Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[perfectchaos83]

I want to clarify something about this. If KOS-MOS is using her blade appearance from XB2 then her final smash will probably be rex using her to use x buster.

I asked, We'll see if he responds.

 

[PSIGuy]

Oh lordy, they even mention Xenogears spirits. Yeah it's ****ing fake, Squeenix are already hard enough to work when it's their popular well known IPs, they'd sooner die than do anything cool with an old IP like Gears.

 

[ES. Dinah]

Oh lordy, they even mention Xenogears spirits. Yeah it's ****ing fake, Squeenix are already hard enough to work when it's their popular well known IPs, they'd sooner die than do anything cool with an old IP like Gears.

Not exactly impossible but yeah it is a red flag. Xenogears is still supported today and had popular figurines released and a concert I believe.

 

[TheCJBrine]

“Steve has no moveset potential!”

Spoiler

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Oh lordy, they even mention Xenogears spirits. Yeah it's ****ing fake, Squeenix are already hard enough to work when it's their popular well known IPs, they'd sooner die than do anything cool with an old IP like Gears.

I'm not too familiar with Xenogear, are the character designs outright owned by someone who would need extra royalties? Cause the reason for FF is that Nomura needs royalties alongside Square's royalties for the IP and Uematsu's royalties for the music

 

[Will]

People are saying fighting game characters are boring due to being incredibly easy to translate to Smash as they actually fight

well how else are they gonna put em in the ****ing game

thats a stupid thing to whine about

 

[osby]

People are saying fighting game characters are boring due to being incredibly easy to translate to Smash as they actually fight

Wanna bet that same people also complain about characters like Wii Fit Trainer or Villager?

 

[Will]

Wanna bet that same people also complain about characters like Wii Fit Trainer or Villager?

Nah, they complain about Fire Emblem probably.

 

[Plank08]

We live in a world where a potted plant was deemed having enough of a fun and interesting moveset so the fact people still pretend moveset potential is anything more than a buzzword is honestly kinda funny. "My favourites have so much moveset potential, you can make like 50 characters just from my favourite's arsenal!" Is good and all but an enemy who bobs up and down while shooting a fire ball was deemed to have enough moveset potential too so that's not impressing anyone

That’s exactly why I feel Phoenix will get in over Dantedid I get his name right this time?

 

[AceAttorney9000]

I'm not trying to "spin" anything. We just agree on the same fundamental point, but the way we extrapolate it differs. I already said that fighting game characters can be unique, but that uniqueness is limited. As an extreme example, you won't get Hero's menu mechanic from a fighting game character.

By your logic, if a Tekken character like Heihachi were to get into Smash, they would share the same general play-style and mechanics of Ryu, Ken, and Terry: auto-facing, complex directional inputs, different move properties depending on how long the button is held, and projectiles.

Of those four, Heihachi would only share the auto-facing mechanic. The others? Nowhere to be found in Tekken, a series where there's little to no projectiles, you chain button presses and simple tilts instead of directional inputs, and moves are sorted by height instead of power (instead of "Light/Medium/Heavy" punches and kicks, you have high punches, low kicks, etc.) Did I also mention that the aerial game in Tekken is almost nonexistent?

 

[PSIGuy]

I'm not too familiar with Xenogear, are the character designs outright owned by someone who would need extra royalties? Cause the reason for FF is that Nomura needs royalties alongside Square's royalties for the IP and Uematsu's royalties for the music

It's owned by Square Enix. The artist who did the designs is a freelancer now, but SE in general are just huge pains to work with. They nixed any FF7 spirits in the base game and only allowed DQ Spirits because they get a % of all DLC sales for Hero.

Now, imagine licensing out Spirits from SE and paying the full price for their stuff... But it's not even a SE IP being added. Imagine paying the Pokemon company for Spirits for a Mario newcomer. You'd be paying through the nose for something that's not even going to be a Mii Costume, AND dividing up the Kosmos Fighter Pack between a third company instead of just Bamco and Nintendo (Monolith Soft have no claim over any of the work they did for Namco; Kosmos is NOT their character despite creating her in-house).

 

[Deleted member]

People will use any excuse they can to discredit characters they don't like.

It's one of the things I intensely dislike about the Smash fanbase. So much hate, bashing, and gatekeeping over any characters that aren't deemed worthy.

Endless defences for why their characters are great, but also endless offences for why characters they don't like aren't worthy. Extremely biased.

We've got a great game on our hands, but the community could be much better.

Its kinda silly when a lot of people argue about wanting variety and then just list characters that are extremely similar designwise. Moveset-wise the sky is the limit as pretty much you can always have interesting mechanics with each newcomer.

I'm not too familiar with Xenogear, are the character designs outright owned by someone who would need extra royalties? Cause the reason for FF is that Nomura needs royalties alongside Square's royalties for the IP and Uematsu's royalties for the music

Not that I remember, plus at most 1 or 2 spirits would be chosen from the game. Can't imagine it being difficult to work with imo given Hero being relatively easy to get with 4 skins. Would be awesome but unless dude provides proof, its just a nice dream.

 

[TheTuninator]

There's no reason to believe any random 4chan text leak anyways, unfortunately. Anyone can throw on a tripcode, & the fact that the OP didn't use one suggests that they're two different people, which is already extremely suspicious in and of itself.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

They nixed any FF7 spirits in the base game and only allowed DQ Spirits because they get a % of all DLC sales for Hero.

source?

 

[PSIGuy]

source?

Speculation, based on the fact they get DLC sales money and the very scarce FF7 content in-game.

 

[ES. Dinah]

It's owned by Square Enix. The artist who did the designs is a freelancer now, but SE in general are just huge pains to work with. They nixed any FF7 spirits in the base game and only allowed DQ Spirits because they get a % of all DLC sales for Hero.

Now, imagine licensing out Spirits from SE and paying the full price for their stuff... But it's not even a SE IP being added. Imagine paying the Pokemon company for Spirits for a Mario newcomer. You'd be paying through the nose for something that's not even going to be a Mii Costume, AND dividing up the Kosmos Fighter Pack between a third company instead of just Bamco and Nintendo (Monolith Soft have no claim over any of the work they did for Namco; Kosmos is NOT their character despite creating her in-house).

Maybe it is like Terry presentation and he wants to acknowledge the legacy?

 

[Banado_Boy]

I want to clarify something about this. If KOS-MOS is using her blade appearance from XB2 then her final smash will probably be rex using her to use x buster.

Can't see it being real, just because of the mention of Xenogears spirits. Also, it would feel weird if KOS-MOS was to "represent" Xenoblade instead of her debut series Xenosaga when we have Terry "representing" Fatal Fury over The King of Fighters.

The Final Smash that they mention did give me a cool idea for what I would want to see in her Final Smash though. Have her use X-Buster while chain-attacking with someone, but have it so that it could either be Shion, Fiora, or Rex partnering up with her, depending on what alternate costume she's wearing (ver. 1 for Shion, ver. 4 for Fiora, Xenoblade 2 outfit for Rex).

 

[Kokiden]

Its kinda silly when a lot of people argue about wanting variety and then just list characters that are extremely similar designwise. Moveset-wise the sky is the limit as pretty much you can always have interesting mechanics with each newcomer.

Exactly this.

The smash devs can take any character that has zero history of fighting, and give them moves. Look at Peach and Rosalina.

I'm open to any newcomers. The more the better. Just wish others thought that way too instead of getting mad that another character got in over their favourite... I got introduced to so many new franchises because of Smash. I'm grateful for the variety.

 

[PSIGuy]

Maybe it is like Terry presentation and he wants to acknowledge the legacy?

The leaker also says Kosmos is based more on XB2 than anything, right down to Rex and Pyra in her Final Smash.

its just that her entire moveset and appearance is derived from Xenoblade because that's where she is most known for. I believe she mainly fights with her big cannons.
Rex and Pyra will cameo in her final smash.

I'm sorry but that's a ****ty ****ing way to acknowledge any legacy. He didn't claim Joker was a Shin Megami Tensei rep and then showcase Persona content for 20 minutes, but we're meant to believe Kosmos from Xenosaga is just his way of getting Rex & Pyra in, while not acknowledging the actual -relevant- legacy of the character?

It's just... it paints a picture of Sakurai as being so XB2 obsessed he can't function. It's insane. If it's real I've lost all respect for the man.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It's just... it paints a picture of Sakurai as being so XB2 obsessed he can't function. It's insane. If it's real I've lost all respect for the man.

Tbf most XB2 stans I've seen act like this

 

[PSIGuy]

Something worth noting; the poster didn't have a tripcode in their OP so the person posting with it later may be ****poster tagging on for laughs. So with that train of logic, the only thing rumored is Kosmos at TGA, Rex+Pyra in their Final Smash and another reveal.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Knowing Sakurai, KOS-MOS would either use her more retro design (like Simon), or some conglomerate (like Roy). There's no way she'd be pure Xenoblade Chronicles 2 in design.

 

[Hinata]

The leaker also says Kosmos is based more on XB2 than anything, right down to Rex and Pyra in her Final Smash.

I'm sorry but that's a ****ty ****ing way to acknowledge any legacy. He didn't claim Joker was a Shin Megami Tensei rep and then showcase Persona content for 20 minutes, but we're meant to believe Kosmos from Xenosaga is just his way of getting Rex & Pyra in, while not acknowledging the actual -relevant- legacy of the character?

It's just... it paints a picture of Sakurai as being so XB2 obsessed he can't function. It's insane. If it's real I've lost all respect for the man.

The idea that Sakurai would do any character such a disservice as to base them on a game they merely had a very easy-to-miss cameo in is laughable. That's not Sakurai's MO. Not even a little bit. It'd be like Dante getting in, but he's only based on his cameo in Shin Megami Tensei.

If KOS-MOS ever got in, she would be based on Xenosaga, plain and simple. Maybe a few nods to her XBC2 appearance, but to suggest that her entire moveset would revolve around her appearance in that game is ridiculous.

 

[Deleted member]

Hey uh...just got back after a walk and...

I'm having trouble processing what has transpired here. Did I hear KOS-MOS rumors or somethin'? I dunno, must be hallucinating.

 

[ES. Dinah]

The leaker also says Kosmos is based more on XB2 than anything, right down to Rex and Pyra in her Final Smash.

I'm sorry but that's a ****ty ****ing way to acknowledge any legacy. He didn't claim Joker was a Shin Megami Tensei rep and then showcase Persona content for 20 minutes, but we're meant to believe Kosmos from Xenosaga is just his way of getting Rex & Pyra in, while not acknowledging the actual -relevant- legacy of the character?

It's just... it paints a picture of Sakurai as being so XB2 obsessed he can't function. It's insane. If it's real I've lost all respect for the man.

Yeah I have to agree

 

[TheTuninator]

Hey uh...just got back after a walk and...

I'm having trouble processing what has transpired here. Did I hear KOS-MOS rumors or somethin'? I dunno, must be hallucinating.

It's literally just somebody posting on 4chan. This kind of stuff isn't really even worth discussing, honestly.

 

[ES. Dinah]

Knowing Sakurai, KOS-MOS would either use her more retro design (like Simon), or some conglomerate (like Roy). There's no way she'd be pure Xenoblade Chronicles 2 in design.

XB2 passes Cero though while other designs wouldn't. Even V1 has upskirt problems and leg

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

XB2 passes Cero though while other designs wouldn't. Even V1 has upskirt problems and leg

Conglomerate it is then.

EDIT: Or perhaps just her old design, but with pants or something.

 

[perfectchaos83]

The idea that Sakurai would do any character such a disservice as to base them on a game they merely had a very easy-to-miss cameo in is laughable. That's not Sakurai's MO. Not even a little bit. It'd be like Dante getting in, but he's only based on his cameo in Shin Megami Tensei.

If KOS-MOS ever got in, she would be based on Xenosaga, plain and simple. Maybe a few nods to her XBC2 appearance, but to suggest that her entire moveset would revolve around her appearance in that game is ridiculous.

Technically, You can argue Wario.

 

[Deleted member]

It's literally just somebody posting on 4chan. This kind of stuff isn't really even worth discussing, honestly.

Random text leaks aren't exactly true unless the uploader gives it some credibility. Then aside, that's all I have to offer.

 

[TheTuninator]

Technically, You can argue Wario.

Lots of older characters don't have the same lavish rendition that inclusions from SSB4 onward do, but the standard does feel different these days, especially with Ultimate.

 

[Hinata]

Technically, You can argue Wario.

Perhaps. But the game he's based on still focuses on him. Whether it's Wario Land or WarioWare, Wario is still the main focus.

KOS-MOS being based on XBC2 would make no sense, considering she's probably the furthest thing from a main character you could possibly get in that game.

 

[Seanapotamus]

There's no reason to believe any random 4chan text leak anyways, unfortunately. Anyone can throw on a tripcode, & the fact that the OP didn't use one suggests that they're two different people, which is already extremely suspicious in and of itself.

This. I took a good look at that 4chan thread, scrolled down, saw a tripcode, looked at the original post, and yeah it's suspicious. The mention of Xenogears spirits is a red flag IMO, due to royalties having to be paid for the artwork.

Her original appearance is still Xenosaga, its just that her entire moveset and appearance is derived from Xenoblade because that's where she is most known for. I believe she mainly fights with her big cannons.

It's hard to believe but Sakurai wanted to celebrate the entire Xeno franchise
Spirits include Shion and TELOS from Xenosaga side.

Yeah, I'm not buying into this. If KOS-MOS does get in, then her moveset AND design would be from Xenosaga, not Xenoblade. There is more to KOS-MOS herself than her XB2 cameo, which by the way is a rare Blade iirc.

Also a reminder that anyone can post anything on 4chan, whether a leak is fake or not. Very rarely things on there come out to be true, but most of the things on there are ****posting that overall isn't really worth talking about.

 

[ES. Dinah]

Random text leaks aren't exactly true unless the uploader gives it some credibility. Then aside, that's all I have to offer.

well the guy in the replies has a tripcode which means he can be identified again if he posts. that's the only reason I brought it up. So say KOS-MOS is in and he comes back on 4chan etc.

But for now please dont put faith in it. It says she will come with Xenogears spirits and you know how ****ing stingy Square is. I dont believe it one bit

 

[Deleted member]

well the guy in the replies has a tripcode which means he can be identified again if he posts. that's the only reason I brought it up. So say KOS-MOS is in and he comes back on 4chan etc.

But for now please dont put faith in it. It says she will come with Xenogears spirits and you know how ****ing stingy Square is. I dont believe it one bit

Like I would put some faith on some random words. Definitely not buying this one. And still, anyone is fair game as much as it sounds.

 

[PK-remling Fire]

Are we really at the point where we're going over baseless 4chan text leaks? The Game Awards can't come quick enough

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Technically, You can argue Wario.

But at least his moveset idea pulls from games he stars in, and has his original outfit available as well.

Yeah, I'm not buying into this. If KOS-MOS does get in, then her moveset AND design would be from Xenosaga, not Xenoblade. There is more to KOS-MOS herself than her XB2 cameo, which by the way is a rare Blade iirc.

Isn't she also DLC only like Shulk, Fiora, and Elma?

 

[Hinata]

Are we really at the point where we're going over baseless 4chan text leaks?

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[perfectchaos83]

well the guy in the replies has a tripcode which means he can be identified again if he posts. that's the only reason I brought it up. So say KOS-MOS is in and he comes back on 4chan etc.

But for now please dont put faith in it. It says she will come with Xenogears spirits and you know how ****ing stingy Square is. I dont believe it one bit

Square's not Stingy. The rights to literally everything Final Fantasy are just ****ed up beyond all logical reason.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Are we really at the point where we're going over baseless 4chan text leaks? The Game Awards can't come quick enough

It's 'cuz Nintendo goes "Hey, there's going to be some new characters!" and then doesn't elaborate for months.