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Personally, I do not believe Lucas to be a rush-down character. I only attack when I see the opportunities and I often space myself using PK Fire and it's recoil. Very useful in the neutral game.
I enjoy playing with Lucas a lot and I feel like I'm not really bad with him, but when it comes to wins and losses, I'm doing absolutely terrible with him. Seems like a lot of people are. I'm having a hard time beating the computer (my record against them today is absolutely horrendous) and that's not something that's ever really been a problem for me.
It is probably just people who have not used him much and are trying him out since they paid for him, or just transitioning from ness over to him. If you are missing simple recoveries you either don't know what you are doing or are too used to ness' pkt, which is a lot faster.
That's weird I'm winning almost every for glory match that I fight, idk, his moveset really suits me also I'm in love with down smash
Only use tether grabs as a punish and although yes, he has a lot of combos out of down throws, he is definitely not 100% reliant on landing them. Just watch NAKAT's day 1 Lucas videos, he does a lot of approaching with N-Airs and N-Airs in general. He loves to chain them into more N-Airs or other aerials like U-Air and that's like one of his biggest ways of racking up damage. I'd also say it's more important you learn how to space well with PK Fires and space them properly and rack up damage with that move because it's godlike.
Then you're not spacing well enough with it, I use the move a lot and hardly get punished for it unless I misjudge my spacing between the enemy and I. Look in about ten seconds the Roy perfect shields it and is a pretty close distance to Roy and he is not able to punish it and NAKAT is able to quickly use a jab to knock him away:
That wasn't close. That was maximum range, of course he couldn't punish it. I mean, the move has a pretty obvious startup. Obviously it's not useless, but if you're able to use it as an approach, that really seems like it depends on the matchup. I see that being really easy to punish as Greninja, Zero Suit, Bowser.
We shall call Lucas's D-throw into Up-air the "New Hah."
I think it's a good mix up with approaching too and especially with wave bouncing it will play mind games with your opponent. It's also can stage spike as you approach the stage and they get greedy.
These are really helpful, I just need to footstool accurately when I need to. I can't seem to do it.
That was not maximum range, PK Fire goes a bit more further than that and if you're using it so close then you deserve to be punished for it. There's a reason why I said to space it and obviously yes it does have a start-up making it predictable but the enemy won't perfect shield it every time and it can catch the enemy off and I'm not saying to spam it but it should be a tool that's utilized often and watching Dabuz's stream he has said himself he thinks PK Fire is a move that Lucas should be using a lot. Perhaps it does depend on match-up but Roy isn't exactly slow either and IIRC he's faster than Marth as well.
Agreed with everyting said but I'm not sure about a buff, a lot of people I've talked with said he's definitely high tier and NAKAT said he thinks Lucas is top 15, if not top 20 but that is day 2 impressions so hard to say.
Yeah agreed a slight buff wouldn't hurt, maybe if his F-Air or N-Air auto cancelled or they just reduced the end lag on his PK Thunder then that'd help a lot.
As much as I love Lucas.. This is true
LOL REALLY?
We in the Sheik airdodge life now :v
This is frustrating. When Sakurai stated lucas felt good it worried me. Example: Samus is the best in the game.
Wait am I misunderstanding? I'm short hop air dodging normally right now, you just have to do it literally right when you short hop. I've also been watching NAKAT using PKT1 really good as a gimping option and even when they're not off-stage, he controls his PKT1 really well.
That's weird.. Do you get lag when you land?
Mhm there's some landing lag though I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing. Is it just short hop -> air dodge or you guys talking about something completely different?
