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I took a survey over on the smash bros subreddit, so I thought I'd post the results here
I conducted a survey earlier today, and I thought I'd analyze the data now that the polls are calming down.
Go here
General
It seems that about 3/4 of us want to play smash bros competitively. About 3/4 of people will be playing both versions, and of the people who are only going to play one, it is slightly going to favor the Wii U version.
Stage Legality
For determining stage legality, the majority of people want to start with a large stage list, and slowly cut off any stages that can't work competitively. Of the rest, most think we should have a medium size stage list of about 5 neutrals and 4 counter picks. More people would rather have a huge stage list than a really small one though.
Stage Features
Of opening up to new stages, 37% of people would be willing to analyze each walk off stage, and ban accordingly. 27% of people would be would be for having stages with temp. walk-offs like Skyloft legal. About a tenth of us are willing to give in to Gaur plains because of the soft platform walkoffs. About 1/5 of people are willing to stick to no walk-off just like old times.
For moving stages, the majority of people are all for stages like Prism Tower and Skyloft. Nothing else major came out besides that.
So 2/5 of the community thinks that nonintrusive hazards are fine. This is really subjective and could range from the fish is Reset Bomb Forrest to the Cars on Rainbow Road. Then people who think hazards add depth to the game make up slightly more than people who want static stages with no hazards. This means that about a quarter of people want to see players learn stages and use the hazards to their advantage to win.
Legal Stages
For this, I made it optional to choose what stages you wanted. This means that smaller numbers actually mean a larger percent of people. Also a lot of people chose to only answer with Battlefield and Final Destination; this contradicts earlier, which means most people probably weren't that familiar with stages due to a lack of footage. The data is even more skewed because of this. About 85% of people responded to the 3DS one, and 75% to the Wii U one. I'm going to tier based off the data to see which stages will likely be playable
3DS
The was a drastic drop in acceptance of stages, going from about 60% to about 30%. This is likely due to lack of footage on most of these.
Tier 1
Final Destination
Battlefield
Arena Ferox
Prism Tower
Yoshi's Island
These are almost non-debatable.
Tier 2
Tomodachi Life
Tortimer's Island
Boxing Ring
Mute City
Gaur Plains
Corneria
Jungle Japes
These are highly likely to be legal, except maybe the melee stages that were previously banned.
Tier 3
Rainbow Road
Brinstar
Magicant
Reset Bomb Forrest
Paper Mario
This is probably a good starting place for what stages we should seriously consider for legal play
Tier 4
Dream Land
Unova Pokemon League
Spirit Train
Pac Maze
Find Mii
Every stage after this basically what we can eliminate immediately for legality
Wii U
The Wii U stagse we have seen have had a much better reaction than 3DS stages. Only 3 stages fall below 20%, and less people have answered this questions
Tier 1
Final Destination
Battlefield
Town and City
These stages had over half the people say they should be legal, and for obvious reasons.
Tier 2
Skyloft
Halberd
Pilot Wings
Kalos Pokemon League
Castle Siege
So 2 of these stages were legal in Brawl, so thats good. Skyloft was above 50% for a while, but just dipped to 49% when I took these results.
Tier 3
Coliseum
Boxing Ring
Gaur Plains
Great Fox
Pyrosphere
Its interesting to note that Gaur Plains had more results on the 3DS, most likely because people think Metal Face will be a Stage Boss. Pyrophere will likely have Ridley as a boss, so it might get banned. Great Fox is also probably off the idea that its just Corneria
Tier 4
Mario Galaxy
Wii Fit Studio
Garden of Hope
Windy Hill Zone
Mushroom Kingdom U
These are likely stages. Legality is probably more to do with camping on these stages, since 2 have walk-offs, 2 are pretty big. Mushroom Kingdom U has the spikeball stage hazards.
Tier 5
Palutena's Temple
Wily Castle
Pac-Land
I decided to put the bad stages this time because there were only 3. Wily Castle and Palutena's Temple were actually pretty close to 20%, but Pac-Land was under 10%
Conclusion
So thats it, it looks like we got a pretty good stage list this time around. The community seems pretty open to trying new things, and I hope Smash 4 gets a health meta-game because of this.
I conducted a survey earlier today, and I thought I'd analyze the data now that the polls are calming down.
Go here
General
It seems that about 3/4 of us want to play smash bros competitively. About 3/4 of people will be playing both versions, and of the people who are only going to play one, it is slightly going to favor the Wii U version.
Stage Legality
For determining stage legality, the majority of people want to start with a large stage list, and slowly cut off any stages that can't work competitively. Of the rest, most think we should have a medium size stage list of about 5 neutrals and 4 counter picks. More people would rather have a huge stage list than a really small one though.
Stage Features
Of opening up to new stages, 37% of people would be willing to analyze each walk off stage, and ban accordingly. 27% of people would be would be for having stages with temp. walk-offs like Skyloft legal. About a tenth of us are willing to give in to Gaur plains because of the soft platform walkoffs. About 1/5 of people are willing to stick to no walk-off just like old times.
For moving stages, the majority of people are all for stages like Prism Tower and Skyloft. Nothing else major came out besides that.
So 2/5 of the community thinks that nonintrusive hazards are fine. This is really subjective and could range from the fish is Reset Bomb Forrest to the Cars on Rainbow Road. Then people who think hazards add depth to the game make up slightly more than people who want static stages with no hazards. This means that about a quarter of people want to see players learn stages and use the hazards to their advantage to win.
Legal Stages
For this, I made it optional to choose what stages you wanted. This means that smaller numbers actually mean a larger percent of people. Also a lot of people chose to only answer with Battlefield and Final Destination; this contradicts earlier, which means most people probably weren't that familiar with stages due to a lack of footage. The data is even more skewed because of this. About 85% of people responded to the 3DS one, and 75% to the Wii U one. I'm going to tier based off the data to see which stages will likely be playable
3DS
The was a drastic drop in acceptance of stages, going from about 60% to about 30%. This is likely due to lack of footage on most of these.
Tier 1
Final Destination
Battlefield
Arena Ferox
Prism Tower
Yoshi's Island
These are almost non-debatable.
Tier 2
Tomodachi Life
Tortimer's Island
Boxing Ring
Mute City
Gaur Plains
Corneria
Jungle Japes
These are highly likely to be legal, except maybe the melee stages that were previously banned.
Tier 3
Rainbow Road
Brinstar
Magicant
Reset Bomb Forrest
Paper Mario
This is probably a good starting place for what stages we should seriously consider for legal play
Tier 4
Dream Land
Unova Pokemon League
Spirit Train
Pac Maze
Find Mii
Every stage after this basically what we can eliminate immediately for legality
Wii U
The Wii U stagse we have seen have had a much better reaction than 3DS stages. Only 3 stages fall below 20%, and less people have answered this questions
Tier 1
Final Destination
Battlefield
Town and City
These stages had over half the people say they should be legal, and for obvious reasons.
Tier 2
Skyloft
Halberd
Pilot Wings
Kalos Pokemon League
Castle Siege
So 2 of these stages were legal in Brawl, so thats good. Skyloft was above 50% for a while, but just dipped to 49% when I took these results.
Tier 3
Coliseum
Boxing Ring
Gaur Plains
Great Fox
Pyrosphere
Its interesting to note that Gaur Plains had more results on the 3DS, most likely because people think Metal Face will be a Stage Boss. Pyrophere will likely have Ridley as a boss, so it might get banned. Great Fox is also probably off the idea that its just Corneria
Tier 4
Mario Galaxy
Wii Fit Studio
Garden of Hope
Windy Hill Zone
Mushroom Kingdom U
These are likely stages. Legality is probably more to do with camping on these stages, since 2 have walk-offs, 2 are pretty big. Mushroom Kingdom U has the spikeball stage hazards.
Tier 5
Palutena's Temple
Wily Castle
Pac-Land
I decided to put the bad stages this time because there were only 3. Wily Castle and Palutena's Temple were actually pretty close to 20%, but Pac-Land was under 10%
Conclusion
So thats it, it looks like we got a pretty good stage list this time around. The community seems pretty open to trying new things, and I hope Smash 4 gets a health meta-game because of this.
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