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Oh dang, nice thanks for the heads up mate!
It already is A-tier. Moves aren't ordered within tiers.
^This.
's DA starts 6 frames faster than 's and hits above BF's lower platforms with smash attack power. It's limited to a chase/punish and not good but no worse than DDD's.'s DA be S tier with and ? Body invincibility frames 4-15. IMO 's is A tier; it's great but has frame data slower enough from the S tiers to be 1 tier under them.
I disagree about dropping Dorf to A tier, while it is slower the good knockback, range & the sourspot is enough to keep it in S tier.^This.
Shouldn't
It doesn't have any followups, though. (At least, not to my knowledge.)Shouldn't
IDK what it leads into if anything but still, having a frame 4 (6-17 attack) invincible burst option is an amazing footsies tool. It does 9% and has 70bkb and 90kbg which makes it decent for KOing at high %s if I'm reading this right.
has a pretty solid dash attack coming out on frame 9(which for a swordsman dash attack is fairly good) has a large disjointed hitbox with a lot of active frames and he slides pretty far when he uses it making it a good burst option and an option to catch landings. Imo it's B tier.
down to D. Not only are they on the really slow end in terms of both startup and endlag, they come with even more problems in practice. The move incorporates a swing...and step. They keep moving forward after the swing which is inconvenient when they're blocked, because they're putting themselves into shieldgrab range after the swing. Marth in particular has this really bad sourspot closest to his body that's negative on hit until ~65% when it starts inducing tumble. You can dash grab or dash attack Marth on reaction before he can act again. But the other sourspot hit (yes, there are two) doesn't have this issue. Lucina has a bit of this issue at very low percents, but hers induces tumble sooner and has only one hitbox so there's no need to worry about spacing. The main draw for Marth is his killing power on tipper, but is it really significant? It begins killing Mario at the ledge at around 130%. Marth's dash attack is notably weaker than his Ftilt, as well as Dolphin Slash. And you have to remember that the tipper is only about 10-15% of the move's range. To compare to other killing Dash attacks, Link kills at the ledge at 75% with the tipper, and 100% with a sourspot. Ike's sweetspot kills at 90%. Roy's at 100% with his sweetspot. Lucas at 120% with his sweetspot. Little Mac at 120% with his sweetspot. And Dedede kills at 65%. All of these moves kill sooner and more consistently than Marth's., I think C is appropriate for him. As mentioned, his kills 30% earlier than Marth's (it's comparable to his and Marth's Ftilt), and his sweetspot is more than half of his blade. And despite Roy's backhanded sword style, I think his dash attack hitbox is larger than Marth's. Though it is hard to tell by looking at them since Marth swings... and then steps to make it look like a much shorter attack than it actually is. Plus Roy's sourspot isn't lacking in knockback so much that he could ever be punished on hit like Marth and Lucina could. Plus you'll see Roy's Dash attack in combos. Linking from moves like Nair, Fair, Dtilt, and Fthrow. True combo ranges are small, but it doesn't hurt to try when they have to burn double jump or tech roll to escape. 
I wouldn't be surprised if Roy's dash attack hits further away than Marth's, it has an invisible disjoint on the end.I propose moving
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And Falcon should move out of S. I know it looks like Samus', but if you watch carefully, Samus engages a jetpack that propels her into people far away. If you want a specific late hit, you know when to engage the dash attack in terms of distance. Falcon's late hit is much more precise to land, and doesn't have nearly as much combo potential because of greater endlag, and Falcon's longer startup on moves. Falcon's dash attack is certainly low commitment and has ten active hit frames, but that's all it has going for it. It doesn't lead into high damage combos or kills like other current S tiers do. I think B would be better for him.
Cloud also has to move down to B at least. It has the same startup as DK, but with less active frames, less range, and more endlag. It also doesn't lead into anything or kill.
You'd be surprised how often this works. It also can be used after some lower % bomb hits and lower % bair can often hit. This move can in fact kill at around 60% at the ledge. Honestly it should be treated as a smash attack. By itself, it's not great. But it has to be treated very differently than other dash attacks. I find it C tier all things considered.
pretty average. I often use it to catch people after hitting the ground after a lower % jab. It's literally a dash just to cause some damage in some situations. Probably C I really find this a lackluster dash attack honestly. Pretty slow, with not much reward. I almost never use it. I'd say D, especially since every other move he has is generally better. Yeah dis is good like people said. As long as the Ganon isn't telegraphed in how often they use it it's an S dash. Weak hit leads to follow ups and strong hit is...strong
Dash Attack [Frame 7-13, FAF 43] : Good startup and 7 active frames, but mediocre damage and endlag. Doesn't kill unless it's Sudden Death. Sadly, she's forced to rely on this move against short characters because, unlike her other normals, it has a low hitbox (only other normals that can hit shorties point-blank are dtilt, dsmash, and reverse jab... none of which have any followups). It is not fantastic by any means, but it does the job and gives her the grounded hitbox that she desperately needs.
I take back what I said about it being one of the worst in the game, a kill confirm at ~100 honestly makes it one of the better dash attacks in the game
should be B, if not C. Startup and endlag are both above average in speed. At low to mid percent, landing a close dash attack true combos into an Utilt string, which combos further into Uair. It's definitely held back by pushing ROB too far after the hit, and him being too fat to cross up anybody's shield. 's is also good because it's one of his faster moves yet not pitifully low reward as jab, Utilt, or Dtilt. Endlag is average and the move has 9 active hit frames. At max aura, it boasts just over as much horizontal killing power as Ike's sweetspotted dash attack - 90% at the ledge. At 100% damage worth of aura, it's more like 130-140%. So it can work in a pinch, and this guy is begging for fast kill moves. I think Lucario's is a C at least. is another good one. Great startup, okay endlag, and the knockback is excellent. Assuming you land the sweetspot in the center of the move, it kills at the ledge at 95%. isn't bad either. 11 active hit frames, though the late hit's low angle kills the potential for Samus/Ganon style followups. At low to mid percent, I know late dash attack set's up perfectly for a laser lock where they land, allowing for another dash attack or Usmash. But you need a wide stage like FD for this to reasonably happen. And I think the early hit combos into Utilt at 0%, but only against non floaties. I assume it continues to set up 50/50s and juggle scenarios past this point.
S -> AC -> AB -> AB -> AA -> B C -> B C -> B C -> B D -> C D -> C D -> C D -> C C -> D
,, and have great u-throws.
up throw is absolutely bonkers. It's fast, combos into all his aerials (dair at late percents can lead into neat stuff, bair chains as well) and is basically one of his bread-and-butter moves.
was moved up to A. Only one person commented on it after the first draft, and they suggested a move down. I personally think he just barely makes B because while it's fantastic at covering landings, it's high endlag makes it bad for anything else. is the lone S tier Uthrow. Assuming of course you consider Donkey Kong's cargo Uthrow as his Uthrow, which is a bit of a technicality when Cargo throws are initiated by his Fthrow. But if you did, then it's DK and Bowser because they're extremely similar in practice. Bowser's Uthrow deals a guaranteed 15-30% damage with Utilt and aerials that the victim really can't DI. There's also Uthrow to Fair to regrab exclusively on fast fallers and heavy weights at low percent (it's a 50/50 for everybody else depending on whether they mash air dodge, but they often get grabbed anyway due to suffering air dodge landing lag). A successful regrab bumps the damage total to 49%. Uair becomes a kill confirm beginning at ~70-100% depending on weight class and falling statistics. The % range at which Uair is guaranteed varies by character. It's only a 15% window for floaties like Olimar, but a 30-35% window for fast fallers like Sheik and Falcon. Uthrow scales a lot with rage, so kills at 60 are not unheard of. DI can effect ranges as well, but to a low extent. DI can't be counted on to allow the victim to escape the Uair altogether. Uthrow to Usmash is another mixup that beats fast aerials (Usmash is invincible), and there's Uthrow to Dair which isn't ever a true combo to my knowledge, but great if you've grabbed somebody at a ledge for an early dunk kill. There are also some expiremental followups, like Uthrow to Bair, and Uthrow to reverse Fair into Bair. The former takes a ton of practice and normally just results in setting up an edgeguard. The latter absolutely results in a kill, but depends on flawless execution and DI toward Bowser. Finally, there's a collateral hitbox on Bowser's body that launches targets far at a low angle that they can't recover from. But it only happens in doubles, or for instant killing a nearby Luma when fighting Rosalina. 
To be fair, they could get the untechable spin.
has an great Uthrow. It does have a 50-50 at higher % where if they do anything but jump out, it's death by U-air and if they jump it creates a juggle situation. Additionally, at low % it can combo into Rapid Jab against fast fallers for a 32+% combo, or a Fsmash read against any character. I'd say B at lowest. has a decent Uthrow. With Bombs (one of the best projectiles in the game) anything is a combo if you're creative enough and it's a stock cap at about 160. I'd give it C. It's not completely useless, but it's not great either. is in the same boat as link. Reliable stock cap, but can't really do anything else except Maybe an uair at low %. I'd also give it C. is S for sure. Same with and .
Corrin's kills only slightly later than Lucas's. Any UThrow that can take a stock around 150-160% with minimal rage deserves no less than B tier IMO. I mean, if you're going to place Lucas and Mewtwo in S just for KOing Corrin's has no business being in C, especially since it has splash damage.To be fair, they could get the untechable spin.
, with Greninja's and Lucario's pulling double duty as combo throws and stock caps. also have a few nice things about their UThrows, though Ryu and Meta Knight have theirs mostly restricted to either killing Luna/Pikmin or in teams, and Wii Fit Trainer needs Deep Breathing on board.) have better kill throws but their UThrows aren't too far behind which can make them better with certain positioning. UThrow is okay. You can get UThrow to Fire at low percents before DThrow stuff is guaranteed. B or C tier.
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's U-Throw is less impacted by DI than 's. Both are S tier though, platforms helps a lot for the latter. is S as well. is A tier, it's pretty good, but not as good as the characters above.is probably B, decent combo potential, only 7% damage though.is bad. D or worse.
:Kill early and often. Kirby and Charizard's become even more threatening with the aid of platforms, ideally those of Battlefield and Dreamland that cover most of the stage's surface area. The throws are also great for damage at 10-12% should you attempt them too early to kill.Uthrow to Fair is a reliable 20% until high percents. Has seemingly reliable kills against fast fallers with Fair and Uair, though I hesitate to guess how much DI allows them to escape. Uair swings behind Ike first, so it may fail against DI away even when Ike is jumping forward. And Fair looks to have a similar problem if they DI toward. Plus there's hitstun cancellingUthrow to spring to Uair is regular kill setup (usually a 50/50, but some factors can make it a true combo I'd imagine). Has some combo potential of its own at low percents where spring would take you too high.Consistent 11-15% combos that can even connect at high percents. Doesn't' accomplish much that Dthrow can't, however. You can't do Uthrow to double Bair at low % unless they DI behind you, but you do have Dair as a (not a real combo ever to my knowledge) mixup on Uthrow which can lead into nastier stuff after the rebound. Critically lacks potential to kill against opponents aware of airdodging to cancel hitstun.Sort of a companion to Dthrow, Uthrow only combos with the aid of Fire into aerials. I'm no expert, but the way I understand it, G&W suffers from bad followup options from Dthrow at low percent, and these are the percents where you can get a good Uthrow to Fire to Fair 25% damage combo. Is weight dependent like all his throws, so he can come up short against heavyweight opponents. Only for Uthrow to Thunder. It's highly susceptible to DI, but Pika mains train exclusively to follow and position thunder accordingly for a 24% damage combo or a kill. Pika's Uthrow lacks any other combo potential before those high percents however. Even if you do connect an Uair, that's just tacking on an added 4% damage.
Uthrow is mixed. It's a laggy throw that acts on frame 48 which is bad, right? But the throw still does what is needed & that is to force the opponent's airdodge or doublejump to be expended. If you try to land against Speed Shulk walking around & using his godly anti-air Utilt, then good freakin' luck. But no more talk about arts, Uthrow can true combo into Air Slash when reading DI correctly, can 50/50 with Uair to create Monado Purge, & like I mentioned earlier about expending a doublejump forcibly. The only problems with Shulk Uthrow is that A). It's laggy B). There's a hitlag modifier that makes it linger even further when it doesn't need to & C). The move is a heavy 50/50 throw without very many true followups. To Shulk it would be a C-tier throw if not B-tier due to Purge hurting a lot & Air Slash for ~18% guaranteed damage when read properly. In a vacuum however, it's not that great so I'd give it a D or C rank.
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is at least B. I'd argue for A. It kills (don't undestand why it didn't make the list above because it's about the same as Marth so around 170 at point blank, around 135 with rage, top 10 in the game). It's one of the only throws/up-throws in the game that can pretend to be both a combo and a kill throw. Great angle for aerials or kills. Easy Uair follow-ups at a pretty large window (20-80 depending on the opponent's weight and fall speed and stuff) before it becomes a mix-up. Deadly 50/50 (although I don't find this consistent but since it becomes a kill throw doesn't really matter), extremly good follow-ups after an airdodge read (Uair spike leading to footstool or Dsmash or Utilt for a kill...).is really not that bad and pretty decent. Can combo into Uspecial or Uair, or worse if the opponent airdodge (I believe this is not escapable at low percents) into Bayo's flashy combos for a nice 20-30% total or more. It's also very quick, meaning if the opponent expects a Fthrow near the ledge and DI in at high percents, the Uthrow puts them right above Bayonetta for a guaranteed Uair. Definetly has its uses, although can't be considered as good as other combo throws. C-tier I'd say.is bad. D tier not above. No combo potential at all, doesn't kill until like 200%+ percents on floaties and even then its angle isn't even that good making DI really effective. 10% damage is cool but ZSS can get so much with any other throw (combos or positionning). ZSS' worst throw without a doubt.
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If they try to DI for one of Ike's options, they are hitable by another one. So its a constant mixup game, though Fair is a true combo the longest, including at flat out kill percents or next to impossible to get back from percents at the ledge. Like Fox gets kinda wrecked by it, and its the main reason why the MU isn't worse. Think pretty much every character is in the danger range at least during the true combo %s for Fair. And then for Uair it depends on the character/stage/position on the stage if its going to true combo into a kill or not. Same with Nair.
