I don't think you entirely get it, Untrust Us.
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They only do that because other people are paying for it.Those companies make enough money to cover their losses.
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I don't think you entirely get it, Untrust Us.
This doesn't counter my last argument.Your neighbor is an idiot for trying to sell something as scarce as air.
Imagine if we did that with ice. People used to go around town with huge blocks of ice and other people would buy a block every day and store it in a special "ice box." Then along comes a refrigerator capable of copying ice. Anyone can buy one and make their own ice. Obviously a world with refrigerators is better than a world without them, even though it puts the block-of-ice people out of a job. Can you imagine if, to this day, you were not allowed to create ice in your fridge and instead had to buy blocks of it from your neighbor's company?
What argument? You basically said 'copying and giving away for free is stealing.' I'm describing several scenarios in which most people would agree that such a notion is absurd. If you think your neighbor deserves a profit for selling cars in a world where car replicators exist, then I don't have a counter for that besides "I disagree." Frankly, that's all I need. Of course, you then need to acknowledge that I deserve a profit for selling air.No the ingredients aren't your computer, that's the device you're using for stealing.
It's like say hypothetically you have a machine that can replicate anything. Your next door neighbour spends his time making cars and decides he wants to sell them for money. You notice his cars and think "Wow that looks awesome!" and use your replicator to copy it. Your then start copying loads of them and start sharing them with the world for free.
That's stealing.
Except in many case's here the qoute should say thisI can imagine for most people it is something like: "I know it is wrong, but dammit I want to watch the whole season of _________"
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Even though theres different moral dilemma with different area's of piracy, such as music (I know the artists get screwed over to no end by their record labels) as opposed to something like games where its not quite like that. But your still taking money away from the company, and in some cases who ever invested in that company for the game they made. both companies can lose money. And if it doesn't sell good at a retail level (But its a popular game to pirate) then people will most likely lose their jobs in the smaller studio that put hard work into making the game."I know it is wrong, but dammit I don't want to accept its wrong so i can keep getting everything for free, to that end I'll search for loop holes to justify actions I know are wrong"
See, I don't feel like wasting my time typing refutations that have already been typed. So stop being an ignorant troll.Selling ice or selling air is nothing like spending your time and effort to create something that very few people can, just for it to be stolen by some randomer who is too cheap to spend a miniscule amount of money on it. Those 2 situations are nothing alike.
And no I haven't read it. But seeing as though you, who has read it, hasn't come up for a good reason as to why you think it's ok to take something you have to pay for for free, then I don't think I'm going to waste my time.
if the world thought like this, lots of industries would cease to exist (and vital ones at that).For example, given that we have free software, people could spend their time working on commission to develop mods or custom pieces. Since I'm not spending money on a game, I'm spending it on a smoothie or something, which means more smoothie makers and fruit growers and whatnot are put to work.
You're not refuting my point. It doesn't matter how much you try to group media with things you can get for free with little to no effort, like ice, air or water, it's not the same thing.See, I don't feel like wasting my time typing refutations that have already been typed. So stop being an ignorant troll.
Vaudeville resisted the phonograph, but common sense prevailed.
You still haven't acknowledged the difference between stealing and copying, even though I've literally posted it like 5 times.
Here's yet another analogy. Suppose I'm really, really dumb, and I painstakingly combine H2 and O2 through electrolosis or something into water. Should I get pissed that you refuse to buy water from me and instead just buy a filter or something. Of course not. Besides, (seriously, ****ing read the thread this is annoying) it's not like software developers are hurting. Most people do give up something for the software they COPY
there's a great website called last.fm and have you heard of pandora?i download to sample. i'm tired of buying albums that only have one good song, but if i like the album or at least 5 to 6 songs on it, i'll buy it.
That's why I said "unfortunately this is reality" at the end of my post.The problem with that though Aidan is that if you wanted to listen to your friends album whenever you wanted you'd have to buy your own one. It's like how much you like MW2, you could get a loan of it from your friends, but you wouldn't be able to keep it.
And, unfortunately, tons of people appreciating your product does not put food on the table.
If you want to read this where it's properly formatted, you know where to look (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=214870
). These examples all fit all..........to share.
Wow, I like you, be my friend?Being in a band myself I do understand the important of exposure on your bands music, but I also understand the necessity of making a decent living. Though bands do make SOME money from CD sales, it mostly goes to producers/labels. The bulk of money made by the band is made from touring. Downloading music illegally isn't all that harmful to the band, but from the label.
You can download off youtube now so that makes it even easier. I actually don't mind people getting music for free, especially when it is 'underground' music because exposure is all you need. (My bands music is going to be put up on youtube this tuesday so more people can hear it for FREE!)
I understand that downloading music illegally is wrong, but it isn't the end of the world. As for other videos and TV's shows etc that could be much more detrimental.
Because you're supposed to and as a whole it gives the companies an incentive to make more of what you want?When your given a thing such as the internet,where in general information is free,why would you bother paying for it?
Yes. They slaved for days and months and millions of dollars not to have someone get it for free.I mean,do you really feel that you have some sort or moral obligation to the creators or something you want?
Yes, because they paid for it, and it isn't copying.Is it really any different to going over to your friends house and listening to an album they bought?Or something similar like playing some new video game.
That logic really doesn't make much sense, you pay for the right to be able to use the song whenever you want, including for others (though not for a profit), it's still the same song from the same "origin", a disc that was paid for (or iTune/mp3 download).No.Your friend may have paid for it.But you haven't and still get to experience it without paying.I mean,he could go" no way man I paid for this so only I get to listen to it,buy your own one or give me 5 dollars"
While plenty of corperations are greedy, without money we'd be selfish, lazy, thieving . . . . .well, I 'll just say people that do not do work because there is no benefit to ourselves that can keep the work sustainable, because other people would just take the profits and use them for themselves.It's only because people care about money too much,that's what makes free information a problem.
Not if you need to put food on the table, or need money to make another game/song/whatever to make your fans happy.You make something great and introduce it to the world,if anything tons and tons of people wanting/appreciating/needing it should be enough satisfaction,then if a few people are willing to pay for it then that's great.
Most things that are free are of much lower quality than what you pay for. Reason? No incentive to make it a priority, they'll put life ahead of the project because they need to earn money somehow. Paying for something makes it a higher priority because the creators earn money from doing a good job and essentially make it their main work place rather than going to, say, a supermarket. The better the job, the more money they earn, and a cycle continues (or should continue, some companies unfortunately become corrupt, but those don't usually last too long, with a few big exceptions)A lot of people create stuff that is practically used for free and never make tons of money from it.
While true, people still need to be able to make money, so the use of another person's work as a direct stepping stone should require royalties, unfortunately most companies won't even go that far and keep it to themselves, but that's different than pirating being acceptable. (In the sense of direct copying, not using a design and making a "replica" with your own touches, songs don't count because you're still copying the lyrics/melody/etc even if you change a few things, so that's still direct)If more people were willing to share anything and everything we possibly could.Not only do I think the world would be a better place,but we'd probably create things we could probably never imagine.
Are people selfish? Yes.I'm just a dreamer though,unfortunately this is reality and it kinda sucks sometimes.
I know right!Well the irony about Earthbound is that they used real songs and references that they weren't supposed to, which is why they aren't able to legally release it again, which causes people to use it when they aren't supposed to. I don't understand why they just don't make new songs that sound similar in order to get it on safer grounds, but they don't.
If your caught pirating once in the US, its a fine and/or jailthere's a new law starting that makes it if you repeatedly download illegally and ignore warnings over here (UK) your internet connection will be slowed dramatically by your service provider.