Lamsauce
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Pokemon Trainer Meta Game?
- Thread starter Lamsauce
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Nebunera
Smash Apprentice
Ivysaur: Probably the best one Meta wise. Has a lot of tools and can possibly redeem itself to many situations out there.
Squirtle: My personal favorite, I think he works best at low percent or beginning of a match. Fast, good offensive attacks and good recovery (the others have good recovery too but Squirtle does it the fastest).
Charizard: Good for comeback and high percentage survival (considering it is a heavyweight), and has some risk-reward components to it.
This is probably how I would use the three if I wasn't strictly playing one.
Squirtle: My personal favorite, I think he works best at low percent or beginning of a match. Fast, good offensive attacks and good recovery (the others have good recovery too but Squirtle does it the fastest).
Charizard: Good for comeback and high percentage survival (considering it is a heavyweight), and has some risk-reward components to it.
This is probably how I would use the three if I wasn't strictly playing one.
I'm interested in the switch meta. Swapping pokemon at ideal times could make up for their weaknesses. Charizard's in the air above the stage>switch to Squirtle to land. Ivy's offstage>switch to Char to recover. Squirt is somehow worse than Ivy>switch (it could happen, right?).
Individually, Squirt looks pretty good all around. Ivy doesn't have the reach she had in brawl but might be good at racking up damage. Charizard has good late game survivability and KO potential.
Individually, Squirt looks pretty good all around. Ivy doesn't have the reach she had in brawl but might be good at racking up damage. Charizard has good late game survivability and KO potential.
Anuran
Smash Apprentice
I believe the proper pokemon terminology is a "lead"
I am thinking optimal lead is probably going to differ between matchups between
/ but likely neutral with never be optimal outside of late-game situations/recovery.
Lamsauce
Smash Rookie
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WingedKnight
Smash Ace
I'm very curious to see how Pokemon Trainer performs on the competitive scene this time around. It's interesting that many of the first impression "tier lists" I've seen rank the different Pokemon separately. I suppose that helps to give an idea of their overall power levels, but it's important to remember that effectively using all of the available options is the optimal playstyle. As others have mentioned, a fighter that can switch between multiple characters with different roles and archetypes will always be at least a little bit better than the best of those characters. Even if two out of three were dead weight, the fighter as a whole wouldn't be any worse than the lone effective option because the optimal strategy would be to stick to playing that character. As it is, Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard all look like they complement one another well. Time will tell how "strong" each of the Pokemon is individually in terms of matchups, but I have faith that the Trainer's flexibility and versatility is going to be a major selling point.
Charizard picked up a number of nice changes since Smash 4, and even if its own comparative strength hasn't shifted much relative to the rest of the roster it brings great options to its team. It's my favorite of the three Pokemon, but I definitely expect to be using primarily Squirtle or Ivysaur depending on whether I need a combo-oriented speedster or a disjointed zoner for a particular matchup. Zard will see a lot of play when it's time to KO or avoid being KO'd, due to its weight, recovery, and powerful kill options. I already miss Rock Smash, but being able to switch to Squirtle with the speed of a spot dodge is a much better way to get out of danger or reset the neutral. I do like how the order of switching allows you to get the Pokemon you most need right away in certain tight spots like recovering (Ivysaur to Charizard) or escaping (Charizard to Squirtle).
Charizard picked up a number of nice changes since Smash 4, and even if its own comparative strength hasn't shifted much relative to the rest of the roster it brings great options to its team. It's my favorite of the three Pokemon, but I definitely expect to be using primarily Squirtle or Ivysaur depending on whether I need a combo-oriented speedster or a disjointed zoner for a particular matchup. Zard will see a lot of play when it's time to KO or avoid being KO'd, due to its weight, recovery, and powerful kill options. I already miss Rock Smash, but being able to switch to Squirtle with the speed of a spot dodge is a much better way to get out of danger or reset the neutral. I do like how the order of switching allows you to get the Pokemon you most need right away in certain tight spots like recovering (Ivysaur to Charizard) or escaping (Charizard to Squirtle).