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Noah J. Linderer said:
I'll have to respectfully disagree that it IS a reason to discredit someone as a PLAYABLE character, and that most of these are not in my eyes or very many "worthy of being deemed a Nintendo All-Star" Muddy Mole, Prince Sable, and Lip. Also usually the only time a character gets in without move set potential is if Sakurai views the character as an essential All-Star (Fox & C. Falcon) to the point where it would be so necessary as to make up moves because of how important the character is to Nintendo OR making them a Semi-clone (Falco, Wolf, Luigi, 2nd Link). Just because a character has a full move-set doesn't mean it's good or unique from another character.

Take Magnus for example. What would he do other than weild a sword. Don't we have enough characters that just weild swords. He'd probably be an Ike clone. And Urban Champion doesn't have move set potential that would be unique from C. Falcon and Little Mac. Different doesn't always equal unique. And Sakurai stated in a recent interview that a lot of characters are picked when they have REALLY good move set potential.
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A key thing with those retro characters is the precedence set by the Ice Climbers. Sakurai chose them entirely based on their gameplay and moveset potential. IE, he thought a tagteam mechanic would be cool. With characters like Lip and Muddy Mole, they aren't as demanded by the fans, so they use their retro status/gameplay potential to give themselves a shot. Lip can easily have a lot of potential for mixups with the various block drops, and Muddy Mole can easily get a "stage control" moveset based on laying traps and digging around. So they're similar to the Ice Climbers' situation in that regard. That being said as well, would you really consider the Ice Climbers to be "Nintendo All-Stars?"
 
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Eh, I kinda came up with a moveset for Urban Champion based on his surroundings. Even though I love to hate Urban Champion, the game.


B: Lag Punch (a punch that delays your opponents input)
B-Down: Police-counter (he starts whistling, if you hit him, then a police car will ram you, like in Onett).
B-Up: Confetti explosion (his means of recovery)
B-Tilt: Flower Pot (throws a pot to opponent, leaving him in a "Flower" state).


But I agree, characters should have variety. Swords are, by now, almost as bland as punching+kicking. Unless they come up with a new style to use it, for exaample... Harmoknight, I think it was called, is based on rythmic strikes. (I know he doesn't use a sword, but it's an example). If you time things right, your hits get stronger overtime.
 
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Zoroark will be a clone? Of which character? (>_>)
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Didn't you hear? If you have 1 move the same as another it counts as a clone. Lucario is a clone of Mewtwo because he has the Auroa ball. That makes Ike a clone of Marth because he has counter and also a clone of Roy because of his B move. :troll:

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A key thing with those retro characters is the precedence set by the Ice Climbers. Sakurai chose them entirely based on their gameplay and moveset potential. IE, he thought a tagteam mechanic would be cool. With characters like Lip and Muddy Mole, they aren't as demanded by the fans, so they use their retro status/gameplay potential to give themselves a shot. Lip can easily have a lot of potential for mixups with the various block drops, and Muddy Mole can easily get a "stage control" moveset based on laying traps and digging around. So they're similar to the Ice Climbers' situation in that regard. That being said as well, would you really consider the Ice Climbers to be "Nintendo All-Stars?"
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Yes, because Ice Climbers was an NES Classic like Balloon Fight, I don't know many people who consider Muddy Mole or Lip classics of their console. And I agree Muddy Mole has enough move set potential, but I don't know if he's quite a priority.

Going back to Assist Trophies, usually characters become Assist Trophies when they are not prioritized as much as other characrters at the time (Issac, Little Mac.)

And as much as people would make good characters (and I applaud the previous move set posted for Urban Champion, That was actually pretty awesome.) There are some characters who are just ranked as Assist Trophies and should be made Assist Trophies to both make use of their fighting potential while at the same time making room for more prioritized and important characters.

But, don't get your nuts in a bundle if you disagree, this is just my view on things.
 
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Hotfeet444 said:
The better question is...how do we make a character whose main weapon is a gun work all-together in a game like this? Snake uses guns but he was specifically designed to use anything BUT guns. I'm just questioning whether they'd use a character like this in general.
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Since he is a cartoon sheriff I could see them getting around it with a pop gun.
 
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I would definitely call Prince Sable and Muddy Mole a Nintendo Allstar, just to represent their systems. The Gameboy had such a big success, I think it deserves some representation for characters.
 
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Noah J. Linderer said:
Didn't you hear? If you have 1 move the same as another it counts as a clone. Lucario is a clone of Mewtwo because he has the Auroa ball. That makes Ike a clone of Marth because he has counter and also a clone of Roy because of his B move. :troll:
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It's sad that some people actually beleive that too.
 
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Interesting sword users we could add that would bring in unique movesets:

-Isa Jo (Gun-Sword)
-Matthew/Isaac (Sword w/ Psyenergy)
-Shulk (Monado)
-Ghirahim (Sword w/ Dark Magic)
-Takamaru (Samurai Sword)
-Magnus (Giant Sword)
-Prince Sable (Sword w/ Magic)
-Lyn (Double Swords)
-Aeron (Sword w/ Chain)
-Zael (Sword w/ Magic)
-Lloyd Irving (Double Swords)

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But you're Entei, you can burn them yourself. :troll:
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DragonSniperNintendo said:
Interesting sword users we could add that would bring in unique movesets:

-Isa Jo (Gun-Sword)
-Matthew/Isaac (Sword w/ Psyenergy)
-Shulk (Monado)
-Ghirahim (Sword w/ Dark Magic)
-Takamaru (Samurai Sword)
-Magnus (Giant Sword)
-Prince Sable (Sword w/ Magic)
-Lyn (Double Swords)
-Aeron (Sword w/ Chain)
-Zael (Sword w/ Magic)
-Lloyd Irving (Double Swords)
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No Goroh on the list makes me sad. :<
 
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Noah J. Linderer said:
New Roster Update Version 3.0 (BIG SHOUT OUT TO ARIAND/AEM FOR MAKING THE BG'S FOR NINTEN, LYN, LEIF, NEOMEW, SHERIFF, PKMN TRAINER B, TOAD, AND 8-BIT MARIO. FOLLOW HIM ON SMASHBOARDS.)











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Ninten: Works better as a costume and although seeing those PSI powers go unused is dumb, he's not very essential to the representation of Mother.

Dr. Mario (maybe) - He's not a popular Mario rep or a good idea for one. But, being a popular Smash rep who was planned for Brawl MAY give him a chance.

Shy Guy (idea) - NOT a prediction, but he has a lot of potential for Moves. d'be an awesome Yoshi rep. Shy Guy's meh favorite Video Game Character.

Zoroark - Poke'mon characters are tight. If Zoroark was available for a spot than it would be taken by Lucario.

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Dry Bowser - To be either a 2nd set of costumes or a skin that could be accessed between Final Smashes or a new mechanic. (doesn't count as another character.)

NeoMew - I can see either him being the same case as Dry Bowser/Wario or just the entire character. He would thus count as an X/Y rep entirely, plus I can't imagine his moves being unique from Mewtwo.

Bomberman - No, I don't count him as a Konami rep, just like I count Sonic as more of a Sonic Team rep than a SEGA rep. Bomberman originated from Hudson and is probably the other most deserving 3rd Party alongside Mega Man.

Pac-Man - Sakurai mentioned that one of his biggest influences for Mega Man was more so his potential as a fighter and also mentioned Namco Characters are not getting special treatment for helping develop the game. I don't see much move potential for Pac-Man (that would be worth exploiting as a rep.) and I really see Namco working on the game as the only reason to add a Namco rep. Pac-Man is not as popular as a modern character than he was just an Arcade Game people will never forget. Where as Sonic & Snake are very popular as modern AND classic characters. Pac-Man is worthy of being a guest in games, but in my opinion SSB is not one of those games. But, this is just why I don't have him, so don't get your nuts in a bundle.

Waluigi - Biker outfit just represents the mere chance of counting as a Wario rep to make room for a 5th Mario rep. But, it makes more sense to be a Mario rep.

@Swampasaur: Yeah, there's really nothing wrong with the Dry Bowser Skin at all considering he's not his own rep. Only reasons I got are just contradictions of reasons why there is a point in having it. And Skull Kid is still a reasonable choice.
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Just a critique. I think Bowser Jr. is more likely than Paper Mario tbh. I like how you included K. Rool, I agree with that one. Idk what makes you think Lyn is going to be in though, I don't see Fire emblem jumping up by two reps. They may be big enough for 4 reps, but I just don't see it happenening due to priority, and if it does, definantly roy over lyn. There isn't much of a flashy character selection in fire emblem, and we have who merits a spot with Marth, Ike, and Chrom. I don't think Golden Sun will get a rep, but if it did I think it'd be Isaac. I don't think Starfy is likely at all. As for LoZ three things could happen. It could stay the same as in brawl, Classic Link could replace Toon Link, Or we could get a new rep. If that happens I think Tingle is the only reasonable addition. Good job here. Props on Ridley, Props on Palutena. But there's a problem with your "neomew". There are two new forms. Not one. So if you suggest he should stay in his new form, which one, and why is it fair to pick one? I think just Mewtwo original is better and what the fans (me) want anyways. His new forms should be represented, but not as his main form. Props Little Mac, Takamaru, Shulk. Now....Sheriff....why are you so adamant about this not so special retro character? I suppose none of them standout, but you sure do like sheriff. Enough to put him on a roster that you are trying to predict the final outcome with regardless of having no real reason to. But I can't bash you, because when it comes to retros we're basically pulling out of a hat. Now here's the worst part I think.....Bomberman....really? I think there's a reason bomberman is not discussed on these boards often. It's just....so unlikely. Hudson is such a small company now, and Bomberman isn't popular to boot. Yet you predict him? I don't understand. Megaman made it in because of his popularity. He was requested A LOT. He didn't just make it because of his fighting capabilities. He just shot stuff in the games he's based on anyway. Also...you cut Lucario. Probably not gonna happen. And why cut Sonic and Snake? Snake was in as a personal favor. Cutting him in the next game would be **** to many Snake users, which Sakurai knows, and to one of his personal friends. And Sonic? Is Sonic. A SEGA rep. Sonic the Hedgehog made it in due to popularity, like Megaman, and would have backlash worse than Mewtwo. Now I understand you not having Pacman. He isn't extremely popular sadly. But if namco bandai gets a representative, (which is really what we should be asking when speculating Pacman,) It will be Pacman. And they will get a rep before Hudson.
 
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mimgrim said:
To bad he is 3rd party and a vey unlikely one. And most of his chain attacks would probably get regalted to Specials due to how his chain works in the game. I would prefer a Castlevania character or heck Sakurai could probably give Mach Rider a chain even. >_>
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Aeron's first party. It's owned by the same people who made Xenoblade.
 
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Hell, I think we should get an axe user before a chain user. I mean, sure Villager uses it in one move, but a full-on axe user could be exciting.

Or a club user. But generally speaking, Nintendo's pretty bare in that department, minus Donbe and...Marowak.
 
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