ignore the time constraint bull**** the point of this is to make the UK scene more competitive.
can you not see that having a top 8 means that potentially 4 of the places are up for the taking, it gives people something to aim for, then fight to keep once they have it.
Unfortunately, time is a big issue at this event. We can't ignore it.
if you have a top 4 then since no one defeated any on in the top 4 for ages it means there are 0 places up for the taking giving people no motivation to do better and keep there spot because nothing will change.
That's really their problem, and you are making it seem like there is nothing they can do about it. There's no reason to give 4 free bracket spots to people who don't deserve them (j3ly/smakis are debatable).
The reason why the other 4 don't deserve it currently is because we're basing it off unreliable rankings, there haven't been enough events for top 8 to work. It would be more reasonable after we've had more of these events, but for the time being I believe using 8 is not realistic.
the "good enough" is based purely on what they got last time. that is where the competitive aspect comes in. your just mad at the moment because its people picking the top 8.
I covered this in the point I just made.
I've stated multiple times that I don't believe I should be in the top 8, nor do I want to, I enjoy pools and I think that any position out of the top 4 in our community is meaningless so these spots don't even hold value to me. Don't misunderstand me, my personal feelings aren't included in this.
edit: I don't like top 6 but as long as its top 8 from the next and its the top 8 from this event who get the places, then it dose not really matter.
jolteon having just written this then I was the idiot if you where happy about top 8 after this tourney once we have an 8 to go from.
I don't really understand this bit.
It is hoever difficult to configure this in a "fair and just" way for the first tournament, but as beast said it will work itself out after this one.
So for this tournament in particular we should limit the free bracket spots, no? This way the people who want a spot in the top 8 for the next tournament have a good chance to play for one at this event, rather than being screwed over by who we assume is top 8.
Top 6 sounds like crap, I think if we're doing anything outside the top 4 then we do 8. It's either or as all the players in there are beatable anyway, and this isn't even the point. The point is to set it up so we have a working, more competitive system.
6 happens to work quite well in comparison to 4 for this event since we DO have time issues for this event, and 5 pools happens to work very nicely with 5 tvs.
And I've only briefly read people's posts on the page before, but it seems that mostly there is some kind of upset over the idea that 4 people who are not markedly better than the rest of the community should get a free ride at this tournament. Why are we not just looking to the placings at GT4 to decide the lower top 4? It's simple and solves the problem. Whine all you like but you'll have to fight to get into the top 8 and that's what makes it interesting.
This is a good solution, but I think it would only work if we came up with this at GT and mentioned to people what value their bracket positions would hold in future.
Also what will the stage ruling be for this tournament?
I actually think the BEAST stages were pretty good. We've trialled them at monthlies before and it just makes more sense. PS as counterpick and that's it.
FoD vs PS = no argument in which is more neutral imo. PS has multiple forms, 2 of which have shine infinite areas for fox and gayness for lots of situations (broken ****ty ledges, windmills etc). FoD has....duh duh duh....moving platforms. Surely that's less unfair than loads of weird transformations?
I do agree with you as I've stated many times before. The way it affects match-ups shouldn't even be considered, that's just part of the match-ups themselves, we should base it on exactly how balanced the stages are.
Well either way, both stages suck as a neutral so it's not a big deal to me.
BUT in terms of VA's other post I think it's just one of them things which should be attempted because that's the only way we're going to learn and improve in terms of what system to use.
I don't think top 8 is out of the question just because those people aren't as untouchable as the top 4.....even though we COULD still do top 4 at the next monthly due to us having more TV's to ourselves which COULD be better (Maybe this monthly might reveal something making Top 8 more questionable)
But just as long as we get a turn at using this system then I am happy.
Yes, I think trialling systems is the best way to decide what works best (if you recall I experimented with doubles at one of the previous tournaments and also with doing doubles second at a brawl event), but really for
this event specifically I can already tell why top 8 won't work.
you should try lateral thinking sometime, it works wonders XD it's the same in both games silly
as for melee stages, surely the difference between YS, BF and DL is so insignificant it shouldnt really make a difference, the stages are practically the same with the 3 platform setup with minor differences such as blast zone. forgive the ignorance but i really dont need to state the other differences
although i would have thought peach would do well on DL as her broken recovery can be used to its full potential with the large blastzone
Peach has a much easier time cornering people on smaller stages, DL64 gives fast characters with a projectile a much easier time getting out of ledge traps, moving around her and just camping the crap out of her in general.
