Serperior Support Thread- why support Serperior? Not for being a grass starter...

[pnkgoldcatpeach]

Okay, a lot of people immediately shoo away Serperior because "he is a grass starter that is only wanted to complete OCD"

I agree, that is a stupid reason to want Serperior, and the incorrect one.

Really, think about what Serperior has to offer, that is what Sakurai thinks when choosing characters


Serperior has a unique body type, if he were playable he would be the only serpentine/limbless character in the game! that would make him stand out from the rest of the cast, and he would not be generic.

As a grass type, he could also incorporate moves that no other cast member has. He could cause paralysis (slowing down the opponent), poison the opponent, and even use moves that leech opponents, hurting them and healing himself!! That screams unique and awesome!!

Another thing Serperior could do *this is gimmicky*
Serperior has contrary
imagine that in smash
instead of less damage for stale moves, he gets stronger
but also for rage, he gets weaker
he runs into a metal box, it is like he has the bunny ears, and vice versa
special smash







so please, support Serperior, not for the grass starter reason, but because of all that he could offer to the smash cast and help add to the game

 

[SSGuy]

Will Support.

Grass starters rule but I think she offers something extremely original to the roster.

 

[PKFreeze89]

Serperior is my fave Gen V starter but I think Sceptile is more fitting for Smash at the moment, I'd leave him for Smash 5 cause it will probably get released at the same time as the Unova remakes.

 

[pnkgoldcatpeach]

Serperior is my fave Gen V starter but I think Sceptile is more fitting for Smash at the moment, I'd leave him for Smash 5 cause it will probably get released at the same time as the Unova remakes.

ehh I don't think relevancy should matter too much...
Sheik in Melee, PKM trainer in brawl, Marth in Melee... ehhh dunno

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

I love Grass starters but hate the idea of Sceptile. If I had to support another Pokémon newcomer, it'd probably be Serperior.

 

[Wolfie557]

Much better than Sceptile.

 

[pnkgoldcatpeach]

Much better than Sceptile.

I love Grass starters but hate the idea of Sceptile. If I had to support another Pokémon newcomer, it'd probably be Serperior.

yes! agreed

 

[Marrow]

I dig it. Hidden Power side-B with random effects please

 

[Curious Villager]

Serperior is Superior to Sceptile.

(Sorry, I just couldn't resist. Plus Swampert man.....)

 

[pnkgoldcatpeach]

I dig it. Hidden Power side-B with random effects please

ooophhh yesss

Serperior is Superior to Sceptile.

(Sorry, I just couldn't resist. Plus Swampert man.....)

haha don't feel bad I say that all the time haha

 

[JBRPG]

To start making Serperior a more viable candidate, we shall look and study its various moves and its body design.

Some websites to get us started.

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-xy/497.shtml

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Serperior_(Pokémon)

 

[pnkgoldcatpeach]

To start making Serperior a more viable candidate, we shall look and study its various moves and its body design.

Some websites to get us started.

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-xy/497.shtml

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Serperior_(Pokémon)

I was thinking of a few moves, it doesn't have to be perfect iit can be inspired from grass types.

Such as giga drain, but the longer you charge it the more damage it does and the more you heal yourself (say you hit a 20% you heal 10%, like the games)

or an inspired move could be like toxic spikes, it lays out a trap and when an opponent walks over it they get poisoned for like, 10 seconds or so

Or body slam could paralyze opponents, idk there is a lot to choose from

 

[Braydon]

I don't think the body type is an advantage, I think it would be weird in smash, with him being long and short, plus he's really big, and would look really weird jumping.

 

[Wintropy]

I'd like to see what a serpentine fighter can do in Smash.

Holding onto the ledge with no limbs would be adorable, for starters~ :3

 

[JBRPG]

I'd like to see what a serpentine fighter can do in Smash.

Holding onto the ledge with no limbs would be adorable, for starters~ :3

If you look closely at Serperior's leaf at the sides, they are initially reduced to tiny hands, but since Serperior has a vine move, its arms can be used to grab ledges and possibly fighters.

 

[Wintropy]

If you look closely at Serperior's leaf at the sides, they are initially reduced to tiny hands, but since Serperior has a vine move, its arms can be used to grab ledges and possibly fighters.

I was hoping it'd grab hold of the ledge with its teeth.

So the Ivysaur tactic?

 

[pnkgoldcatpeach]

I was hoping it'd grab hold of the ledge with its teeth.

So the Ivysaur tactic?

oooh with its teeth would be cool...

it could have a tether recovery with vines then hold on with teeth

 

[Braydon]

@ pnkgoldcatpeach
No tethers...

 

[pnkgoldcatpeach]

@ pnkgoldcatpeach
No tethers...

what is wrong tethers?

 

[Braydon]

what is wrong tethers?

Hard for new players to get used to. I'm fairly sure that was the reason, but they've all been removed.

 

[Wintropy]

Hard for new players to get used to. I'm fairly sure that was the reason, but they've all been removed.

...Huh? Link, Toon Link and both Samuses all still have tether grabs.

 

[Braydon]

...Huh? Link, Toon Link and both Samuses all still have tether grabs.

No I mean tether up specials like ivysaur, ZSS, and, olimar had, the tether grabs are only one option for recovery so it's not so hard on new players, they just use the up special.

 

[Wintropy]

No I mean tether up specials like ivysaur, ZSS, and, olimar had, the tether grabs are only one option for recovery so it's not so hard on new players, they just use the up special.

Not sure if that would make a difference, though.

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of recoveries that are a lot more difficult to use than a tether.

But that's beside the point.

The point is, Serperior totally needs to grab the ledge with its teeth.

 

[Braydon]

Not sure if that would make a difference, though.

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of recoveries that are a lot more difficult to use than a tether.

No tethers are harder to land than any SSB4 up special, come on name one harder than a tether.

 

[Wintropy]

No tethers are harder to land than any SSB4 up special, come on name one harder than a tether.

It's not an issue of "harder", it's an issue of how effective it is. In my experience, tethers are extremely reliable if you're at all close to the ledge - the fact that they snap on automatically offers a significant advantage over certain other recoveries.

Bowser's, DK's, Diddy's, Doc's, Mac's, Lucario's, Luigi's, Pac-Man's, Greninja's and Pikachu's are all either woefully ineffective in the grand scheme of things or require a certain level of dexterity to perform well. Jigglypuff and Yoshi don't even have recoveries, you just have to make use of their jumps and what tiny momentum their up-b affords them.

 

[Braydon]

It's not an issue of "harder", it's an issue of how effective it is. In my experience, tethers are extremely reliable if you're at all close to the ledge - the fact that they snap on automatically offers a significant advantage over certain other recoveries.

No it is an issue if something is hard for newcomers to get used to that is taken into consideration, they want the game to be easily accessible to new players, hence no fricken tethers.

Plus the auto connecting thing could be a bit weird.

 

[Marrow]

It could work like a zair, with her normal grab also being a vine tether. For an up-B i was thinking Leaf Tornado, which lifts Serp up on a gust of wind imbued with leaves and thorns.

 

[pnkgoldcatpeach]

It could work like a zair, with her normal grab also being a vine tether. For an up-B i was thinking Leaf Tornado, which lifts Serp up on a gust of wind imbued with leaves and thorns.

I came up with a moveset for Serperior a while ago and was thinking the exact same thing, except I was picturing for leaf tornado basically being Charizard's recovery

 

[pnkgoldcatpeach]

do you guys use bumps here?

 

[Braydon]

do you guys use bumps here?

Don't see it really but I don't think it's forbidden, just don't bump it excessively.

 

[pnkgoldcatpeach]

Don't see it really but I don't think it's forbidden, just don't bump it excessively.

gotcha

 

[pnkgoldcatpeach]

I remember this thread

 

[AgentHX]

Heck yeah I support. Serperior was always my first pick for a grass starter in Smash due to its unique design and because it'd give some much needed recognition to gen 5.