Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Zhadgon]

Too bad that game is idea is a terrible one and it will never happen. Since Black & White versions we have basically had a "explore the world with your friends" mode.

I think what you are trying to refer to is "OMG! EXPLORE ALL DUH REGUNNSSS!!!"

Also, if Nintendo had these guns before, they would have played them on the GameCube when that console failed (despite being vastly superior to the Wii in terms of library, and having like 3 or 4 games better than the Wii's best game).

If Nintendo is so safe though, why has the Wii U been such a failure so far=??? And why doesn't Nintendoland, NEW SMB U, or Pikmin 3 have online=???

The problem with Nintendo is that they keep relying on Shiggy even though he isn't that great anymore (he should retire and live out and enjoy the rest of his life IMO), their top execs are too old and diluted, and they can't get any of the basics right.

Oh, and they don't trust Western Developers, which is why they lost a ton of Retro Studios' best staff to studios like 343 Games. Nintendo is literally shooting themselves in the foot in the West. If they were smart, they'd double Retro Studios' size in 5 years, rekindle up the old Rare top crew, and start a few studios in Europe before Sony and Microsoft kill them there with developers like they did in America.

Maybe the idea is not appealing to you but for many people will be a huge surprise and probably will put a lot of hype and be the next big thing in Pokemon Series (but all of that is a big if), anyway back to GameCube era it didn´t so well as one would expect (it has so many good games, for me is the most underrated console) but sales wise I think Nintendo didn´t lose money and even did make a little profit so no lose ends there, it was not the biggest hit but at least it was not the biggest failure (*coughVirtaulcoughBoycough*).

Not every game should have online to be great, but I need to say that at least Mario Party and the Mii games should start having it.

For the moment is really in a iffy situation for Nintendo with their execs but not only the Japanese ones the Europe and America branches are guilty as well, I can´t believe that Nintendo of North America haven´t change in 20 years their Advertising Company (don´t get me wrong I love Leo Burnette as an Ad Agency but when an ad agency is with a company for so many years the ad campaigns become stale and I think is what happening with Nintendo in North America).

I think the solution for Nintendo to get again the North America and Europe market would be develop games that are targeted for the specific region maybe watch how the Indie Studios grow in the eshop of Nintendo and the best ones could become second party and start developing some of the forgotten series of Nintendo, I think they would gladly accept the request, I´m looking to StarFox, F-Zero, Ice Climbers, Mach Rider and many more would get a nice boost to them and for the Indie Developers can get bigger if they do a nice work.

The fact you said Ubisoft is going to the bottom is laughable. You just listed off like 6 great IP's that are making tons of money, and you didn't even mention the Rabbids series, Splinter Cell, Rainbow Six, or Ghost Recon, all of which are great series (well minus the Rabbids).

Ubisoft is arguably the best and most well off third party in the world. Far Cry is better off then ever before. Assassin's Creed while hiccuping at III is still a strong and somewhat quality IP, Rayman has been nothing but amazing, Watch Dogs looks incredible, and Prince of Persia is always awesome.

If you wanted to fail hard, you just did. Seriously, you can't "milk off" Far Cry 3 and Rayman Legends if those games are THAT GOOD!!!

The Rabbids series are going strong even more than Rayman series (if I remember correctly) but Splinter Cell, Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon I don´t think they are going as strong as they were in the past (specially for all the competition from the last years with Call of Duty, Battlefield, Metal Gear Solid and your generic Military FPS that comes every year from other Studios) I don´t even think the Splinter Cell make that good in sales.


Like I say Far Cry is going strong with probably the most anticipated game of this year for many people Watch Dogs will become a huge series. The problem with Assassin´s Creed is that you listed only the third one as the hiccup but for many people Revelations and Brotherhood are the worst in the series so with this many games the series is starting to get stale and if the fourth entry is another hiccup I can say the next two entries will sold less than their counterparts.

Prince of Persia is one of the best series but the last two entries didn´t sell as well as Ubisoft did want and for the moment it seems that the franchise is in a slumber and seems that is not going to have a entry in the next years.

Far Cry and Rayman could be milked, like I say the same is happening with Assassin´s Creed but I will keep my reserve and watch what Ubisoft do in the next year.

.n_n.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Roy and Ike for me

 

[FinalStarmen]

Roy has teh phyre. (and also adds more variety in terms of just plain character.)

Can you please explain? I would more than interesting in listening, as I believe Roy does have untapped potential.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

1.) I think four is a perfect number, it's less than 1/10 of the roster and each character is a large videogame character.
2.) That's personal preference.
3.) It depends if Pokemon gets five reps, and it may happen, but considering I designed this roster with a cap of four, I picked the four most likely.



I thought it was because people over-exaggerate he has no personality.

I honestly wouldn't go as far to say that's personal preference. Unless you are referring to you having Shulk over Issac. And again, you can't cut just one character and also again, should have at least one Pokemon that's not Gen 1. It makes way more sense and like I said Lucario is too popular to drop now.

I actually wouldn't be SHOCKED if he got in over Mewtwo, but that's because Charizard got 2 Mega Forms and Lucario is from a different gen.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Roy has teh phyre. (and also adds more variety in terms of just plain character.)

And tell me kind sir, how does "teh phyre" add ANYTHING to Roy other then visual effects? =P

 

[Louie G.]

I just don't see why Ninten should be added in the first place - all he is is a clone/semi-clone of Ness. Do we really need that? besides, the Earthbound series really doesn't need all that much representation, because having 2 characters is already over-representing the series enough. Like I said before having the Earthbound series get more reps than Donkey Kong and Metroid is just wrong. Their far more important series to Nintendo than Earthbound so why should Earthbound get all the reps but Donkey Kong and Metroid don't? Just keep Ness and maybe Lucas.

Stay Ninten out of this - having 2 clone/semi-clone characters in the same franchise is... I don't know.....

You should be grateful we have Lucas instead of just Ness.

OH BOY SATURN VS DIVINE THE REMATCH EVERYBODY PLACE UR BETS.

 

[Zhadgon]

Alright, we'll settle for it just being Lucas for now, but if there's room we'll come back to debating Ninten and Porky?
.... Time for Fire Emblem:

Roy and Ike.
.n_n.

 

[Mabataki]

Well finally made a roster. kind of tried to be a little unique.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I actually wouldn't be SHOCKED if he got in over Mewtwo, but that's because Charizard got 2 Mega Forms and Lucario is from a different gen.

It's nice to keep optimism open, but as of now, considering Mewtwo is much more popular and important, including Lucario over Mewtwo is basically one of the worst business decisions you can do, especially since the demand for Mewtwo's return is eons above the want for Lucario's return.

Why not give Chrom an awesome moveset to not make him bland.

You're welcome.

 

[FinalStarmen]

OH BOY SATURN VS DIVINE THE REMATCH EVERYBODY PLACE UR BETS.

Let's not instigate bitter conflicts, now. Better to douse the flames with water than gasoline, I would preferably say.

 

[Louie G.]

Well finally made a roster. kind of tried to be a little unique.

Well it's unique, but putting all 3 final evolutions in is highly unlikely.
Or one for that matter.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Well finally made a roster. kind of tried to be a little unique.

Chrom+Lucina...
Wanted to be unique?
TOO BAD EVERYONE HATES YOU NOW! =P

 

[BluePikmin11]

Well finally made a roster. kind of tried to be a little unique.

You should Chesnaught, Greninja, and Delphox together as another 6th Generation trainer.
Other than that, it's a fine roster.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

OH BOY SATURN VS DIVINE THE REMATCH EVERYBODY PLACE UR BETS.

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You do realize I've had him on ignore since yesterday, right? The moderators don't like people baiting.

 

[Louie G.]

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You do realize I've had him on ignore since yesterday, right? The moderators don't like people baiting.

I didn't.
I kinda left after the argument grew stale.

 

[N3ON]

Please don't encourage arguments.

Well finally made a roster. kind of tried to be a little unique.

>Rayman
>Chrom and Lucina, no Ike
>All three Gen VI starters individually, no Lucario, no Trainer

I'd fix those things asap. Especially the starters. Chances are we won't get any of them, let alone all three, let alone all in their final stages, let alone individually. You're better off with the Kanto Trainer and one Gen VI Pokemon at most. Really, a Mega Evolution would suffice.

 

[Sid-cada]

Gods, while I do not desire to enter the ferocious jaws of the abominable beast... I feel I must.

Why is it that Chrom gets flaked for potentially being a Marth clone, but Roy, who was a Marth clone, gets off scot-free on that regard? I don't understand. Of course, I prefer Roy over Chrom personally (mainly due to nostalgia, though), but why the flagrant double standard over character move-sets?

Note: Can we please keep this accordingly civilized?

I'd think it'd be the similarities that bring Chrom down.

Even if Chrom were to get a unique move set, it's the problem of personality and contrast. Marth is the slow and graceful Prince, Ike the strong, unconventional Sell-sword, and Chrom... is mostly based off of their successes. Even if he was different, he wouldn't feel different, unlike brave Ness to cowardly Lucas, heroic Fox to cocky Falco and cold-blooded Wolf, or determined Mario to awkward Luigi.

Sakurai was right in saying that a fire-sword would make Roy more interesting- not only does it look cool, it also implies a supernatural element that Marth and Ike mostly lack. Even though his move set was cloned, Roy felt so different that people focused on that rather that what made them similar.

 

[Gene]

Says who? Not to mention in Brawl she had braided hair. Once you know she's a girl it's clear that she looks like girl.

So, braided hair makes you a girl?

 

[Gune]

Well, I made a new roster because I was bored, this one only having one cut because of trying to keep the cap at four for this specific roster.

So in total...35 veterans (Including Mewtwo) 12 newcomers (King K.Rool, Ridley, Chrom, Villager, Palutena, Takamaru, Little Mac, Shulk, Wii Fit Trainer, MegaMan, Pac-Man, Mii)

Yes, I know I have Pac-Man...boo hoo, cry some more.

A bit overboard with the third parties most I see is 3 so its either between snake or pacman, The only cut is Lucario kind of a kick in the crotch seeing as everyone else made it back and he deserved to return just as much as anyone elelse. Those are the only problems I have with it.

 

[MargnetMan23]

I'd think it'd be the similarities that bring Chrom down.

Even if Chrom were to get a unique move set, it's the problem of personality and contrast. Marth is the slow and graceful Prince, Ike the strong, unconventional Sell-sword, and Chrom... is mostly based off of their successes. Even if he was different, he wouldn't feel different, unlike brave Ness to cowardly Lucas, heroic Fox to cocky Falco and cold-blooded Wolf, or determined Mario to awkward Luigi.

Sakurai was right in saying that a fire-sword would make Roy more interesting- not only does it look cool, it also implies a supernatural element that Marth and Ike mostly lack. Even though his move set was cloned, Roy felt so different that people focused on that rather that what made them similar.

Robin guys, Robin. If Sakurai wants a new Fire Emblem rep and wants it to feel unique I wouldn't be surprised if he actually likes the idea =P

 

[TheLastJinjo]

It's nice to keep optimism open, but as of now, considering Mewtwo is much more popular and important, including Lucario over Mewtwo is basically one of the worst business decisions you can do, especially since the demand for Mewtwo's return is eons above the want for Lucario's return.

More popular sure, but not as much as you make it out to be. If Mewtwo was in Brawl with Lucario and you cut Mewtwo, THEN I'd see a terrible business decision. But, keeping a veteran Pokemon that's pretty close to that popularity and from a different gen seems like a great decision to me. I mean when asked about Mewtwo Sakurai said "We're thinking about it." I think this might suggest he is hesitant to cut the Pokemon we have now.

Only ONE cut and no post gen 1 Pokemon? Reversing the cuts made between Melee & Brawl? There's your bad business decision.

I kinda left after the argument grew stale.

Same here.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I wonder if Sakurai likes the idea of a trickster.

 

[Sid-cada]

Robin guys, Robin. If Sakurai wants a new Fire Emblem rep and wants it to feel unique I wouldn't be surprised if he actually likes the idea =P

Robin? ... Eh. If I absolutely must pick someone from Awakening, he would be my pick, but if I wanted a more diverse pick, I'm sticking with Anna.

 

[MargnetMan23]

More popular sure, but not as much as you make it out to be. If Mewtwo was in Brawl with Lucario and you cut Mewtwo, THEN I'd see a terrible business decision. But, keeping a veteran Pokemon that's pretty close to that popularity and from a different gen seems like a great decision to me. I mean when asked about Mewtwo Sakurai said "We're thinking about it." I think this might suggest he is hesitant to cut the Pokemon we have now.

Only ONE cut and no post gen 1 Pokemon? Reversing the cuts made between Melee & Brawl? There's your bad business decision.



Same here.

Why not? Gen 6 seems to be trying to get the genwunners back any way

 

[N3ON]

I wonder if Sakurai likes the idea of a trickster.

If Sakurai were to include Anna, it wouldn't be due to her moveset.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Right, cutting Gen 1 Starters when they are in Pokemon X & Y and an Anime starring the Gen 1 Trainer? I don't think so, my good man.

Why not? Gen 6 seems to be trying to get the genwunners back any way

And Lucario too. But, let's cut one of our most iconic Pokemon so we can have 8 Genwunners.

 

[Johnknight1]

Depends on whether or not Sakurai wants to get something other than another sword user for Smash 4

What is the deal with "too many sword users" arguments=???

Seriously, most of the development team just made f***ing SOUL CALIBUR, WHICH HAS TONS OF UNIQUE SWORD USERS!!!!

 

[BluePikmin11]

If Sakurai were to include Anna, it wouldn't be due to her moveset.

Yeah surely because of her importance to the FE series.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Yeah surely because of her importance to the FE series.

But, she ain't a lord

 

[Louie G.]

Well, I made a new roster because I was bored, this one only having one cut because of trying to keep the cap at four for this specific roster.

So in total...35 veterans (Including Mewtwo) 12 newcomers (King K.Rool, Ridley, Chrom, Villager, Palutena, Takamaru, Little Mac, Shulk, Wii Fit Trainer, MegaMan, Pac-Man, Mii)

Yes, I know I have Pac-Man...boo hoo, cry some more.

I know you're trying to keep the cap at four, but why? It's very likely Mario and Pokemon get bumped up to 5 this time around. I agree with your choice of Pac-Man, but I think you should cut Snake if anyone, not Lucario as the one and only cut. Snake makes sense as the only cut if one occurs. Add Paper Mario as the 5th Mario to make things even too.

 

[MargnetMan23]

What is the deal with "too many sword users" arguments=???

Seriously, most of the development team just made f***ing SOUL CALIBUR, WHICH HAS TONS OF UNIQUE SWORD USERS!!!!

How about this?

There are more Fire Emblem classes other then Lords so only using them as characters is a very lame way to represent what the series is all about.

There I sugar coated the argument, HAPPY?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Snake makes sense as the only cut if one occurs.

Nobody makes sense as the only cut. It really puts me to shame seeing rosters with only one cut (no offense to those makers, I just don't think they think about it much)

 

[Johnknight1]

inb4 Sinnoh is too big for Smash

Still more unique than Waluigi, Toad, Daisy, or pretty much every non-playable Mario character that isn't Paper Mario, Wart, or Bowser Jr.

 

[Louie G.]

Nobody makes sense as the only cut. It really puts me to shame seeing rosters with only one cut (no offense to those makers, I just don't think they think about it much)

Eh, I know, but Snake has a lot going against him.
I'd be surprised if he comes back really.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Still more unique than Waluigi, Toad, Daisy, or pretty much every non-playable Mario character that isn't Paper Mario, Wart, or Bowser Jr.

I'm going to call Hammer Bros as the new Mario rep. Why? So if by the slight chance that I'm actually right I can say, CALLED IT!

 

[Johnknight1]

Why not give Chrom an awesome moveset to not make him bland.

What would you base it on=??? Are you gonna steal moves from another better Fire Emblem character instead of Marth=???

 

[Hotfeet444]

More popular sure, but not as much as you make it out to be. If Mewtwo was in Brawl with Lucario and you cut Mewtwo, THEN I'd see a terrible business decision. But, keeping a veteran Pokemon that's pretty close to that popularity and from a different gen seems like a great decision to me. I mean when asked about Mewtwo Sakurai said "We're thinking about it." I think this might suggest he is hesitant to cut the Pokemon we have now.

Only ONE cut and no post gen 1 Pokemon? Reversing the cuts made between Melee & Brawl? There's your bad business decision.



Same here.

The one cut was done because I wanted to cap it off at four, and the "We're thinking about it" doesn't sound hesitant, it honestly sounds like what he'd say about any character, considering he can't just say "Oh yeah, definitely going to be in" or "Nah, we're not even going to try with that one".

Also, it's not as close as you think it is. Sure, Lucario is popular, but he's got a pretty far way to go to compete with Mewtwo, who not only had more years to build up popularity, but has never had his popularity die down, being very close, to not on par, with Charizard for the world's most popular pokemon, some even assume he'll surpass Charizard at some point, and it's possible. In short, the return of Mewtwo is a much more important than the return of Lucario. We're talking about a character who's topped Smash Bros polls time and time again, on both sides of the world, Sakurai knows what the fans want, and the fans want Mewtwo more than they do Lucario. I mean come on...it's Mewtwo, a mighty legendary pokemon.

I know you're trying to keep the cap at four, but why? It's very likely Mario and Pokemon get bumped up to 5 this time around. I agree with your choice of Pac-Man, but I think you should cut Snake if anyone, not Lucario as the one and only cut. Snake makes sense as the only cut if one occurs. Add Paper Mario as the 5th Mario to make things even too.

I don't expect the cap to stay at four, but I designed this roster as a "What if" for the rep cap staying at four. If it was five, I'd easily have Lucario and Bowser Jr. on my roster.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Eh, I know, but Snake has a lot going against him.
I'd be surprised if he comes back really.

I don't know what makes you think that at all. He has more going for him. "Oh, Snake's not as iconic as this guy!" Like that was the standard in Brawl, I didn't see Mega Man who's more iconic than Snake, or Pac-Man who's more iconic than Sonic. dat whymes!

The reasons people use for cutting Snake matter just as much as Brawl, meaning not at all.

 

[Johnknight1]

I agree with Noah. 2 cuts makes more sense that 1, unless that 1 was ROB (because nobody would care too much if ROB was cut).

Eh, I know, but Snake has a lot going against him.
I'd be surprised if he comes back really.

What does he have going against him other than being 3rd party=???

You can't argue "he's not popular enough" because he's arguably a bigger gaming icon than Mega Man (sales and the fact his series is actually getting new entries is proof of that).

He's also one of the most popular newcomers in Brawl, and Sakurai himself said he was a fantastic addition.

On top of that, he's one of the 2 or 3 best and most unique newcomers in Brawl in terms of how he plays. His zoning style changes how you play Smash Bros, which obviously is totally unique, and IMO is freaking awesome. If Brawl wasn't so camper friendly, I would love to play against him more (like I do in Project M).

Considering bout half of them have gigantic failures, I'd say cutting the failures would make more sense, especially since Sakurai has complained about the Pokémon Company, Game Freak, and Intelligent Games way more than Konami in terms of getting the rights to characters and franchises.

 

[BluePikmin11]

But, she ain't a lord

That's a stupid reason, you know that.