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Project GENO - MarioDK Demo out

Discussion in 'Customized Content' started by Shadic, Sep 9, 2009.

  1. Shadic

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    PROJECT GENO

    FIRST POST EXTREMELY OUTDATED. For current discussion, check this post.
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    No Mario, this isn't Star Road.

    After a (quite lengthy) delay, Geno finally joins the Brawl!

    Who is Geno, you may ask?

    Geno (whose real name is the unpronounceable ♥♪!?) is a warrior from Star Road and one of Mario's partners in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. He was sent by "a higher authority" to restore peace to Mario's world. Although he takes the form of a wooden doll, Geno is presumably a star being.

    Projects:
    There are two different projects for Geno construction going on. The two have been dubbed Fighter Geno and Cosmic Geno. They've been made by Shadic and IndigoFenix, respectively.They're being undertaken with different viewpoints on the original character. Both projects are geared towards Brawl+, but should work in BBrawl or any other Brawl variation with the appropriate codes.

    Fighter Geno is more into physical combat, using a lot of swapped animations to make the character and his moves feel different. His fall-speed and run is quick.

    Cosmic Geno is more into using magic, and fire to attack. There's a heavy emphasis on times attacks, making Geno have special touches similar to how he worked in Super Mario RPG. He's slightly slower, and floatier than Fighter Geno.

    Moves:
    Here is a basic summary of both Geno's movesets:

    Jab:
    Fighter: Spark - Geno jabs his hand forward quickly, and unleashes a magic flash, capable of sending the opponent back quite a bit.

    Cosmic: Finger Shot - Geno pulls out his trusty finger gun and fires a bullet. It's quick to fire and has pretty good range for a normal A move. Best used as a method for keeping your distance from opponents. If anyone has a better idea for a graphic effect here, let me know - I don't like shiny bullets.

    Ftilt:
    Fighter: Up Flash - Geno does a quick twirl, unleashing magic capable of sending the opponent up a slight amount. Great for beginning combos, and the angle can be changed by tilting the control stick.

    Cosmic: Hand Cannon - Geno fires off a flash of burning energy. Its range is much longer than you'd expect from such a small fighter. Like Finger Shot, its primary use is for knocking close-range opponents away.

    Dtilt:
    Fighter: Speedshine - Geno blasts energy behind and in front of him, knocking the opponent away with decent base knockback. However, don't expect this move to kill!

    Cosmic: Ground Explosion - Geno sends a burst of energy into the ground, causing a small explosion in front of him.

    Utilt:
    Fighter: Shine Spin - Geno spins, radiating star power. The move sends the opponent upwards for follow-up attacks.

    Cosmic: Hand Gun - Geno fires a burst of energy upwards. It has a bit of a start-up lag, but has a nice sweetspot if you can time it right.


    Dash Attack:
    Fighter: Quick Trip - Get flips backwards, sliding forward and kicking the opponent. If you only hit with the first kick, the opponent will be sent backwards at a very low trajectory. However, if both hits connect, the opponent pops upward, giving a perfect combo starting attack!

    Cosmic: Double Hit - Geno strikes out quickly with a weak burst of energy. If you let go of the control stick at the moment he releases the attack, he will do a spin attack as well, but if you don't, it combos well into his FTilt.


    FSmash:
    Fighter: 7-Star Strike - Geno hits his opponent seven times with a rapid flurry of stars, sending them flying a good distance away with the last hit.

    Cosmic: Star Gun - Geno fires off a burst of star energy. If you tap the A button again at the right time, he will send off a second, more powerful attack as well.

    DSmash:
    Fighter: Nova Shell - Geno unleashes a medium-sized burst of energy all around his body. He's invincible durning this for a short time, as well.

    Cosmic: Nova Shell - Geno unleashes a medium-sized burst of energy all around his body.

    USmash:
    Fighter: Star Burst - Geno focuses energy into the all around him, sucking the opponent upwards, then causes an explosion of stars which blasts opponents straight outwards. It's slow, but very powerful.

    Cosmic: Star Burst - Geno focuses energy into the air above him, then causes an explosion of stars which blasts opponents straight upwards. It's slow, but very powerful.


    Nair:
    Fighter: Geno Flip - Geno does a quick flip in the air, kicking his opponent in different directions, based on when in the kick he hits.

    Cosmic: Orbital Spin - Geno spins his body in the air rapidly, hitting anyone who comes too close.

    Fair:
    Fighter: Geno Rush - Geno boosts forward with star energy, and then hits with a small flash. Works great during recoveries as well.

    Cosmic: Rocket Rush - Geno uses his rocket punch to thrust himself forward for a powerful punch. If he hits them while thrusting, he will push them forward, but the attack is most powerful if he hits right at the end. Based vaguely on the punch Geno uses on Bowyer in his first fight scene in SMRPG.

    Dair:
    Fighter: Energy Stomp - Geno stomps downward quickly, sending the opponent flying. Hitting with this attack provides a small upward boost, as well.

    Cosmic: Meteor Strike - Geno hits opponents below him with his fist, sending them straight downwards. If the attack connects, he also gets a slight upwards boost.


    Bair:
    Fighter: Geno Kick - Geno gives a two-legged kick behind him, sending the opponent flying! A sweetspotted attack is done in the initial attack, while the orbs of energy at Geno's feet are still there.

    Cosmic: Spinning Blast - Geno whirls around and fires his Hand Gun three times behind him. Each burst sends opponents in a different trajectory, but the strongest blast is the last one, which hits them at an upwards angle.


    Uair:
    Fighter: Sky Shot - Geno creates a quick flash above him, sending the opponent straight up. Works great for killing opponents off the top.

    Cosmic: Stellar Shock - Geno releases a burst of star energy above him, sending opponents upwards. It has a strong sweetspot at the very tip of the attack at the moment it comes out. A perfect hit with the sweetspot is a very powerful killing move.

    NeutB:
    Fighter: Geno Beam - Geno charges his energy, each click can be heard/seen. After enough have been charges up, he releases a long, powerful beam. Listen carefully to find out when it's almost charged. Also, you can let go of B mid-charge to save it up and use it later.

    Cosmic: Geno Beam - Geno focuses energy into his Star Gun, charging it into a powerful long-range beam that sends opponents flying back. Charging it three times brings it to maximum power, but waiting any longer causes it to weaken. He can also fire it without charging at all, although this will result in a very small burst. In the air, only the small, uncharged version can be used. Knockback probably needs to adjusted.


    SideB:
    Fighter: Geno Whirl - Geno tosses a speedy energy disk, dealing damage to opponents. Pressing the A button immediately before the attack connects deals a powerful blow that can KO at around 100% damage, but pressing it too early causes the attack to become exceedingly weak. One of Geno's best killing moves, but it takes some practice to land the critical hit and its long start-up makes it easy to dodge.

    Cosmic: Geno Whirl - Geno tosses a speedy energy disk, dealing damage to opponents. Pressing the A button immediately before the attack connects deals a powerful blow that can KO at around 100% damage, but pressing it too early causes the attack to become exceedingly weak. One of Geno's best killing moves, but it takes some practice to land the critical hit and its long start-up makes it easy to dodge.


    DownB:
    Fighter: Geno Spin - In the air, Geno drops rapidly, dragging opponents with him as he goes. On the ground, he spins back and forth quickly, launching his opponents away.

    Cosmic: Geno Blast - Geno raises his hands into the air, focusing energy into the sky above him, then sends it streaming down onto any unsuspecting opponents. The attack deals tremendous amounts of damage
    (up to over 40% damage at full charge!) and has a wide range, but it has no knockback and a very long start-up and ending lag. It also has a blind spot right next to Geno, leaving him wide open to any opponents who avoid the blast. Like Geno Beam, it can be charged up to three times but weakens if it is not released after the third charge. If Geno uses this in the air, he will hover and fire the energy from his own hands instead. The aerial version is weaker and lasts shorter than the ground version. Also, it cannot be charged, and puts him into free-fall.


    UpB:
    Fighter: Geno Boost - Geno spins in the air, radiating star power. Opponents are shot straight up with the move, and if cleverly used, can be used to kill foes off the top.

    Cosmic: Geno Boost - Geno rises into the air, radiating energy. He will take no knockback if hit during the first part of the move. After using the move, he will glow with energy, and any aerial attacks he uses while falling will be more powerful than usual. Unlike most recovery moves, Geno retains his second jump after using Geno Boost. He can also use the ability again while falling in order to slow his descent or to defend against attacks.

    FThrow:
    Fighter: Cosmic Toss - Geno flips the opponent around and throws them with his magic. A fairly powerful throw.

    Cosmic: 7-Star Strike - Geno hits his opponent seven times with a rapid flurry of stars, sending them flying a good distance away with the last hit. Based on Shadic's FSmash animation and physics, but not quite as powerful. It's still a very good throw, about on par with Ness/Lucas in terms of knockback.


    DThrow:
    Fighter: Energy Blast - Geno stands on top of the opponent, blasting them with tons of magical power.

    Cosmic: Rocket Punch - Geno smashes his opponent with a rocket-charged fist, knocking them down and causing them to slide across the floor.


    BThrow:
    Fighter: Geno Fling - Geno spins the opponent around, holding them above him with magical energy. He then throws them backward, in a move able to KO those who are high on damage.

    Cosmic: Meteor Shower - Geno leaps above his opponent and rains star energy on top of them, dealing damage and sending them backwards. It doesn't send them very far, but does a good deal of damage.


    UThrow:
    Fighter: Star Hurl - Geno throws the opponent up into the stars!

    Cosmic: Star Release - Geno raises his hands and holds his opponent in the air above him for a moment before sending them flying straight upwards. Based loosely on the way that Mario sent Star Pieces into the sky in SMRPG, probably needs to be made stronger in the future.

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    To play as Geno, download one of the following:
    Shadic's Geno (Fighter Geno)
    Indigo's Geno (Cosmic Geno)

    And place in the following directory:
    SD:\private\wii\app\RSBE\pf\fighter\toonlink

    Make sure the files are named properly!

    For best results with Cosmic Geno, download the following texture, place it in the same folder as the other, but name it FitToonLink03.pac . It'll replace Toon Link's Blue costume! (Fighter Geno has his included.)

    Shadic's Thanks To:
    Andou1 & Dhragen - Making an awesome Geno texture which gave inspiration.
    Eldiran - Basic Q&A.
    UMOP - Basically made Geno Beam, other assistance.
    DarkDragoon - Random Q&A, emotional fallback.
    Phantom Wings - Made PSA.
    Sonicandtails - Small testing, bouncing ideas off of.
    Raqib12 - Avoiding Beta Testing. >8(
    camelot - Finding how to change Frame speeds, ideas, PSA help...
    Androu1 & Dhrage - Pretty awesome Geno texture.
    IndigoFenix - Sharing several Geno moves, basic collaboration, etc.
    xepherthree - Testing and feedback.
    TheSilenceOfNoOne - Feedback, testing, fine-tuning, and awesome ideas.
    RandomTBush - Making an awesome Geno texture even better by removing the sword and shield permanently!
    Everybody who contributed to PSA documentation!
  2. Shadic

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    This PSA Character comes from the stars! - GENO!

    Screenshots:

    Here are some screenshots of both versions of Geno. Click the thumbnail to enlarge.

    Fighter Geno:
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    Cosmic Geno:
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    Videos:
    Fighter Geno
    Video
    Cosmic Geno
    Video
    Changelist:
    Here are changelists for each character:
    Fighter Geno (11-19):
    New UpB! Geno Boost is now essentially IF's, thanks to him, of course. Expect a revamp of it in the near-future.
    New DownB! It's.. Exactly IF's. Will also be changed in a bit.
    All Aerials are now powered-up by Geno Boost.
    Dtilt hitboxes stay out slightly longer.
    Throws have different GFX.
    New Dthrow animation.
    All walking animations, the run, jumps, falls, etc have new animations! Should feel much less like Toon Link now.
    Size changed from 1.1 to 1.15.

    Cosmic Geno (10-25):
    The dynamics of overcharging Geno Beam and Geno Blast are now different. Instead of firing immediately if you hold the button past the 3-charge limit, they will 'fizzle' and gradually lose power over the course of about half a second, dropping down to a single charge if you don't let go fast enough. While this diverges a bit from SMRPG mechanics (in which case a failure to land a timed hit was simply a failure) it slightly increases Geno's options by allowing him to hold at least a partial charge a little longer than usual.
    Geno Beam and Geno Blast now look slightly different at different charge levels, which should help people who aren't familiar with Geno's SMRPG mechanics.
    The aerial Geno Blast becomes stronger if Geno has used Geno Boost.
    The turning invisible when stunned glitch has been fixed, and he no longer dies if his shield breaks.
    The difference between his Boosted aerials and his non-Boosted ones has been increased. Specifically, his Bair and Dair are both much weaker when not Boosted. These two attacks have also been given slight starting lag increases and significant ending lag increases.
    His Fair's hitbox properties have been changed a little, making it easier to sweetspot on purpose and harder to do so by accident (basically, it will sweetspot if and only if you hit with the end of the dash alone).
    Fair, Bair, and Dair all have graphical differences when Boosted.
    His Nair still has a small hitbox, but the starting lag has been decreased and the hitbox stays out longer. It is also much more powerful when it comes out. Basically, it's comparable to Pikachu's Nair. It does get stronger with Geno Boost, but since it is already a high-risk/high-return attack, its Boost is not nearly as significant as Fair, Bair, and Dair. His Uair, being a kill move in its own right, does not receive any Boost.
    Ftilt's KBG has been lowered significantly.
    Utilt's hitboxes hit at slightly different angles.
    His grab range has been lengthened, and all of his throws, with the exception of his currently incomplete back throw, should now work in all circumstances. Let me know if any bugs are found.


    Old Changelists:

    Fighter Geno (11-06):
    Sword and Shield Permanently Removed, including off Geno's Back. YAY! (Thanks RandomTBush!)
    Grab, Dash Grab, and Turn Grab changed. (No tether!)
    New Grab attack animation and speed. (Does 3% per hit!)
    FSmash: First six hits do 2% and pull inward, seventh hit lowered in damage, but increased knockback. New Hit SFX
    Dsmash: Range increase, sped up slightly.
    UAir: GFX and SFX changed. (Thanks IF!)
    Nair: Enlarged GFX.
    Bair: New attack! Try out Geno Kick!
    Dair: New attack! Try out Energy Stomp!
    Ftilt: Hit SFX changed.
    Dtilt: New attack! Try out Speedshine!
    Utilt: New SFX.
    Dash Attack: New attack! Try out Quick Trip!
    UpB: Hitboxes connect better now.
    DownB Aerial: Gives second jump back, hits connect much better, but with reduced horizontal range. Also IASA was pushed back 5 frames.
    Fthrow: New!
    Uthrow: New!
    Bthrow: New!

    SideTaunt: New side taunt! Geno Nod!

    Fighter Geno (10-25):
    Short-hop increased.
    Zair removed
    Crouching no longer blocks projectiles.
    Jab: Sped up, slightly more KB, increased range, bigger hitbox.
    Ftilt: Sped up, given IASA frames
    Dtilt: Sped up, slightly less damage
    Utilt: Sped up slightly, given second, higher hitbox, and more horizontal range.
    FSmash: Better Range, higher angle KB, different hitsounds, less hitlag, more damage
    DSmash: Fixed IASA Frames, animation changed
    USmash: graphics taken from IF, given GFX for side hits
    Nair: Fixed hitboxes, all three work properly, lower KBG
    Fair: Sped up beginning, increased hitbox size
    Dair: Changed animation (IF's idea), spedup endlag
    Bair: graphics and hitbox taken from IF's Nair, momentum slightly altered
    Uair: Fixed IASA frames to actually work, fixed landing lag, hitbox size increase
    DThrow: Taken from IF
    All Specials besides Geno Beam now have a cool Star Effect, courtesy of IF.
    SideB: Changed into Geno Whirl, all done by IF
    Get up Attack taken from IF.
    Ledge attack taken from IF.
    DTaunt taken from IF.
    UTaunt taken from IF, given SFX
    On-Screen Appearance animation changed (IF's)
    Side taunt changed.


  3. tsunami70875

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    wow
    gotta try this on the weekend
    good job :)

    EDIT: ffffirst

    EDIT 2: how did you do the charging up moves?
  4. thesage

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    Needs more rocket punches
  5. Shadic

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    That's what the boomerang is going to be. When we can edit projectiles, it's happening.
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    By asking me for help. ; )

    BTW, I like the Dojo-esque format of the OP, Shadic.
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    I was wondering when someone was going to make Geno (I have neither the skill nor the creativity to do so myself). I approve. Are you planning on making a model hack of him (when we're able to)?
  8. ChiboSempai

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    You should keep the boomerang but perhaps tex hack the boomerang or something to make it like Geno Whirl

    Also make it so the boomerang goes crazy fast and doesn't return (if thats possible)
    To make it balanced give it a fair amount of ending lag
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    Booooooooooo. My Geno was like, 70% done, now I have no motivation to finish him. Haha.

    If you make Geno Whirl his side special, I will be sorely disappointed. It should be nothing less than his Final Smash since it's such a ****ed good move. Instakill any (non-boss) enemy? That shouldn't be a Side-B. Haha.

    I can't test this atm since my TV is 5 hours away, but I'll probably play around with it some tonight/tomorrow (making that drive today. x.x) and give you my opinions and some ideas.

    I will say this now though: No bullet fingers? :[
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    Nice work! I'll have to give this a try. It certainly seemed good during my very brief test of the older version.

    By the way, you and Sudai should totally pull a Project Roy and merge what you've got. Particularly if Sudai has bullet fingers.

    EDIT:
    Also, Geno's substitute projectile would be better as an arrow. I bet you could do something nifty by combining them with new animations.
  11. Shadic

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    Sudai - Contact me at some point, some of your ideas/moves very well may be better than mine, we should see what we can do.

    Eldiran - Where would I put Geno beam, then?

    Chibo - That's actually a pretty cool idea. Once we can edit projectiles, that shouldn't be too hard.
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    Is that first picture a model you actually have access to? When model hacking is finally possible, do you already have a model done, is my question. and can we see it should it exist?

    Looks awesome. I'm going to give Geno a whirl later this evening.

    Needs more finger cannons etc (I know its not possible yet....)
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    That picture doesn't look like a 3D render, rather a painting.
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    AWESOME! I KNEW someone would make him sooner or later
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    Wait, how do you edit fame speeds? You said you could in the OP.

    And I will DEFINITELY have to give this a try.
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    can't you make his side b an arrow and still keep geno beam the same?
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    Go to add. click modify. click change. at the bottom where the event id is, manually type in 04070100. change the value to scalar. 1.5 is 150% speed, 0.75 is 75% speed, etc.
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    I think he was saying to have the SideB shoot an arrow instead of a boomerang.
    -DD
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    Zomg, I think I remember seeing that model getting made whilst lurking around Facepunch. Someone (me? o.o) needs to get in touch with FluxMage and see if he'd be willing to make a Brawl-ready version for when Pharrox finishes his model converter. T'would be epic.

    Edit to stay on-topic: I tried this hack and I must say, it's pretty sweet. I love the interesting way the aerial attacks actually push him in different directions and such. Even though I'll probably miss Toon Link (of course, not as much as I would Geno ;] ), I'm glad that this is replacing a clone. Hopefully we'll have PSA Characters in place of all of the clones (Ganondorf with OoT moveset FTW).
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    Yup, that one.

    It's not necessary, just throwing out ideas.
  22. Shadic

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    Bug me on AIM sometime, and we can figure out how to make that work.
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    School just started up, but once I get some time, I'll get in touch with you Shadic. :]
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    Is it alright if I make a promo vid?
  25. Shadic

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    Go for it, that'd be awesome.
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    That is surprisingly not bad. The texture hacks looks good, but could probably use a little tuff of red hair.

    Maybe one day, we'll get totally new characters.
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    Just change the article it produces to the arrow.
    Should be 0?
    -DD
  28. IndigoFenix

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    Aah...
    So someone beat me to the post.

    I've actually been working on a Geno of my own, but I was planning on holding it back until it was more complete. Now that someone's made the jump, think I should put up mine, even though it isn't complete?

    It'd be interesting to see how different our two versions of the same character are... or maybe we could do a collab (I generally focus my main attention on making elaborate new specials, and I don't have too many normal moves created yet.)
  29. Shadic

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    If you've got some cool specials, I'd love to see them. Do you have any sort of instant messenger service?
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    You know, you could completely scrap the side special and write a new one. >w>
    Also, I added this to the character submission topic. :3
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    This is sexy. It looks a lot better than most PSA characters I've seen!
  33. 820

    820 Smash Apprentice

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    Does this replace Toon Link? Or is there a way to get it to set to a costume?
  34. SymphonicSage12

    SymphonicSage12 Smash Master

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    it replaces toon link. >.>
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    820 Smash Apprentice

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    Thanks. I like using Toon Link, but my friend is a huge Geno fan. This should be fun. -.-
  36. SymphonicSage12

    SymphonicSage12 Smash Master

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    A clone engine is being worked on...but I don't think it'll work with PSA characters....or so I heard :(
  37. Neo Exdeath

    Neo Exdeath Smash Ace

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    Wow...l hate Geno, but it's a wonder what you guys can do. Keep up the good work.
  38. xicsrh

    xicsrh Smash Cadet

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    Is this still being worked on?
  39. Shadic

    Shadic Alakadoof?

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    I am indeed still working on him. I'm gonna do an update before too long, I just want a couple of things worked out first, then I'm going to be looking at getting more community feedback. (Although any now would be great.)

    After the tweaks I've done, he feels a lot smoother than the first release. Expect it soonish.

    That said, if anybody wants to take things into their own hands, we can always vote on what works better/is more Geno-y.
  40. xicsrh

    xicsrh Smash Cadet

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    Cool. Keep up the good work.

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