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When they announce the next console.
Best case scenario, I think it would only be 20 cuts, but I feel like we’ll have 25-35 cuts as I don’t imagine the developers wanting to have a fighter count smaller than SSBFor, but Ultimate was a huge undertaking. In terms of unique fighters, I’d say 15-30 depending on how we count clones and echoes.
There's a non-zero chance of them doing what nearly every other fighting game of the past few years did and just ditch the concept of secret fighters entirely.
I think they’ll stick around, especially if we get a big adventure mode. I could see some historically secret characters like Luigi not being secrets next time.
If at most there were 30 cuts, who do you think they would be? And how many newcomers would be a feasible amount to compensate?
Half of these would probably be third-parties, imo.
If we lost 30 unique characters, we would have 52 returning veterans. And then if we added a standard amount of newcomers to that lineup, let's say 15 brand new unique fighters, we would have a comparable number of characters to Ultimate at launch. 67 characters, so two short. Maybe we could get a couple more thrown in there to bring us somewhere close to the number of new characters added in Brawl.
I assume that most of the veterans who would be cut would probably be from the third tier and below on my priority list that I have, but this isn’t definitive as something like Pokemon Trainer or Ike/Robin could fall through the cracks while someone else like R.O.B. or Aegis returns.
Miis should be their own tier in your thing because they're absolutely getting kicked out if Switch 2 doesn't have a Mii maker.It‘s nice to see opinions on unlockable fighters, and I feel like there will probably only be a few secret fighters, and I assume the majority of newcomers would be starter characters like in Brawl and For. My best guess would be that it would be like For 3DS in terms of secret fighters where Luigi, Marth, and Lucario are starters but not Ganondorf, Mr. Game & Watch, and Jigglypuff (assuming that it returns).
I assume that most of the veterans who would be cut would probably be from the third tier and below on my priority list that I have, but this isn’t definitive as something like Pokemon Trainer or Ike/Robin could fall through the cracks while someone else like R.O.B. or Aegis returns.
In terms of newcomers, I assume that we’ll have 10 unique ones and a couple clones.
Priority List (these are unordered)
I Can’t See Them Ever Leaving
Will Only Be Cut if Resources Are Really Tight
They’re Not First on the Chopping Block, But I Wouldn’t be Shocked If They Miss the Boat
I Have No Clue What to Make of Them
Probably First on the Chopping Block
I feel like cuting 30 unique characters is too much, the game will be hated on with that many cuts, i'm sure Nintendo and Sakurai wants to soften the blow of the possible cut characters, they're not going to cut that many characters at all, it would be a disasters.
I truly think Smash would sooner implement their own Mii Maker before they cut Miis. Unless Nintendo introduces a different kind of avatar, they are Smash's vessel for customizable characters and have essentially made themselves into a way for Smash to cross over with series they wouldn't have had the resources to otherwise while also making them a lot of extra cash - which I personally doubt character specific costumes would make back the same way.
Clinging onto this mindset is IMO unrealistic and only setting yourself up for disappointment. I'll very happily be wrong if the cuts end up being sparse, but "cutting characters will make people sad" is not a good excuse for why it shouldn't happen. I'm sure they will try to avoid scaling down as much as they feasibly can but expecting an 80 character roster at launch is, as far as we've been told, not reasonable.
Well, the Sportsmates already exists.
That's about as many cuts Street Fighter 6 had and the previous game had less than half of Ultimate's roster. And the exact same thing happened when transitioning from 4 to 5 as well.
There's often a general consensus of which characters can make pulling "EVERYONE IS HERE!" a legal nightmare. Among your guesses, NONE of them are any of these characters...
sounds a little overly dramatic to me. I mean haven’t you solved the problem already?
Actually, this made me think of something; I know that the following characters are major recurring requests left hanging:
I'm not convinced until we see more of that, as of now they're just in one game and have not extended further. I can't imagine a new Tomodachi Life featuring the Switch Sports avatars would go over very well, given the response to those characters being lukewarm to begin with and their game still including Miis as a playable option. I don't think they are a realistic replacement and they don't seem popular enough to start making more games around.
I like unlockable characters, exploring the game and finding secret characters have always been some of my fondest memories. I can't say I like how the past two games handled it though.
What does even this mean lol.
You think we'll get a port... but still think it'll have cuts?
So why argue that they'd even cut anyone at all? Everyone is here means EVERYONE, not "Everyone who doesn't suck is here".
Bruh.
Yeah. I never said that, only that having almost everyone barring a few first parties while keeping every third-party and thus forcing Sakurai to go through the mountain of legal hassles and negotiations with other companies that may or may not be down to have their character back made you sound like a hater.
See?
That's why I think Young Link might come back, despite doubting the next Smash will be Ultimate Deluxe. I've seen way more Youngs than Toons.
No.
Let me take some (non-serious) guesses.But why do people consistently suggest cutting these guys?
Either Melee/Brawl PTSD or taking their cut in Smash 4 without context by saying "they cut them they can do it again." Gyro PTSD My guess is to replace her with the Ring Fit Trainee since both are from exercise-focused IPs. Also the Wii's old. People like having aerials If someone played the game, PTSD from that goddamn laugh. If not, then it's because Banjo and Kazooie is totally the same character :V PTSD for her entire moveset. Also, "ARMS is totally a dead game"
Precedence doesn’t mean much when smash has never had a history of cutting much.In the history of the franchise, we've only ever had two franchises cut.
One was Ice Climber. We know that the Ice Climbers were supposed to appear in Smash 4 but couldn't due to technical difficulties. They weren't supposed to be cut.
The other was Metal Gear. We don't know why it was cut, but third party legal troubles are likely the reason. We have no reason to believe Snake was intended to be included in Smash 4.
An easy conclusion to take from this is that Sakurai doesn't intend to cut first party franchises. Once they're in, they're in. The far majority of first party IPs included in Smash don't have characters. So the franchises with characters can be seen as essential, either from obvious marketing merits or historical significance. They're special in some way.
So I have to ask, why do people think we're going to lose first party franchises like the retros, Punch Out!!, Wii Fit or ARMS? Sure these franchises aren't as notable as they once were and they aren't a part of Smash's identity like Earthbound or F-Zero. But we don't have precedence that entire first party franchises will be cut out.
We do have precedence for third party franchises being cut. And we do have precedence for supporting cast members of already represented franchises being cut.
But why do people consistently suggest cutting these guys?
I agree the next Smash will be smaller.
Terry replaced by Rock so people who don't know SNK start calling him Fist Shulk
Because it's possible Wii Fit and ARMS could go if theres around or even over 10 cuts that include unique characters. I have no idea why this fanbase is obsessed with paterns, just because they haven't done x thing doesn't mean they ever won't unless it's explicity stated like no anime characters.In the history of the franchise, we've only ever had two franchises cut.
One was Ice Climber. We know that the Ice Climbers were supposed to appear in Smash 4 but couldn't due to technical difficulties. They weren't supposed to be cut.
The other was Metal Gear. We don't know why it was cut, but third party legal troubles are likely the reason. We have no reason to believe Snake was intended to be included in Smash 4.
An easy conclusion to take from this is that Sakurai doesn't intend to cut first party franchises. Once they're in, they're in. The far majority of first party IPs included in Smash don't have characters. So the franchises with characters can be seen as essential, either from obvious marketing merits or historical significance. They're special in some way.
So I have to ask, why do people think we're going to lose first party franchises like the retros, Punch Out!!, Wii Fit or ARMS? Sure these franchises aren't as notable as they once were and they aren't a part of Smash's identity like Earthbound or F-Zero. But we don't have precedence that entire first party franchises will be cut out.
We do have precedence for third party franchises being cut. And we do have precedence for supporting cast members of already represented franchises being cut.
But why do people consistently suggest cutting these guys?
