fatigue is the only thing that really makes sense, saying that you need to master all to be a true pokemon trainer player just sounds ridiculous(and pretty noobish)
You don't need to master all 3 to be a Pokemon Trainer player. You need to master all 3 to be a
POKEMON MASTER!
After all, everybody wants to be a master. Everybody wants to show their skill. Everybody wants to get there fa-
but i seen some chillindude matches where he plays squirtle just fine for the 3 stocks he would use him with, saw no real flaw in his game so fatigue doesn't hurt that much unless your that bad were those kinds of thing matter to you to do decent.
The only problem with maining Squirtle on his own (I'm going to humor you about fatigue) is that he's too incredibly light and his recovery is sub-par despite his excellent aerial game. It is possible that if Chillindude swapped to Charizard when his % began getting pretty high, he might've lasted longer and may even have been able to 2 or 3-stock his opponents instead of just "doing fine for 3 stocks"
seperating them all on the tier list doesn't sound wrong at all they are all different characters would you say squirtle is as equal in any match as ivysaur if your answer is no then obviously he's a higher tier if your answer is yes then your just an idiot thats just trying to be defiant, and thats fine cause your input means nothing. so yeah they can be ranked on different parts of the tierlist
Just because they have different movesets doesn't mean that they should be classified separately. Also, your logic is flawed. You're saying that if Ivysaur can be equal to Squirtle in terms of effectiveness in any match up, then we are simply trying to be defiant, yet we have an
entire thread concerning these matchups. According to the thread, Ivysaur has many matchups in which he does just much better than Squirtle would against certain characters, and quite a few they perform equally good or bad. . Also, while I'm at it, just because Squirtle and Ivysaur perform differently in a given matchup does not automatically mean that Squirtle is better than Ivysaur, or vice versa. Now, while it IS true that theoretically depending on playstyles, Squirtle and Ivysaur may perform differently on many matchups, the characters are just too intertwined to be classified separately.
Remember this is a forum where we discuss and debate things so don't look at this as a pointless thread that needs to be locked cause thinking like that only proves that every thread might as well be locked
In b4 lok lol
I think there should be four places on the tier list, one for PT and other for each pokemon, that way every pokemon gets his own analisis and PT is trated as a character, because normally people main pokemon trainer, not one pokemon, and yes, it can have his sense, but only in one stock matches
Too much space. Much easier to just have one placement, as to main one pokemon is just begging punishment from a defensive player or one who stalls the match.
Seriously, no Pokemon should be on their own.
Lucario, Pikachu, and Jigglypuff say hi! :D
pt is one character, just because you see a guy who does fine with squirtle 3 stocks means that the person is stupid,
Or maybe they just like Squirtle and can use Squirtle well, and are trying to concentrate on their strengths in a serious tourneymatch rather than risking their weaker options. It doesn't necessarily mean the person is stupid rather than that they don't have confidence in their ability to play the other two, which is perfectly fine. They're just risking things a bit with the Fatigue system and will run into trouble if they fight an opponent who can stall well.
honestley it's like saying you can own with wolf without dying the same happened here,
Hey, if you can, that's just the sign of a great player depending on who you can beat without dying...
plus squirtle vs ivysaur, fatiuge plus squirtle being weak to grass and extremley light i think could die to ivysaur's U smash at 0%.
He wasn't talking about Squirtle vs. Ivysaur specifically, but rather how they perform in a given matchup. And an uncharged Ivy Usmash KO's Squirtle around ~38% or so if I remember right. Also, if you really want to get into the matchup, Squirtle's edgeguards could spell lots of trouble for our favorite quadrupedal flowerchild.
they put in fatiuge so YOU DO SWITCH. the 3 pokemon are lovers, they can't become one without the other (if anyone says threesome i will kill them) seriously PT, that's why the pokemon don't even have their own trophy.
ACTUALLY, they do! You have to beat Classic mode 3 times to get each trophy, which I really think was a stupid idea. D: Also, you really did walk into the threesome comment. You can't just go around talking about a love triangle without someone recommending a threesome. And you can do fine with maining just 2 of them most of the time.
The only reason why zelda and Sheik aren't ranked on the same is because you aren't forced to switch with fatiuge or when you die you don't automatically switch, PT is one Character, and if you don't think of it as one character then you arent going to do good,
Actually, thinking of PT as a single character is a hazardous thought process. If I start playing Ivysaur like I do Squirtle or Charizard, I'm not gonna last very long off the edge. ;-; The idea is to RECOGNIZE that the three are completely different and to UTILIZE those differences to turn the tables and behave DIFFERENTLY and appropriately when you switch.
if you do master all 3 you can eaisly kick someone really hard, they need to start to adjust to a different play-style a lot,
Actually, adjusting and adapting at high-end play really isn't too difficult and is really overestimated as a tactic. If I play my friend's sheik over and over again and learn to counter his every move, I'm not suddenly going to get 3-stocked because he tries DK. I'm just going to adapt to his DK and fight like normal. But yeah, it does have a slight effect at the beginning of the match.
i don't feel like getting into a long argument about this cause I argue this before but I'll just summarize.
I only use a char that is fun. Charizard is very fun for me and one of my fav. character. I don't like ivysaur defensive play or how squirtle play. I just go around doing well time rock smashes. So I just use charizard.
of course I know the pro and cons but I'm really in it for the fun of the game. So I only use charizard. u can level up all ur pokemon together but i prefer ****** the elite 4 with my level 100 charizard just like the old days.
That's a perfectly fine way to play. Personally, I love spamming Falcon Punch, but I'd never try it in a serious money match or tourney or something. Just don't expect to be winning any tourneys with that logic.
