SKTAR2 $50 MM Callout Thread: Seibrik vs Salem

[Sensei Seibrik]

we'll gw nine hammer for the stage list, i'd perfer sktar

but im down

 

[RaptorTEC]

Well like i said I don't mind the stage list anymore lol but I guess that works too. K it's settled ill see ya at SKTAR

 

[Elwood Cross]

Seibs and Lade don't mess this up!

 

[HRNUT (Honey Roasted)]

Mvd start making big moves

 

[Player -0]

SEIBRIK VS. SALEM HAPPENING NOW!
EDIT: SUPER HYYYPEEE, SEIBRIK WITH THE 3 GAMES COMEBACK!!!
Salem should've kept his Fedora!!!

 

[1000g2g3g4g800999]

That set was awesome.

 

[Djent]

My stream was lagging to the point of being unwatchable. Stupid ****ty overpriced-ass hotel internet. Thanks for the update though.

 

[Demna]

People are starting to know the zss MU pretty well...
Congrats seibrek for winning.

 

[clowsui]

Seibrik is just exceptionally good vs ZSS lol. Most MKs are still trash at the MU unless they're from FL or NY NJ and even still it's only the top players of each state

 

[Player -0]

My stream was lagging to the point of being unwatchable. Stupid ****ty overpriced-*** hotel internet. Thanks for the update though.

Mine was too lol, it actually helped for me to turn up the quality to 480p.
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Anyway Esam (Commentating, said this after) and M2K (In Stream Chat) both said that Seibrik is best by learning his opponent so it probably would've been better for Salem if he tried to finish it as early as possible.

 

[Exdeath]

Seibrik is just exceptionally good vs ZSS lol. Most MKs are still trash at the MU unless they're from FL or NY NJ and even still it's only the top players of each state

Seibrik played like garbage for the majority of the set. MK is awful for ZSS.

 

[clowsui]

I didn't watch cuz I have no Internet in my new home right now lol

Also I'd believe it, seibrik looked a little off when he played TO Joe also

 

[Dekillsage]

This set put me to sleep

Grats on winning Seibrek

 

[Exdeath]

I didn't watch cuz I have no Internet in my new home right now lol

Also I'd believe it, seibrik looked a little off when he played TO Joe also

Salem Side-Bed and Seibrik... did nothing and died. It was pretty painful to watch.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAElrPJL8CA&t=27m35s

 

[Engo]

Don't usually watch brawl videos but was gonna give it a chance since I kinda like Salem's style. 50 minutes though....

 

[Demna]

Salem Side-Bed and Seibrik... did nothing and died. It was pretty painful to watch.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAElrPJL8CA&t=27m35s

It was bad indeed, but tournament nerves get to you . I honestly can't believe Salem lost, other than this reason

Seibrik played like garbage for the majority of the set. MK is awful for ZSS.

, is there another major reason that led to Seibrik's victory?

 

[NickRiddle]

Because Seibrik shouldn't ever lose a BO7.

 

[Tesh]

no MK ever should

 

[Demna]

Because Seibrik shouldn't ever lose a BO7.

Is it because of Seibrik's mentality or the ability of MK to comeback?

no MK ever should

Don't you think you guys are overrating MK a bit? Salem, in my opinion, is of a higher caliber than Seibrek. Meaning that a character like MK shouldn't be the main reason for the world's best ZSS's defeat.

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

what ability of mk making a comback happened in game 7?


that was just me learning the player and his not adapting back fast enough


give credit where it's due and recognize when the character carries the player and when the player carries the character (i'm not claiming i carried mk, but im responsibile for winning that mm, not mk)

 

[Demna]

what ability of mk making a comback happened in game 7?


that was just me learning the player and his not adapting back fast enough


give credit where it's due and recognize when the character carries the player and when the player carries the character (i'm not claiming i carried mk, but im responsibile for winning that mm, not mk)

Well, you won that set. You played badly in the first game but somehow made a comeback and adapted, and I you're supposed to be credited for that. However, NickRiddle and Tesh, who both have superior knowledge of the MU are stating otherwise. I'm interested in hearing their point of view on the subject.

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

no, riddle wasn't saying i shouldn't lose a bo7 because mk, he was literally saying it because Seibrik


i'm really good at adapting

in the sense that

no i might not adapt the fastest (aka within one game like top players, at least not yet) but i adapt the strongest (i will learn in a few games what u will want to do in just about every situation) which is why i was able to do like 2 0-80 strings on salem game 7

 

[Demna]

no, riddle wasn't saying i shouldn't lose a bo7 because mk, he was literally saying it because Seibrik


i'm really good at adapting

in the sense that

no i might not adapt the fastest (aka within one game like top players, at least not yet) but i adapt the strongest (i will learn in a few games what u will want to do in just about every situation) which is why i was able to do like 2 0-80 strings on salem game 7

You did a good job on game 7. However, I'm curious on a specific occurrence in the set.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAElrPJL8CA&t=27m35s
Was this due to choking/being nervous? Or is there any other reason behind it?

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

i swear to ****ing god i pressed shield and my controller just said "nope"


thats why i reset my controller before every game idk it just decided it was my time i guess



thats why i dont get mad tho, theres too much **** that can randomly happen to get mad at it every time

 

[Demna]

i swear to ****ing god i pressed shield and my controller just said "nope"


thats why i reset my controller before every game idk it just decided it was my time i guess



thats why i dont get mad tho, theres too much **** that can randomly happen to get mad at it every time

What is your overall opinion on the set, on the ZSS vs MK Matchup, and on Salem as a player?

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

the set was ****ing phenominal

i'm so happy with how everything played out, win or lose

im very happy that it went to game 7, i perfer that over sweeping or getting swept, it made for a very very exciting set both to play but to watch for the viewers and for me to watch from home again and again

the mathchup imo is 6/4 but the issue everyone has when they see a matchup like that is "**** its not even i lose" but honestly

people always say matchups like that matter when its talking about two players of even skill

but if smash has taught me anything its this


in any ONE moment, two players are NEVER of equal skill

someone is always going to be better than the other by some degree

that being said 6/4 is def. still in the means of the better player winning

thats that

ZSS, and anyone else with a 6/4 mu on mk can def. win

it just takes being the more skilled player in that given set

if u lose you have no one to blame but yourself for not being that much better than your opponent



that being said, Salem is AMAZING

i think this set overall really did show the metagame of this given matchup at this given point in time


i always found it funny that out of any character, people seem to care the most about who the best ZSS is.


i think this is largely due to the skill gap between all the best ZSS's being actually really small

there are way more mk's around but people hardly argue who's the best one, they just look at results and agree with whatever happens


every ZSS player, and i've played every notable one, has something that they're better at than the other

Nickriddle is by far the best at being defensive and ****** airdodge habits

V115 has the quickest recoveries and i have a really hard time positioning myself the way i need to edgeguard him

Salem has the BEST pressure game with his fast/agressive/stylistic playstyle and is the best at ****** mk's for not airdodging as well as the best at handling mk's pressure and tornado

DRN however is like... the Mario of ZSS's

he's pretty good at all of these things

i'm not saying that is why he beat me, but if you end up seeing him beat me again, or placing really well at apex, don't be surprised

So right now i'll say this


there is no clear cut BEST ZSS, but there are clearly things that all ZSS's are best at

and if i were any of them i would be reading this and looking at what the other ZSS's are better than you at, and working on those things.

if your not the best at all of those things, you will never be the best ZSS

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

every ZSS player, and i've played every notable one, has something that they're better at than the other

Nickriddle is by far the best at being defensive and ****** airdodge habits

V115 has the quickest recoveries and i have a really hard time positioning myself the way i need to edgeguard him

Salem has the BEST pressure game with his fast/agressive/stylistic playstyle and is the best at ****** mk's for not airdodging as well as the best at handling mk's pressure and tornado

DRN however is like... the Mario of ZSS's

he's pretty good at all of these things

What about quiksilver?

And there's also the Japanese ZSSes that haven't come to North America yet.

 

[Demna]

the set was ****ing phenominal

i'm so happy with how everything played out, win or lose

im very happy that it went to game 7, i perfer that over sweeping or getting swept, it made for a very very exciting set both to play but to watch for the viewers and for me to watch from home again and again

the mathchup imo is 6/4 but the issue everyone has when they see a matchup like that is "**** its not even i lose" but honestly

people always say matchups like that matter when its talking about two players of even skill

but if smash has taught me anything its this


in any ONE moment, two players are NEVER of equal skill

someone is always going to be better than the other by some degree

that being said 6/4 is def. still in the means of the better player winning

thats that

ZSS, and anyone else with a 6/4 mu on mk can def. win

it just takes being the more skilled player in that given set

if u lose you have no one to blame but yourself for not being that much better than your opponent



that being said, Salem is AMAZING

i think this set overall really did show the metagame of this given matchup at this given point in time


i always found it funny that out of any character, people seem to care the most about who the best ZSS is.


i think this is largely due to the skill gap between all the best ZSS's being actually really small

there are way more mk's around but people hardly argue who's the best one, they just look at results and agree with whatever happens


every ZSS player, and i've played every notable one, has something that they're better at than the other

Nickriddle is by far the best at being defensive and ****** airdodge habits

V115 has the quickest recoveries and i have a really hard time positioning myself the way i need to edgeguard him

Salem has the BEST pressure game with his fast/agressive/stylistic playstyle and is the best at ****** mk's for not airdodging as well as the best at handling mk's pressure and tornado

DRN however is like... the Mario of ZSS's

he's pretty good at all of these things

i'm not saying that is why he beat me, but if you end up seeing him beat me again, or placing really well at apex, don't be surprised

So right now i'll say this


there is no clear cut BEST ZSS, but there are clearly things that all ZSS's are best at

and if i were any of them i would be reading this and looking at what the other ZSS's are better than you at, and working on those things.

if your not the best at all of those things, you will never be the best ZSS

Glad you enjoyed it. We had an argument in ESAM's thread regarding your desire to battle Salem out. No offence, but I thought you were an arrogant person who will face shameful defeat, I still did 4 games into the set. However, Salem had somewhat of a mental breakdown when you adapted and made correct choices and ultimately proved yourself as a player who knows how to edgeguard Zero Suit Samus, this changed my opinion towards you as a Metaknight player and a person in general. Keep up the good work.

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

I'm not ACTUALLY arrogant, I just put on that face to get the matches that I want to happen.

Although I will say i'm pretty confident to beat just about any player in a Bo7 (anyone outside of FL that is)

so i wouldn't mind making these $50 Bo7 mm's a thing I do at every national, just gotta find players brave enough to do it

 

[AfroQT]

No i'm the best.

 

[NickRiddle]

No, I'm the best! (in Michigan)

 

[AfroQT]

I think everyone in FL was the best in Michigan at some point.

 

[NickRiddle]

FL is the best Michigan.

 

[AfroQT]

We should merge.

 

[wWw Dazwa]

Although I will say i'm pretty confident to beat just about any player in a Bo7 (anyone outside of FL that is)

Bo7 my Young Link in Melee son

Good stuff in the money match btw! This is a set I really wanted to see at APEX and I'm glad it got the spotlight it deserved. Hitting game 7 was icing on the cake combo :D

 

[infiniteV115]

I'm the best!

 

[TheReflexWonder]

DRN, though.

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

i was really happy he beat me


i usually get some form of upsett when i lose but for some reason i was just really proud of him, especially given the circumstances for ZSS this weekend lol