Punishing Rolls?

[SwoodGrommet]

I've been playing a lot of For Glory, and I can't seem to figure out how to deal with players who constantly roll. I fought a Sonic who only rolled, even if I was standing still. It was incredibly hard to land a hit on him/grab him due to his speed, and well, being pretty much invincible due to rolling.

How do you guys deal with people like this? Getting really tired of fighting people like this, any advice is useful.

 

[Reila]

I am curious as to how to punish excessive rolls too. The best I can do is fsmash the opponent with Bowser Jr, but it doesn't really work when I play Robin.

 

[Freduardo]

1) Ready an attack with a wide or low hitbox.
2) watch him roll into it.

 

[GrnFzzTgr]

I have this problem too, but they usually dodge away after taking pot shots. It not helped that I run into this the most with grenijna and other fast characters...

 

[SwoodGrommet]

It's very annoying indeed, you'd think they'd have done something about it after play testing? I guess it's just one of those things you'll have to experiment with as it happens. Excessive rolling and lag really bothers me online; imagine if neither or those things existed

 

[GreatGonzales]

I do two things to deal with this:

1. Anticipate where they will be after roll (not too hard, rollers are pretty predictable)
2. Attack at that location, and use an attack which has a longer attack period. For example, Bowser's Nair, Mario's Dair, etc.

But it is pretty annoying to deal with.

 

[SwoodGrommet]

1) Ready an attack with a wide or low hitbox.
2) watch him roll into it.

I do two things to deal with this:

1. Anticipate where they will be after roll (not too hard, rollers are pretty predictable)
2. Attack at that location, and use an attack which has a longer attack period. For example, Bowser's Nair, Mario's Dair, etc.

But it is pretty annoying to deal with.

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll do my best to incorporate them next time I'm with a roller!

 

[TheBlossomingLily]

You'd be surprised how often just walking towards an opponent to suddenly throw a Front Smash behind you works against those kind of players.

 

[K-45]

U can alway predict them to roll behind u and do a down smash before they have time to react.

 

[SwoodGrommet]

Solid advice, guys. I think I just need to get into the mindset of why they're rolling and what they're trying to accomplish, and then exploit that. That Sonic player though, I swear he was practically invincible.

 

[RascalTheCharizard]

Falcon Kick. It stays out so long it's bound to catch them between rolls.

If they keep spamming rolls and you can't seem to kill them with a knee or the like, use Raptor Boost. Like Falcon Kick, it punishes rolls easily (but not AS easily) and it actually is a pretty viable kill move now. I KO'd a roll spamming Shulk <100% with it once. Since Shulk is supposedly a mid-heavy character, that's pretty good IMO.

 

[SwoodGrommet]

Falcon Kick. It stays out so long it's bound to catch them between rolls.

If they keep spamming rolls and you can't seem to kill them with a knee or the like, use Raptor Boost. Like Falcon Kick, it punishes rolls easily (but not AS easily) and it actually is a pretty viable kill move now. I KO'd a roll spamming Shulk <100% with it once. Since Shulk is supposedly a mid-heavy character, that's pretty good IMO.

That KO sounded pretty satisfying, haha. Falcon Kick does actually sound like a viable option; I'll have to try that for myself

 

[Radius-86]

Some of the faster characters like Sonic, ZSS, and Greninja have very few vulnerable frames in between rolls and spot dodges so even if you read it the timing for your punish is hard to get right. Netplay latency will make it even harder. You will get punished if you whiff with a slow or laggy move, so it is much safer to use moves with long active frames or have very short lag. For most of the cast the jab is sufficient.

When you're working to deal a killing blow, then you'll have to start taking the risk by roll reading with a strong well-timed move. Once you stop playing conservatively there is a good chance your opponent will start giving you a lot of damage and things will break even. I don't like opening myself up to that, so I just stick with the jabs which will have some launch power by 100%+, and then follow up with something else.

If you do get good at roll punishing and the player starts to shield more instead, you just have to replace jab with grab.

 

[SwoodGrommet]

Some of the faster characters like Sonic, ZSS, and Greninja have very few vulnerable frames in between rolls and spot dodges so even if you read it the timing for your punish is hard to get right. Netplay latency will make it even harder. You will get punished if you whiff with a slow or laggy move, so it is much safer to use moves with long active frames or have very short lag. For most of the cast the jab is sufficient.

When you're working to deal a killing blow, then you'll have to start taking the risk by roll reading with a strong well-timed move. Once you stop playing conservatively there is a good chance your opponent will start giving you a lot of damage and things will break even. I don't like opening myself up to that, so I just stick with the jabs which will have some launch power by 100%+, and then follow up with something else.

If you do get good at roll punishing and the player starts to shield more instead, you just have to replace jab with grab.

Didn't even think of something as simple as a jab. Thanks for the insight, it really sucks that people who constantly roll strip the game down to something so tiresome.

 

[platomaker]

laser, pk fire, pk thunder, fireball, luma, ground pound, rollout, yoshi egg of doom, uh.... sigh... kirby air cutter of mayhem, D3 inhalation of devastation, Samus Bombastatic bombardment of death and terror, Link's great ARROWS OF RIGHTEOUS JUSTICE, SONIC BOOM, oh wait that's street fighter, just use splash attack.

 

[25%Cotton]

i usually just dsmash depending on who i'm playing, or go for any attack the sweeps through a line (or aerial that i can use over a wide space near the ground). doesn't always work, and if it stops working out then i just hang back and chip at them with projectiles til they get annoyed and play sloppier (then switch back to close-range).

it's really ridiculous, though... i was fighting palutena as jiggs, and i used sing right next to her (i knew by this point i was going to win the match for sure regardless so why not). she spotdodged 3 times very quickly without even giving her shield time to appear and rolled away -- thing is, sing is pretty much a constant hitbox in smash4 (or close to), which means that her spotdodge left her with virtually NO vulnerable frames.

 

[SwoodGrommet]

i usually just dsmash depending on who i'm playing, or go for any attack the sweeps through a line (or aerial that i can use over a wide space near the ground). doesn't always work, and if it stops working out then i just hang back and chip at them with projectiles til they get annoyed and play sloppier (then switch back to close-range).

it's really ridiculous, though... i was fighting palutena as jiggs, and i used sing right next to her (i knew by this point i was going to win the match for sure regardless so why not). she spotdodged 3 times very quickly without even giving her shield time to appear and rolled away -- thing is, sing is pretty much a constant hitbox in smash4 (or close to), which means that her spotdodge left her with virtually NO vulnerable frames.

I love hearing all these "my experience with rollers" stories, haha! Really does show exactly how ridiculous it is though...

 

[Conda]

Having trouble with this too.

 

[Dragoomba]

The best bet is to stick out a multi-hitting move in anticipation. Otherwise, rolls are tha gawd.

 

[Hellrazor]

It ain't easy, that's for sure, especially if the character you're facing rolls like a friggin' Dark Souls character. The only strategy I can really stick with is watching them and sticking back. If they're a roller they won't really approach much, so you can kinda psych them out by dashing forward and stopping to test their reaction style. I place Dsmashes and aerials based on what I can memorize in a short span of time.

 

[Locke 06]

As MegaMan:
1. Anticipate a roll behind you.
2. Turn around.
3. Mega upper.

Kills at 75-100% depending on weight and vectoring. Either way, it sends a message. Mega upper hits hard.

 

[Nasreth]

you just have to predict where they're going to roll and bait them to do it and attack where they're rolling to. its not easy at first but you get the hang of it.