in, I really hope he uses more than just a sword. I feel it would be wasted potential to make him primarily a sword fighter, honestly.

Go like Villager and use as much stuff from MC as possible. Give me pistons, Elytra, blocks and TNT as parts of his moveset.

Minecraft is a game about manipulating the world, so I feel he would work best as a stage control character. You could have obstacle blocks opponents could break, or pressure plate traps that function like Snake's old landmine. So much potential.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

This is Nintendo/Namco though. If you are using SF4 Ken with his SFV hairstyle, how could you mess up this badly.

Also on Steve, not a point against him, but wouldn't Steve need to have alts of the other skins in Minecraft as well? And that that point, would it really be Steve since he is just a specific Skin?

It looks more like SF3 Ken however, it's kinda weird.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Minecraft is a game about manipulating the world, so I feel he would work best as a stage control character. You could have obstacle blocks opponents could break, or pressure plate traps that function like Snake's old landmine. So much potential.

Hope your right on that. Steve if he is to appear should just be a stage character or assist trophy.

Another reason I'm convinced he's not in is because I'd imagine it being really hard to animate him with Smash's graphics.

 

[Camc10]

As much as I (now in my head) **** on Steve, the only redeeming quality of having Steve in Smash is because you could get interesting skins of characters, both of Smash characters and those who aren't in, which would probably in some ways be more interesting than Mii Fighter costumes.

But as DLC, B&K's first in line

That's the other thing, you don't need Steve for that. You could have Minecraft Mario or Jesse from Minecraft Stories and nothing that big would change.

 

[TheKnight]

I actually wouldn't mind Steve as a playable fighter at all.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I don't get these Steve arguments.

"He's not unique"

Being the only blockhead in the game isn't unique...? What about Mr. Stick Figure?

"He's not an icon"

He's been around since 2009, Minecraft's developers always releasing updates, and recently still get's updates at least one-to-two times a year. Not to mention, nearly everyone knows who Steve is in relation to Minecraft, and Minecraft itself, while most love the game. To combine this and the previous argument, same can be said for Villager / Animal Crossing Guy. Yes, Steve is third-party, but it just shows that if Sakurai wants a playable rep for these sorts of games, he'll choose the player character.

"No association with Nintendo"

Granted, his first appearance on a Nintendo system was in 2015, but he still made his way to the 3DS and Switch, and Nintendo seems to love Minecraft, while also giving it its very own Creeper-themed 2DS.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I don't get these Steve arguments.

"He's not unique"

Being the only blockhead in the game isn't unique...? What about Mr. Stick Figure?

At the same time though he looks like an average guy but blocky. I don't get what's so appealing of that.

 

[DarkFalcon]

I don't get these Steve arguments.

"He's not unique"

Being the only blockhead in the game isn't unique...? What about Mr. Stick Figure?

"He's not an icon"

He's been around since 2009, Minecraft's developers always releasing updates, and recently still get's updates at least one-to-two times a year. Not to mention, nearly everyone knows who Steve is in relation to Minecraft, and Minecraft itself, while most love the game.

"No association with Nintendo"

Granted, his first appearance on a Nintendo system was in 2015, but he still made his way to the 3DS and Switch, and Nintendo seems to love Minecraft, while also giving it its very own Creeper-themed 2DS.

I don't know what you're seeing but my arguments against Steve are none of those.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Speaking of, Volvagia would be a neat boss in Smash. Kind off like Rayquaza, but more fireballs falling from the sky and majestic fire mane.

If we want to canonize someone from Hyrule Warriors...

God he's such a badass. I love Volga.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Steve would totally stand out from the current roster in the same way that Mr.Game&Watch does. His movement and artstyle would be janky in a way that matches no one else in the game. For that alone he'd be a unique fighter.

 

[Darkraid]

One thing on my mind since smash 4. Was the palutena screenshot leak real?

 

[Lyndis_]

At the same time though he looks like an average guy but blocky. I don't get what's so appealing of that.

I wouldn't consider his appearance a defining trait that makes him appealing. It's largely irrelevant to why people would want him.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I still don't see how they can animate Steve with these graphics. That's the most difficult thing of seeing him being a playable character.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

One thing on my mind since smash 4. Was the palutena screenshot leak real?

No. There was a Mario star symbol on her jewelry that’s not in the final version.

Plus, I think after Palutena was confirmed, the leaker came out and said it was fake and showed the assets.

 

[Camc10]

I'm just realizing. What would Steve's walk/run be anyway?

 

[TheCJBrine]

I don't know what you're seeing but my arguments against Steve are none of those.

I'm seeing these sorts of arguments from others.

There's also the stiff-animation and "ugly" arguments, which could be alleviated by letting his limbs move in more directions and using the official art design. It wouldn't be the first time his arms extended outwards or flailed around in official content.