And how do friendlies at tournaments not count anyway? How else would I (and many other Ikes) fight what people would consider “quality” opponents?
[...] I believe I would lose as many other Ike mains do or else, we would see more Ikes at tournaments.
allright friendlies are not really considered to count because friendlies durring tournaments people tend to sandbag so as to not show how they really play...as for Ikes in tournaments you don't have to use him in every match but it would be a better way to get better with him
Quickdraw is not limited to a teams situation, this thread is to prove exactly that. Explain HOW Quickdraw could be limited to a team situation and not to a
I mean in a teams situation in the fact that you actually CAN use it better as a recovery to get back to your team mate faster and help them
Quickdraw
[...]last 50-60 frames uncharged. In saying that, I mean just to get the move off, not to actually reach the opponent.
you see QD projects an easilly seeable movement at startup that lets your opponent know what you're doing...as for charged it makes the sound
I figured since you jumped to a conclusion that I was a noob and that Quick Draw was completely useless, you could also jump to a conclusion as to how you would get from Washington to Alabama.
you wanted to fight me... I didn't really want to actually... so... yeah..
If you can’t or don't want to play me then just leave it alone.
will do since (like you pretty much said we're supposed to be discussing QD
a noob just because they may not agree with me and do not like Quick Draw so I do not know why you would want to call me one. I really have not said anything to validate being called a noob.
it isn't only the stuff about QD, I looked at some of your other posts before I even made that statement
[stuff about the whole "lucky" statement I made]
allright I admit it was a bad choice of wording there on my part what I MEANT was that from ending lag and landing lag there are alot better choice of moves you can make...as for when they're a distance away and you try and use it to punish landing lag...that won't happen too often because they can SEE you're about to use it and act so that you won't hit them with it, as they have to be pretty far up in the air if you plan on hitting them from a distance
and possibly advances to Ike’s metagame.
....with...Quick Draw?
If you don’t want to help an up and coming Ike main, you don’t have to, you can simply let someone else handle it who will most definitely be more help than you putting the Ike newcomer down.
you see that's the thing...I wouldn't mind helping an Ike newcomer...but someone that comes in and disagrees with everyone who already knows what they are talking about and says that THAT person is wrong...well...
Just because you don’t agree with or like the point I’m trying to make does not give you a reason to try to insult or talk down to me.
well sorry for calling you a noob...geez its not like I called you a scrub...I really don't see how noob is an insult
I like evidence. I provide valid proof for anyone who disagrees with me and I expect everyone who argues with me to do the same so please stop if you are not going to advance or offer anything to the argument.
there HAS been evidence, multitudes of it in fact
As a move in general, I, personally, would rate it may be a 4/10 or a 5/10. It has uses. It all depends on when and how you use it. It is by no means, a move to be spammed.
you see most of this here I agree with
mainly when you’re too far away to use any other move, otherwise you could probably just smash.
explained up above...and instead of a smash an u-tilt or f-tilt would work alot better
Offensively, Quickdraw could be used to follow an opponent with another attack after Ike knocks them back.
with Brawls reduced hitstun this does'nt work too well
Defensively, it is a good quick recovery at the appropriate times. If you need to get on stage in a hurry as to avoid being gimped, spiked, or in other words or ways, edgeguarded, it is a better idea to use Quick draw over Aether.
when your close to edge by all means use it to get back on quickly...when your recovering from a farther distance it's much better to use aether and sweet spot the edge
"I write for my friends" - the complete Ike guide by Kirk and Empy:
QuickDraw
all right so the gist of it is...usefull as a mind game, getting around (not approaching) and good for quick recoveries not long distance....pretty much what people have been saying
Longest post I have ever made.....
yes...it was long