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Oklahoma Thread: Weekly events for all games in OKC and Tulsa

TxZero

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So I got to thinking the other day about how I really struggle with certain matchups as a Falco main (Jiggs, occasionally peach) and I went back and watched some matches from pound V, where armada used Young Link against Hbox to take the set.

Now seeing as I'm not the most experienced player (gonna be one year in august! Wooo!) I wanted to get some feedback as to if it would be better to just suck it up and learn how to play the match up as falco, or to try and learn a secret pocket character, and maybe catch some people off guard.

Also, I know how good you have to be to play a low tier character at the level required to be successful. I mean armada just won genesis 2, right?(if I'm wrong correct me.) so that would make him the best in the world as of right now, but I would only have to learn one or two match-ups with the character, instead of a whole roster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8twwXHDIVBc < armada vs hbox
 
the_irish_dude

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i would say suck it up and learn the tough matchups....but thats coming from an IC player. its never a bad thing to have a second. i mean really in tournys if u pick ur main and u lose u can change to ur 2nd but then if u win the 2nd match then they choose who to counter with.
so really if they have good exp against ur 2nd with a counter of their own then its a mute point. learning matchups with ur main is the best. again tho...coming from an IC >.<
 
Hazygoose

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as someone who plays too many characters i would still agree with josh. the only time i would recommend using a secondary is if the matchup with your main is a hard counter, or if you are already comfortable with a matchup from previous experience. for instance, in my short stint as a samus main, i still pocketed sheik for sheik dittos because samus v sheik is terribad and i wasn't comfortable with the matchup. as for the latter, if you "mained" someone else as a casual player or before your current main, you may still feel like your ability to handle a certain character with that old main is higher, or even just could be higher with some practice...since falco has like 0 hard counters, but peach and jiggs are annoying enough playing as falco that i would say the latter reason still justifies it if you can't or don't feel comfortable altering your playstyle so much as you have to do for those matchups.
 
Sars_Pirate

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It's only really useful having those aces in your pocket if you develop them to being diehard ____ counters. Otherwise, it's useless to pursue playing multiple characters.

Also I'm coming back to Oklahoma on Monday-ish. At that day, I need to talk to JAMS people (BRYAN!!!! You need to help me out on this).
 
TxZero

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the_irish_dude said:
i would say suck it up and learn the tough matchups....but thats coming from an IC player. its never a bad thing to have a second. i mean really in tournys if u pick ur main and u lose u can change to ur 2nd but then if u win the 2nd match then they choose who to counter with.
so really if they have good exp against ur 2nd with a counter of their own then its a mute point. learning matchups with ur main is the best. again tho...coming from an IC >.<
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I was thinking more in a theoretical situation like: first round I pick falco, and my opponent picks fox, I take the first game and they CP my Falco with Jiggs, so I would take them to yoshi's (assuming no ban) and CP YL. It could catch someone off guard, i dunno. It might be a side project that would be better to take up after I get better at the game in general.

Hazygoose said:
as someone who plays too many characters i would still agree with josh. the only time i would recommend using a secondary is if the matchup with your main is a hard counter, or if you are already comfortable with a matchup from previous experience. for instance, in my short stint as a samus main, i still pocketed sheik for sheik dittos because samus v sheik is terribad and i wasn't comfortable with the matchup. as for the latter, if you "mained" someone else as a casual player or before your current main, you may still feel like your ability to handle a certain character with that old main is higher, or even just could be higher with some practice...since falco has like 0 hard counters, but peach and jiggs are annoying enough playing as falco that i would say the latter reason still justifies it if you can't or don't feel comfortable altering your playstyle so much as you have to do for those matchups.
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Well I have the problem that I've heard a lot of newer Falco's have, and that's when a match starts, I kinda just go ape **** with lazers and moving around the stage, without any sort of real idea when to go in. seeing as All Jiggs really has to do is land either one grab, or snag a well placed back air near the edge and I lose a stock, I'm usually too scared to get anywhere near her. Another problem I'm going to have is that I have zero Marth experience, though for a short while I tried switching to Marth as a main. Anyway the few times I played a Marth (Zinth) I found myself getting grabbed, down thrown, and gimped, or chain grabbed with U-Throws.. Oh right, I'm getting off topic, Jiggs is gay.

Sars_Pirate said:
It's only really useful having those aces in your pocket if you develop them to being diehard ____ counters. Otherwise, it's useless to pursue playing multiple characters.

Also I'm coming back to Oklahoma on Monday-ish. At that day, I need to talk to JAMS people (BRYAN!!!! You need to help me out on this).
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Well that was sorta the goal I had in mind, because all Jiggs players wanna do is camp until you run into their Back air, I would play a character that would force them to play a way that may be uncomfortable for them.
 
the_irish_dude

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TxZero said:
Well I have the problem that I've heard a lot of newer Falco's have, and that's when a match starts, I kinda just go ape **** with lazers and moving around the stage, without any sort of real idea when to go in. seeing as All Jiggs really has to do is land either one grab, or snag a well placed back air near the edge and I lose a stock, I'm usually too scared to get anywhere near her. Another problem I'm going to have is that I have zero Marth experience, though for a short while I tried switching to Marth as a main. Anyway the few times I played a Marth (Zinth) I found myself getting grabbed, down thrown, and gimped, or chain grabbed with U-Throws.. Oh right, I'm getting off topic, Jiggs is gay.
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if thats a real issue you have then what i would first suggest is stage control. it sounds simple but its something that can take alot of practice to understand at times. if your character has a crappy as recovery, the you always wanna focus on being in the middle of the stage. the edge is like a teammate.
whenever your being pressured, always stay focused on the stage presence. never go behind them always step back or jump back or w/e. always good practice to not let your opp. get control of the stage
 
TxZero

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the_irish_dude said:
if thats a real issue you have then what i would first suggest is stage control. it sounds simple but its something that can take alot of practice to understand at times. if your character has a crappy as recovery, the you always wanna focus on being in the middle of the stage. the edge is like a teammate.
whenever your being pressured, always stay focused on the stage presence. never go behind them always step back or jump back or w/e. always good practice to not let your opp. get control of the stage
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This is true, what I've noticed happening in my games is that I'll camp with lasers in the middle of the stage, while my opponent sits near the edge, then when they get close, I get closer and closer to the edge until I realize I'm running out of places to run. I think I just sort of lack a pressure game with falco outside of lasers, which is what makes the character good really. I guess I really need to work on that too.
 
the_irish_dude

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i got loads of that if ud come to my place.... wait...cats is at ur place... nevermind....u got all the furry porn :(
 
Typ_Ex

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chozo is definitely the ****tiest poster unless he meant to put up "trollface.jpg"
 
Mr. Johan

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I'm getting so ****ing sick and tired of nosy relatives who can't mind their own goddamn business and just not care what the flying **** me and my folks do. I may make a new Facebook account to circumvent that and laugh maniacally and smugly at them behind closed doors.
 
DualCats

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Only on the internet. In real life, I'm cat trapped in the body of a woman trapped in the body of a man. Trapped in the closet. So I pulled out my gun.
 
DualCats

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Yeah, dude. We thought we were going to show up a lot earlier. And then we got lost. >.< But we should do it again sometime.
 
the_irish_dude

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speaking of which does anyone wanna try and make it out to my place tonight? i wanna smash but i got no gas to go anywhere >.<
 
DualCats

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Maybe. Tonight might be minecraft night because Andy and I have been playing nonstop melee for like a year straight now.
 
Sars_Pirate

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So Curtis, how about that poster?

In other news, I'm gonna come back to Oklahoma tomorrow. Probably wanna smash on Wednesday. Gotta get down on Wednesday.
 
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