Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[MooMew64]

I don't know... as far as I know, every single direct leak that even mentions Mario remasters have been proven false.

The original leaks earlier in the year never said they would be announced via Directs. To the contrary, they said Nintendo had no E3 replacement planned for the entirety of Summer, and to expect more Twitter update shadow drops.

Most of this comes from VentureBeat, who I believe were some of the original sources for things like the Mario Remasters, Pikmin 3, and Mario 3D World. They also corroborated rumors of a new Paper Mario before OK's reveal.

 

[PeridotGX]

I don't trust leaked nintendo direct dates to be worth it. going off the "recent" ones...

January 11th, 2018
March 26th, 2020
July 20th, 2020

every direct that has leaked has been either a mini or a Partner Showcase. It's never been a big one.

 

[Calamitas]

Regardless, Mario Remasters are a safe guess atm. Those and the 3D World port are the only parts of the leaks back in March that haven't come true yet...

Weren't there also some people talking about a new 2D Metroid who also brought up Paper Mario?

 

[MooMew64]

Weren't there also some people talking about a new 2D Metroid who also brought up Paper Mario?

That's was floating around a lot earlier this year, yeah. Hard to say where it's at credibility wise, though: It kind of disappeared in discussion amidst the Mario Remasters hype. Given how often it was paired with Paper Mario, I'd say odds are it's probably coming.

Mercury Steam definitely wants to make another, as we saw at the end of Samus Returns. Gotta wait and see on this one, honestly.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

I'm not going to argue the likelihood of whether or not a Direct is still possible if the 3D Mario Collection actually does end up getting shadow dropped soon, but I will say that I think some people are treating the collection as a bigger deal than it actually is, at least if it's still supposed to be just three remasters. Now, if they end up being full-blown remakes I could get it, but just three Mario remasters in one isn't a big deal, and would probably be the most irrelevant thing Nintendo would release this year. Honestly, seems like the only reason they've gained as much attention as they have is just because Nintendo's been ridiculously silent this year.

 

[Megadoomer]

I don't know... as far as I know, every single direct leak that even mentions Mario remasters have been proven false.

Presumably, most/all of those people are piggy-backing on the Mario remasters to make their fake leak seem more legitimate. It's like during Smash 4 speculation, where people included details in their fake leaks that Vergeben had mentioned, like Simon Belmont being in the game.

I don't know if there's any definitive proof that the Mario remasters are real or fake aside from hearsay and insider talk, but it being included in a fake leak doesn't make the remasters fake - I'm sure plenty of fake Direct leaks are going to mention a No More Heroes 1 remaster, or a release date for Doom Eternal or Rivals of Aether on the Switch.

 

[SNEKeater]

I don't trust leaked nintendo direct dates to be worth it. going off the "recent" ones...

January 11th, 2018
March 26th, 2020
July 20th, 2020

every direct that has leaked has been either a mini or a Partner Showcase. It's never been a big one.

I mean, those were still Directs. It's not like insiders or whoever were wrong. Not all of them, at least. Not really fair, btw, to put the Partner Showcase there. It basically was a completely new thing for Nintendo Directs.

Everyone would agree with me if I say knowing the full fighter pass 2 is very, very unlikely, right? Similar case with the directs. Insiders/leakers/whatever people wants to call them doesn't really know everything. Usually they know about certain games, maybe 1 week prior of the reveal or maybe 1 year prior to the announcement.

I don't know, I feel people usually blames the wrong insiders. If anything they should be mad at the "insiders", those who are seeking attention or those who are just trolling us. Examples? That Setanta guy on Twitter or the infamous HotGirl69, to name 2 recent examples. When the Partner Showcase happened, did they received any backlash? Of course not, because people stupidly decided to go against the one who was right (which almost no one believed at the beginning), for some reason I'll never comprehend.
It's NOT really that hard to differentiate the "good insiders" and the "bad insiders". That doesn't mean the first ones can't be wrong sometimes, I mean, leakbait or wrong sources exist, but denying that people such as Zell/Tsubasa, Nate or Jeff Grubb are folks with reliable info is just nonsense.

Seriously, sometimes I think it's some kind of phenomenon impossible to explain, how people are attracted by fake leakers and random 4chan rumours that are obviously false but then they decide to start being super analytic and cautious with the insiders we know are trustworthy. lmao

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Presumably, most/all of those people are piggy-backing on the Mario remasters to make their fake leak seem more legitimate. It's like during Smash 4 speculation, where people included details in their fake leaks that Vergeben had mentioned, like Simon Belmont being in the game.

I don't know if there's any definitive proof that the Mario remasters are real or fake aside from hearsay and insider talk, but it being included in a fake leak doesn't make the remasters fake - I'm sure plenty of fake Direct leaks are going to mention a No More Heroes 1 remaster, or a release date for Doom Eternal or Rivals of Aether on the Switch.

You mean Base Ultimate? Simon wasn’t in 4 lmao

 

[Calamitas]

Mercury Steam definitely wants to make another, as we saw at the end of Samus Returns. Gotta wait and see on this one, honestly.

Still makes you wonder. If Mercury Steam really are behind that hypothetical new 2D Metroid, are they gonna follow up on the Fusion teaser with another remake, or the Renegade Chozo Faction(?) with Metroid Dread/5?

 

[Megadoomer]

You mean Base Ultimate? Simon wasn’t in 4 lmao

Yeah, I meant Ultimate - my bad.

 

[PeridotGX]

I mean, those were still Directs. It's not like insiders or whoever were wrong. Not all of them, at least. Not really fair, btw, to put the Partner Showcase there. It basically was a completely new thing for Nintendo Directs.

Everyone would agree with me if I say knowing the full fighter pass 2 is very, very unlikely, right? Similar case with the directs. Insiders/leakers/whatever people wants to call them doesn't really know everything. Usually they know about certain games, maybe 1 week prior of the reveal or maybe 1 year prior to the announcement.

I don't know, I feel people usually blames the wrong insiders. If anything they should be mad at the "insiders", those who are seeking attention or those who are just trolling us. Examples? That Setanta guy on Twitter or the infamous HotGirl69, to name 2 recent examples. When the Partner Showcase happened, did they received any backlash? Of course not, because people stupidly decided to go against the one who was right (which almost no one believed at the beginning), for some reason I'll never comprehend.
It's NOT really that hard to differentiate the "good insiders" and the "bad insiders". That doesn't mean the first ones can't be wrong sometimes, I mean, leakbait or wrong sources exist, but denying that people such as Zell/Tsubasa, Nate or Jeff Grubb are folks with reliable info is just nonsense.

Seriously, sometimes I think it's some kind of phenomenon impossible to explain, how people are attracted by fake leakers and random 4chan rumours that are obviously false but then they decide to start being super analytic and cautious with the insiders we know are trustworthy. lmao

I never said i don't believe the leakers and the days they give, I just said that I don't trust those dates to bring relevant news. All the big directs have never had a date leak (I think)

 

[MooMew64]

Still makes you wonder. If Mercury Steam really are behind that hypothetical new 2D Metroid, are they gonna follow up on the Fusion teaser with another remake, or the Renegade Chozo Faction(?) with Metroid Dread/5?

It's hard to say. Metroid Dread is more of a "What could have been" at this point, so a remake of a more popular Metroid could be the safer course of action to really test the waters for a brand new 2D Metroid later down the line.

I sincerely hope it's Metroid Dread, though. I wanna see what those evil Chozos are up to, and weather or not it would fit into Prime lore .

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I think the evil chozo are a perfect way to set up the next Metroid game after Fusion without it becoming Ace Attorney: Samus's court martial edition, as rad as that would be.

It's an old bit of writing advice, if your story gets stuck introduce a new danger to get your character out of their current situation then work things out from there.

 

[Aetheri]

It's hard to say. Metroid Dread is more of a "What could have been" at this point, so a remake of a more popular Metroid could be the safer course of action to really test the waters for a brand new 2D Metroid later down the line.

I sincerely hope it's Metroid Dread, though. I wanna see what those evil Chozos are up to, and weather or not it would fit into Prime lore .

How many remakes do you think they'll "test the waters" with?

Samus Returns was already a toe dip into the pond. Despite sales not being outstanding the game had its acclaim with both Nintendo and Sakimoto being pleased with MS's efforts with the game.

I don't think another remake is out of the question but at this point a new game is well overdue.

 

[MooMew64]

How many remakes do you think they'll "test the waters" with?

Samus Returns was already a toe dip into the pond. Despite sales not being outstanding the game had its acclaim with both Nintendo and Sakimoto being pleased with MS's efforts with the game.

I don't think another remake is out of the question but at this point a new game is well overdue.

I could see Nintendo being really hesitant simply because they've never been too eager to do much with 2D Metroid. Remakes of popular games are near guaranteed sales and remakes and remasters are doing well right now; a new game always has more risks than a remake. That said, yes, it is about time for a brand new title, but I'm just saying I could see Nintendo doing yet another remake.

Back on to the topic of Smash, really starting to feel that September release for #7 is looking likely. Lines up nicely with amiibo releases too, so it seems like the odds are good. If it's late into next month, though, then we're definitely not seeing #8 come out this year IMO. Maaaaaybe if #8 was worked on a bunch already we could see a December launch, but I honestly don't know if I see it with the pandemic still in play potentially slowing some things down.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Spawnwave said on today's NewsWave that the Mario 3D collection will be announced within the next "week or two" and that it's coming out "sooner than people realize" 🧐👀

— HylianHero98 (@HylianHero98) August 15, 2020

Yet another confirmation of news coming potentially soon. Also some ppl on Era are theorizing that the 17th will be an announcement of an announcement for the Indie World. Ergo, announced that day, but the actual indie world airs anywhere from Tuesday to Thursday

It can't possibly come "sooner than I think" because I "thought" it would be out by now.

 

[chocolatejr9]

It can't possibly come "sooner than I think" because I "thought" it would be out by now.

How soon did you think it would be out?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Look out dudes, leaker here!

There will be video games at some point in the future...some people will like them, some will not. There will be cool stuff, there will be filler.

Like I said...there will be video games.

 

[Powerman293]

It can't possibly come "sooner than I think" because I "thought" it would be out by now.

I hate these "leakers" trying to showboat by being "it's coming sooner than you think". BRUH THE DIRECT DIDN"T HAPPEN IN JULY, WHEN EVERYONE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA HAPPEN. SHUT UP.

 

[SharkLord]

Look out dudes, leaker here!

There will be video games at some point in the future...some people will like them, some will not. There will be cool stuff, there will be filler.

Like I said...there will be video games.

hello there, leaker of the week! I shall now trust your every word despite your complete lack of a resume while at the same time ignoring established leakers who have built up a good reputation! Sound logic I have, do I not?

 

[MooMew64]

Look out dudes, leaker here!

There will be video games at some point in the future...some people will like them, some will not. There will be cool stuff, there will be filler.

Like I said...there will be video games.

Impossible. Improbable. Inconceivable! Not scientifically possible! There will never be video games, video games are a myth. Nintendo is a lie. Sakurai is a hologram! We've all been played for fools: Fools, I tell you! They played us like a dang fiddle!

Spoiler

Nah real talk news comes when it comes. Besides, people only usually care about like, one or two things from a Direct and consider the rest filler anyways.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

A lot of people who are taken as leakers are probably just speculating like the rest of us. I used to follow Spawnwave. I don't know if anything changed, but he was primarily a videogame news channel, similar to Gamexplain, but with more of a focus on the hardware/development side of things. I know he's close to some industry insiders, but unless something's changed, he doesn't have that info himself. So I'm guessing that some of what he's said has been taken as leaks when he's probably saying what he thinks should happen based on what others have said and having a rough idea of how the industry works. That is, assuming things haven't changed in the past year and a half when I stopped trying so hard to keep up with videogame news.

 

[Peeton]

Here's an interesting question: If you could add an unorthodox pick like Piranha Plant from any series that currently has a fighter, who would you pick, and how do you think they would play? If you hate picks like Piranha Plant, you can refer to a series like Fire Emblem, Pokémon, or Final Fantasy where there the competition is so steep that even major characters within the series have no chance at being added. I will give the caveat though that your pick must be one of the lesser requested characters, so no Lyn, Sceptile, or Sephiroth.

For my first unorthodox pick, I'll go with Gemini Man. He'd be a mix between Rosalina & Luma, and the Ice Climbers. Gemini Man always starts out with a clone that mimics his every move like the other Ice Climber, but isn't the cause of stupid infinite like Luma. If either the player or the AI controlled clone gets KOed, or if one of them reaches 100%, the other one becomes the "real" one, and is now controlled by the player (the first Gemini Man to reach 100% instantly dies). The remaining Gemini Man will be solo for the rest of its stock, gaining access to the Gemini Laser, but not much else.

Unorthodox picks huh? I’m not sure if he counts.

My first choice would be V from DMCV. He literally cannot attack on his own, he has 3 summons to do the damage, but they can’t kill so V has to finish the opponents. He’d be an evolution to Rosalina and luma, a true puppet character and that’s unique for smash.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Look out dudes, leaker here!

There will be video games at some point in the future...some people will like them, some will not. There will be cool stuff, there will be filler.

Like I said...there will be video games.

This leak is obviously true guys. Remember

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Still makes you wonder. If Mercury Steam really are behind that hypothetical new 2D Metroid, are they gonna follow up on the Fusion teaser with another remake, or the Renegade Chozo Faction(?) with Metroid Dread/5?

They’ve probably been developing their next 2D Metroid ever since the release of Samus Returns. Meaning the Rogue Chozo Faction would almost certainly be a tease for what their new game is about.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

You’re not a Smash fan until you look up from your phone or computer and feel the existential dread from the realization that we’ve gotten one character from Volume 2 since the announcement of Volume 2 in September of 2019.

I regret nothing.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

On the bright side of getting 1 character in 2020 it means that 2021 is going to have 5 characters!


I still think we’re getting one more this year but honesty I wouldn’t be surprised if CP7 got pushed to January.

 

[ZephyrZ]

You’re not a Smash fan until you look up from your phone or computer and feel the existential dread from the realization that we’ve gotten one character from Volume 2 since the announcement of Volume 2 in September of 2019.

I regret nothing.

How can 2020 feel like it's been going on for so long yet still feel like it's only just started at the same time?

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I wonder if Small Battlefield was meant to come with a character and their stage but was given it's own update as a play for time.

 

[SNEKeater]

Still makes you wonder. If Mercury Steam really are behind that hypothetical new 2D Metroid, are they gonna follow up on the Fusion teaser with another remake, or the Renegade Chozo Faction(?) with Metroid Dread/5?

See,

Spoiler

that's what scared me about that Fusion teaser you just mentioned. Samus Returns seems to tease something big if you 100% the game, but the game has also that brief scene with the X parasite. I mean, first I thought of it as a reference and as a connection to Fusion and how the X parasite was free to roam after Samus destroying all the metroids in the planet. But I don't know, between that scene and the fact that Mercury Steam originally had the idea of remaking Fusion...

By the way, probably not gonna happen but if Metroid 5 is a thing I hope they bring back the subtitle "Dread" even if the game hasn't anything to do with what they planned with the original Metroid Dread.
I just think it's a cool title and fits the series very well. Also because it gaves me a feel of horror playing a relevant part of the game, which is something I really like for the franchise.

How many remakes do you think they'll "test the waters" with?

Samus Returns was already a toe dip into the pond. Despite sales not being outstanding the game had its acclaim with both Nintendo and Sakimoto being pleased with MS's efforts with the game.

I don't think another remake is out of the question but at this point a new game is well overdue.

Completely agree with you. I don't really think Metroid needs more remakes to test the waters. In fact I don't really think you're gonna get a lot of new fans with remakes, at least in Metroid's case. The series needs a completely and fresh new game, inspired of course by previous 2D Metroid games and other successful metroidvania games.
I'd be okay with another remake if Zero Mission didn't exist, or Super Metroid and Metroid Fusion were very old or had aged poorly. That isn't really the case if you ask me.

Being honest, if there's a 2D Metroid game in the works and ends being a remake, I'd be very disappointed.

 

[Perkilator]

You’re not a Smash fan until you look up from your phone or computer and feel the existential dread from the realization that we’ve gotten one character from Volume 2 since the announcement of Volume 2 in September of 2019.

I regret nothing.

347 DAYS…

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

come on, lets get to 358/2 days so I can meme

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

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347 DAYS…

11.5 days later calling it quits on getting hopes up

 

[Perkilator]

11.5 days later calling it quits on getting hopes up

Slight typo; it’s 11 days over 2.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

Slight typo; it’s 11 days over 2.

Eh, it all means the same thing.
Even though it doesn't, but the director says so. I have to listen to the director. I was an English major who swapped from being a math major, so I know better, but I don't want to be fired. Please send help.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

See,

Spoiler

that's what scared me about that Fusion teaser you just mentioned. Samus Returns seems to tease something big if you 100% the game, but the game has also that brief scene with the X parasite. I mean, first I thought of it as a reference and as a connection to Fusion and how the X parasite was free to roam after Samus destroying all the metroids in the planet. But I don't know, between that scene and the fact that Mercury Steam originally had the idea of remaking Fusion...

Y’all the story of Metroid Fusion is that Samus goes back to SR-388 to get samples and that’s when we learn that the Metroid were made to wipe out the X Parasite. The tease at the end isn’t to set up a remake, it’s meant to link the two titles together that otherwise were only said to be linked through dialogue. Of course, that would mean when Samus wipes out the Metroid the X Parasite would come back in force. It’s just connective story tissue. The Chozo are the tease.

 

[MooMew64]

This wait is fine. I waited for KH3 and my brother had to wait for Final Fantasy XV, this is nothing.

I'm also still waiting for a new Wario Land.

Spoiler

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

One benefit to being an old Sega fan is that after waiting 20 plus years for another classic Sonic game and 25 plus years for an official Streets of Rage sequel that it gives you a new appreciation for patience.

 

[Speed Weed]

Look out dudes, leaker here!

There will be video games at some point in the future...some people will like them, some will not. There will be cool stuff, there will be filler.

Like I said...there will be video games.

wtf i thought we were seeing books in the future

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

If we get the Pac-Man Ghosts, I don't want it to just be the original four: I want Spunky, Funky, Sue, and Glitchy along for the ride. Let's go full-on Bowser Jr. here!

Fun Fact: Spunky would be renamed if they did this, at least for the U.K. version.

Why?

Because it means something not for good boys and girls over there.