Robin Patch Notes - 1.1.0 - AND THEN THERE WAS BUFFS

[Raziek]

Old topic for 1.0.6 & 1.0.8: http://smashboards.com/threads/robin-patch-data-compilation-1-0-6-1-0-8-notes.398926/

So, we'll be using this topic for 1.1.0 notes, rather than keep using the old ones. Keep stuff separate.

As usual, be sure to test thoroughly and be very specific with the language you are using.

If you have multiple versions of the game to test on, fantastic!

If you can CONFIRM something, please state so.

If you THINK something has changed, please indicate that, and ask someone else to see if things have changed. Do not post 'speculative' changes in other places on the boards, or I'll personally find you and slap you.

Finally, if you THINK Arcfire got easier to DI out of, you're probably wrong, as people think that EVERY PATCH.
If you think Thoron got nerfed, you're probably wrong, as people think that EVERY PATCH.

At any rate, get hype!

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Full list of changes so far:

NEW DOWN THROW
VEEEERY low knockback. True combos into Jab,/U-tilt at low%s, U-Smash/Uair at mid and up, based on character weight. CHECK-MATE.

Up throw 8 --> 9, somewhat higher knockback

bronze fair 6.5 --> 7.5
Levin fair 11 --> 12.5
Thunder 3 --> 4.5
Elthunder 9 --> 10.5

U-Smash tipper hitbox size increased. 3.2 -> 4.3, lowered slightly.

Thunder recovery time reduced by 3 frames.
Elthunder recovery time reduced by 10 frames.
Arcthunder recovery time reduced by 10 frames.

(Same as above for all custom variants as well)

Elwind's first gust has triple the aerial control
Elwind's second gust has 30% more aerial control
Elwind's helpless state has 14% more aerial control.
Gliding Elwind's first gust has nearly triple the aerial control
Gliding Elwind's second gust has triple the aerial control

On the whole: BIG WINS ALL AROUND.

 

[smokebomb12]

I don't main robin. But I can help out.

 

[C0rvus]

Dunno if this has been shared yet but down throw sends people nowhere at low percent. Combos seem very possible though I don't know to what extent. This seems significant!

 

[Creeper3971]

Robin's Dthrow has been changed. It looks like Dthrow to Uair is now a thing! This seems great for Robin guys!

 

[Pegasus Knight]

Also please remember 3DS and Wii U have different stage blast zones. So be specific which system you're doing things on.

 

[Zeiah92]

Wow that downthrow change sounds fascinating. Can't wait to try it out!

 

[Raziek]

Confirmed:

D-throw KB significantly reduced. Much better for traps. Guaranteed combo into jab & U-tilt at various percents.
U-throw buffed from 8% to 9% damage.

Fair buffed from 11% to 12%.
Elthunder buffed from 9% to 10%.
Thunder buffed from 3% to 4%

 

[Raziek]

Robin's Dthrow has been changed. It looks like Dthrow to Uair is now a thing! This seems great for Robin guys!

Uair is not guaranteed. Only U-tilt and Jab.

JUST KIDDING LOL WE HAVE THE CHECKMATE

 

[Zeiah92]

Confirmed:

D-throw KB significantly reduced. Much better for traps. Guaranteed combo into jab & U-tilt at various percents.
U-throw buffed from 8% to 9% damage.

Fair buffed from 11% to 12%.
Elthunder buffed from 9% to 10%.
Thunder buffed from 3% to 4%

Oh so does this mean that we can downthrow into Jab jab wind/Fire? Sorry i'm still in the process of dowloading so cant really try it out yet.

 

[Creeper3971]

Uair is not guaranteed. Only U-tilt and Jab.

Yeah I realized that after I pointed it out, sorry. A guaranteed U-tilt and Jab is really nice though.

 

[The Merc]

Uair is not guaranteed. Only U-tilt and Jab.

But can it still be done?

 

[941]

The second swing of jab seems to have a bit more range and seems better for locking people into jab combos. Can't confirm though, because I have no way to test with previous versions.

 

[Célja]

I think Arcthunder has a shorter cool down time to it. I'm not sure on it, but it feels like I'm able to act out of it sooner. Would you mind testing it?

 

[Raziek]

I think Arcthunder has a shorter cool down time to it. I'm not sure on it, but it feels like I'm able to act out of it sooner. Would you mind testing it?

Dath thinks this might be true, but we're not sure yet.

B-throw KB was nerfed.

Launcher speed at 0% on Mario in old version: 66 mph.
New version: 39 mph.

System change likely, disproven by raw data dumps.

 

[Ivander]

Somebody might want to test this with Down-Throw. At around the 90%-130% mark, I have been able to connect a Down-Throw to Up-Air on a Level-9 Captain Falcon. Below that, he would air-dodge Up-Air, but so far, I have actually been able to get him without air-dodging around the 90-130% mark.

 

[Raziek]

Somebody might want to test this with Down-Throw. At around the 90%-130% mark, I have been able to connect a Down-Throw to Up-Air on a Level-9 Captain Falcon. Below that, he would air-dodge Up-Air, but so far, I have actually been able to get him without air-dodging around the 90-130% mark.

Doesn't register as a combo in training. Not a combo.

 

[Zeiah92]

I think Arcthunder has a shorter cool down time to it. I'm not sure on it, but it feels like I'm able to act out of it sooner. Would you mind testing it?

I think this might be true too. I can easily link arc thunder to Nosferatu a few spaces away when is struggled before.

 

[Raziek]

U-throw KB was nerfed.

Launcher speed at 0% on Mario in old version: 69 mph.
New version: 39 mph.

 

[941]

B-throw still seems decent at high percents. Was the KBG increased?

 

[False Sense]

This is probably obvious, but with the change to D-Throw, Arcthunder -> D-Throw -> Wind Jab is a thing now, at least at lower percents. It has the potential to do massive damage if done right.

 

[Raziek]

F-throw KB was nerfed as well.

Launcher speed at 0% on Mario in old version: 56 mph.
New version: 26 mph.

B-throw still seems decent at high percents. Was the KBG increased?

Nope. Still significantly weaker even at like 125%.

Unless that's a difference between 3DS and WiiU versions...

 

[Tectrix]

Confirmed:

D-throw KB significantly reduced. Much better for traps. Guaranteed combo into jab & U-tilt at various percents.
U-throw buffed from 8% to 9% damage.

Fair buffed from 11% to 12%.
Elthunder buffed from 9% to 10%.
Thunder buffed from 3% to 4%

It looks like elthunder actually does 10.5. I could be wrong though.

 

[XXII FOOL]

Changes i've observed:

NEW DOWN THROW
VEEEERY low knockback. Unsure of how good it is due to throw's endlag, and robin doesnt really have stuff like mario's tilts out of dthrow...
Up throw 8 --> 9, somewhat higher knockback

bronze fair 6.5 --> 7.5
Levin fair 11 --> 12.5
Thunder 3 --> 4.5
Elthunder 9 --> 10.5

 

[Pegasus Knight]

...Why would they nerf our throws? I must be misunderstanding something here. Dthrow 'nerf' of course is actually an improvement, but what about the others? Did we just lose our kill throw, or is KBG sufficient to keep it going now?

 

[accel]

Doesn't register as a combo in training. Not a combo.

Long time lurker. Created an account just to say this:

Can confirm that at 112%+ it registers as a true combo in training mode (on Captain Falcon, at least).
Down Throw -> Full Jump Up-Air

In addition, 117% is the lowest that I can connect the following (on Captain Falcon in training mode as a true combo):
Down Throw -> Full Jump Forward-Air

Since it's training mode and I'm so ronery, I can't test DI or rage.

Also, please refer to: https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3f8hvn/the_v110_patch_changelist/
Feel free to confirm/deny. Slight damage increases and down-throw combos/kill confirms may explain the reasoning for a back-throw nerf.

Edit:

Forgot to include Down throw -> Full Jump Neutral Air
Again, on Capt. Falcon in training mode. Lowest percentage I could get it to register as a true combo is 96%.

 

[XXII FOOL]

...Why would they nerf our throws? I must be misunderstanding something here. Dthrow 'nerf' of course is actually an improvement, but what about the others? Did we just lose our kill throw, or is KBG sufficient to keep it going now?

Pretty sure fthrow and back throw are untouched.
EDIT: back throw appears to be weaker...

 

[Raziek]

http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/reflet.html

Currently deciphering:

U-Smash tipper hitbox size increased. 3.2 -> 4.3
LS Fair damage 11 -> 12.5.
Bronze Fair 6.5 -> 7.5.

Changes to U-throw and D-throw are in there, but not B-throw. Unsure what this means at this time?

 

[Champ Gold]

D-Throw into Jab will be a damn good combo.

There's also D-Throw into D-Smash but that might not be a true combo but something similar to Roy's D-Throw into hard read F-Smash

 

[XXII FOOL]

You can actually do down throw --> dtilt --> dash grab, rinse-repeat now. Similar to roy's dthrow into jab into dash grab trick.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

I threw out arcthunder on wii U (current) and 3ds (prepatch) side by side at 1/4 speed and held shield. Shield comes out much faster on the new patch.

Edit: Ditto with thunder and elthunder. Thoron is unchanged as far as I can tell.

 

[Mr. Johan]

Book glitch that prevents you from catching tomes that bounced onto Battlefield's platforms is gone.

Except for the Nosferatu tome. For some reason.

 

[Raziek]

Long time lurker. Created an account just to say this:

Can confirm that at 112%+ it registers as a true combo in training mode (on Captain Falcon, at least).
Down Throw -> Full Jump Up-Air

In addition, 117% is the lowest that I can connect the following (on Captain Falcon in training mode as a true combo):
Down Throw -> Full Jump Forward-Air

Since it's training mode and I'm so ronery, I can't test DI or rage.

Also, please refer to: https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3f8hvn/the_v110_patch_changelist/
Feel free to confirm/deny. Slight damage increases and down-throw combos/kill confirms may explain the reasoning for a back-throw nerf.

Edit:

Forgot to include Down throw -> Full Jump Neutral Air
Again, on Capt. Falcon in training mode. Lowest percentage I could get it to register as a true combo is 96%.

CONFIRMED!

https://twitter.com/SUGOI_Raziek/status/626952885943799808/video/1

 

[hdltq]

I think pummel is faster now. But I need to re-check.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Book glitch that prevents you from catching tomes that bounced onto Battlefield's platforms is gone.

Except for the Nosferatu tome. For some reason.

Earlier today I caught a book that bounced off a platform on peach's castle and it still disappeared. It was during a match but I think I'm remembering it correctly.

 

[PK Gaming]

CONFIRMED!

https://twitter.com/SUGOI_Raziek/status/626952885943799808/video/1

Looks like Robin finally brought his Levin Sword

 

[Raziek]

I think pummel is faster now. But I need to re-check.

Definitely not.

 

[•Col•]

I think pummel is faster now. But I need to re-check.

I got the sense that pummel seemed faster too, but I'm not really sure since I'm not playing against human players to test it. Robin's grab game seems a lot better now wit the throw changes.

 

[Zeiah92]

Been fighting a lvl 9 just to test out the changes. Down throw-> arcthunder->Nosferatu = Amazing

 

[Pegasus Knight]

Cripes. I'll keep this short since I can't contribute much data right now, but... wow. This is very encouraging. I'm really eager to try Robin out with all these changes once I get the chance!

 

[drogoth232]

I have a good background in brawl modding so I can read the code to some degree, here's the changes that are on Dantarion's mastercore. Just giving general stuff, nothing specific until I get more time.

Jab 2: More KB
Up Smash: larger hitboxes, it's positioned slightly lower too
fair got damage buffs
Up throw has more kb/damage? can't tell
downthrow has an increase and a decrease in a value. The decrease is a lot. I think the increase is Knock back growth and decrease is base kb

You guys can choose to believe me or not, but I implore you guys to check out my background in brawl coding both on Smashboards and KCMM.