Release infnites... Do tournies generally ban them?

[PKNintendo]

Im not talking about DDD CG,or IC difficult infinite.
Im talking about Wario infinite via ZSS and Yoshi
And Ness/Lucas infinite via Marth.

I've been to some tournies and they didn't ban them. Do they generally ban them in your area?

 

[bobson]

No, you're only allowed to ban stages and items. Items, you see, could cause you to automatically lose a stock if your opponent uses them, whereas release infinites could only cause you to automatically lose a stock if your opponent uses them. Clearly, release infinites are fair game and should not be banned.

 

[Steel]

Tournies do ban the ness/lucas infinite sometimes.

 

[Percon]

Some tounies in Canada have the Ness/Lucas infinites banned.

They do allow a marth to Grab release > Fsmash though.

Sometimes it's not truly, officially banned, more of a respect thing. You can't expect this everywhere you go though...

 

[Al_Di_Medola]

If they ban the Ness Lucas inf. like some of you say, then mabey thell bann the Wario inf. some places too ...... i hope -_-

 

[PKNintendo]

Me too. I hate it how targets Ness, Lucas and Wario.

 

[Alus]

No, you're only allowed to ban stages and items. Items, you see, could cause you to automatically lose a stock if your opponent uses them, whereas release infinites could only cause you to automatically lose a stock if your opponent uses them. Clearly, release infinites are fair game and should not be banned.

uhh...dosent make a lot of sense...

 

[Grunt]

Sometimes it's not truly, officially banned, more of a respect thing. You can't expect this everywhere you go though...

a soft ban outside of Japan?
HA!

 

[petrie911]

uhh...dosent make a lot of sense...

Someone missed the sarcasm...

 

[eMORAY21]

a soft ban outside of Japan?
HA!

this made me lols

 

[Ilex]

No, you're only allowed to ban stages and items. Items, you see, could cause you to automatically lose a stock if your opponent uses them, whereas release infinites could only cause you to automatically lose a stock if your opponent uses them. Clearly, release infinites are fair game and should not be banned.

Lol, was this sarcasm? I hope so.

 

[Pierce7d]

Clearly he's using sarcasm to portray that he feels it's foolish not to ban infinites when they are of a more broken and unbalanced caliber than items, which are banned at most tournaments.

 

[Xyro77]

In texas, i ban all infinites

 

[Metà]

In texas, i ban all infinites

There are a lot of infinites (probably well into the double digits, including wall infinites), are you sure you've banned all of them?

Me too. I hate it how targets Ness, Lucas and Wario.

Would you rather it targets all characters? If it only targets those characters, it should be allowed, since you don't HAVE to pick those characters. Counter-picking, man...

 

[Metal_Dave]

In texas, i ban all infinites

Because in Texas everything is banned already. -.-

 

[cutter]

Because in Texas everything is banned already. -.-

lol that started all because Hylian was tearing it up with ICs

Banning infinites is just stupid. They were allowed in Melee; why should they be banned in Brawl?

 

[Metal_Dave]

lol that started all because Hylian was tearing it up with ICs

Banning infinites is just stupid. They were allowed in Melee; why should they be banned in Brawl?

Yeah. And I see it exactly the same way as you do.

 

[Popertop]

It was less of an issue in Melee because there were more ways around getting grabbed.
In Brawl, with even less shield lag and bigger shield grab range, the loss of L-canceling and the slowed down gameplay it's a grabfest.

 

[Ripple]

lol that started all because Hylian was tearing it up with ICs

Banning infinites is just stupid. They were allowed in Melee; why should they be banned in Brawl?

first of all the IC and fox were the only ones to have an infinite with out a wall in melee and I'm pretty sure no one even had one against a wall. With the ICs that was called wobbling and it was banned at many tournaments including the last few MLGs if I remember right. Fox's infinite was way too hard to do because of fox's shorthop is hard to preform over and over again and plus no one even tried it past 3 wave shines. everyone did dair>shine>wavedash>up smash or grab to uair or thunders combo. AND it was escapable with smash DI.

with as many characters in brawl that have them and are inescapable they will be banned eventually whether you think it is stupid or not

 

[K Balls]

infinites are in the game to use. They should not be ban. Try to avoid it. If you can't then simply don't play the game.

 

[DMG]

infinites are in the game to use. They should not be ban. Try to avoid it. If you can't then simply don't play the game.

Most, if not every infinite, were not meant to be in the game.

I main IC's and Wario, so I get affected from both ends well. Banning Infinites would help my Waro, but make my IC's suffer. Allowing Infinites is great for my IC's, but poor Wario gets shafted if he gets grabbed by the wrong character.

I think Infinites should be allowed, but there are some that are completely unnecessary (Marth can beat Ness without using grabs).

 

[Ulevo]

infinites are in the game to use. They should not be ban. Try to avoid it. If you can't then simply don't play the game.

It's called poor programming. They didn't purposely give Ness a laggy release so characters can abuse it. They were just careless, lazy, or both.

 

[Sosuke]

lol Ness mainer.

 

[cutter]

first of all the IC and fox were the only ones to have an infinite with out a wall in melee and I'm pretty sure no one even had one against a wall. With the ICs that was called wobbling and it was banned at many tournaments including the last few MLGs if I remember right. Fox's infinite was way too hard to do because of fox's shorthop is hard to preform over and over again and plus no one even tried it past 3 wave shines. everyone did dair>shine>wavedash>up smash or grab to uair or thunders combo. AND it was escapable with smash DI.

Wobbling was ALLOWED in MLG and the SBR said it was acceptable.

Fox could waveshine infinite 3 characters IIRC: Link, Zelda, and Peach. Difficulty is irrelevant as long as it's possible because it can be practiced and learned.

Even in Brawl without L-cancelling and whatnot it is still difficult for the ICs to grab you because they have such ****ty grab range. Learn to space yourself properly with ranged approaches, projectiles and split up the ICs.

with as many characters in brawl that have them and are inescapable they will be banned eventually whether you think it is stupid or not

Since when have ICs dominated tournaments? You don't ban something unless it dominates competitive play so much that the entire game revolves around it. Banning stuff is an absolute last resort; not the first.

 

[Dark Sonic]

It was less of an issue in Melee because there were more ways around getting grabbed.
In Brawl, with even less shield lag and bigger shield grab range, the loss of L-canceling and the slowed down gameplay it's a grabfest.

Only Ice Climbers have terrible grab range, can no longer wavedash out of shield to get grabs, and slide pretty far back from any shielded attack.

Learn to space!

 

[petrie911]

^um, what does it matter if the Ice Climbers have bad grab range? This topic is about Marth, PT, Yoshi, and ZSS's infinites on Wario, Lucas, and Ness. ICs may have bad grab range, but none of the aforementioned characters do. Marth's is especially problematic, due to his large grab range and fast grab.

 

[Mmac]

You know, 8 People can actually Infinite Wario now.

Also ZSS has an Infinite on Squirtle

 

[cutter]

You know, 8 People can actually Infinite Wario now.

Also ZSS has an Infinite on Squirtle

Good god...

10grabreleases

 

[Steeler]

it's just so lame because it takes absolutely no skill to grab release, unlike **** like ic's infinite.

 

[PKNintendo]

8. Are you serious?

 

[Mmac]

8. Are you serious?

Sadly yes

Spoiler

10Serious

 

[SniperNight0wl]

In texas, i ban all infinites

I heard you didn't ban falco's chaingrabs.

 

[Yeniths]

Falco's chaingrab is not infinite>_>

 

[PK Hexagon]

Falco's chaingrab is not infinite>_>

And yet, it can end in a dair spike. This is why banning crap is messy business and should be avoided at all costs. Unless it (obviously) breaks the game, that is. Instead of this back and forth crap over what should and shouldn't be banned we should just assume that everything sans stalling is fair play.

 

[PKNintendo]

Infinites, im fine with. Grab release infinites are a no-no. They are:

low risk, high reward.

 

[Veggi]

Infinites, im fine with. Grab release infinites are a no-no. They are:

low risk, high reward.

Infinites arn't low risk high reward?

 

[PKNintendo]

Not really. They're hard to do as hell.

 

[Sosuke]

Not really. They're hard to do as hell.

Wtf maybe IC's.

But even that took me like 15 minutes to learn and I don't use them.

 

[Lemon Drop]

Who are the 8 characters that can grab release Wario?

 

[Mmac]

Some of them are easy, some of them are hard. All of Wario's are hard to do.

The 8 people are Yoshi, ZSS, Bowser, Ganondorf, Falcon, Ike, Zelda, and Peach