This thread for discussion of the matchup against Kirby.
Just making this thread to keep things where they belong.
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Are we posting here yet?Match-up sucks
....That was easy
I really don't think that this MU is as bad as everyone is saying.
We don't have much against Kirby in this MU
I don't understand your assessment of matchups.Kirby shuts down a lot of tools that Sheik has...
It is a bad MU.I don't understand your assessment of matchups.
Generally if you've got no tricks, no outs, and no advantages, it's known as a bad matchup.
You know, I might be wrong, but an "MK vs Sheik" video doesn't belong in the Kirby MU discussion thread.
who cares, its awesomeYou know, I might be wrong, but an "MK vs Sheik" video doesn't belong in the Kirby MU discussion thread.
Needs moar chain.
Yeah You can go for it, but it won't happen much.I agree with you when it comes to patience. I do not thing you can reliably time them out though.
Saying that pretty much nulls the whole "MU Discussion" thing. It's the Sheik vs Kirby discussion, so we're supposed to talk about what they can do as Sheik to win. Saying "use another character" pretty much throws MUs out the window, since we can all just change to whatever character we know will win that's easy to learn and use.and if this mu is so bad take out that pocket high tear character that everyone has in a situation like this or just use your secondary
this mu is just that bad so they dont have much choiceSaying that pretty much nulls the whole "MU Discussion" thing. It's the Sheik vs Kirby discussion, so we're supposed to talk about what they can do as Sheik to win. Saying "use another character" pretty much throws MUs out the window, since we can all just change to whatever character we know will win that's easy to learn and use.
We also can't reliably fight Kirby either, I didn't mean to sound like timing out Kirby is Sheik's saving grace in this MU, it really isn't. However, in the absence of a safe approach, the smartest thing to do is run away.I agree with you when it comes to patience. I do not thing you can reliably time them out though.
If you have no relevant contributions then I suggest you simply stop posting here.this mu is just that bad so they dont have much choice
Huh very very interesting input ill try some of ur ideas out. I think it is very similar to the Mk MU only a few key differences.Hmm, I actually feel quite comfortable in this match up. The last Kirby I faced in tournament was t1mmy's, which I beat. I believe the biggest key to this match up is to always stay in the long-midrange zone and to take advantage of Kirby's awful air speed.
As, one of the Kirby mains said, always keep needles around. The reason being is that if Kirby starts a wall of bairs you can easily punish him if he's low enough (because bair lasts so long) or when he lands. All of Kirby's aerials last a fairly long time so I found the ideal strategy was to bait him in the midrange.
None of his aerials have a ridiculous amount of range so you can actually calmly walk in and out of the zone if need be (I think this is one case where I was walking a lot more than I was running). Because he hangs so long in the air I also was able to clip him with the second hit of u-tilt a lot (get used to doing this, this strategy is good against a lot of characters) and time a couple of dacuses in between his bairs (when he was walling) to kill him. To be honest, I don't think Kirby's approach options are that great, they're just very painful if they connect.
For the love of god, learn the range of his d-tilt (which trips and goes into fsmash), and fsmash. I don't think I got hit by a single forward smash in my match against t1mmy.
Overall, I feel like Kirby has the same strengths and weaknesses as MK (except for the chaingrab), just not to the same degree due to being a little slower, not having a lot of disjointed hitboxes, and fairly deliberate ko options (bair is usually hella stale if you have good di). Not saying it's Sheik advantage, but I don't think it's the worst thing either. It does require a very defensive mindset though.
Then again, I suck against Olimar so I'm dumb.