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Bad nairs? come to mind, but there really aren't that many, huh?...Weird question.
I don't think this is something very relevant to ask.
I can think of a ton of good Nairs, actually. I can't even think of a bad one off the top of my head. Marth, Lucina and Roy's Nair is really strong, really fast, covers options at ledge, can stuff out aerial approaches really well and the first hit (In Lucina and Roy's case) can lead into many combos, including kill combos. Mewtwo's Nair is fast, disjointed and lasts forever. Mario and Luigi's Nair is strong and is one of the best combo breakers in the came. Zelda's Nair can be used out of her throws, deals very high damage and KOs early. Sheik's Nair is just amazing for so much stuff...
It's hard to pinpoint.
In a battle what is the avaerge number of times u nair.
Anyways...best are likely:...Weird question.
Ok.With that said, name a neutral aerial that's worse than 's...
Ganondorf's neutral air is more useful than Kirby's by a long shot. It can combo somewhat consistently and the second hit kills, which is already more than can be said for Kirby.
That's quite the stretch.by a long shot.
The second hit rarely ever connects after getting the first hit, unless you're at a sweet spot percentage and the character's gravity is right.It can combo somewhat consistently
I don't think so. It doesn't take much to outclass Kirby's neutral air.That's quite the stretch.
I've never had or seen it whiff that often. It usually works just like Falcon's N-Air does.The second hit rarely ever connects after getting the first hit, unless you're at a sweet spot percentage and the character's gravity is right.
That's the thing though is that it doesn't. It may be supposed to, but it doesn't. Ganon's first hit sends opponents much further than falcon's. I suppose depending on your definition of consistent, we can agree to disagree though.It usually works just like Falcon's N-Air does.
I have no idea why you think ganon's nair is worse than kirby's, I duo main ganon and g&w, and I always had it connect both hits even in the 90s and 100s, Ganon's nair can:That's the thing though is that it doesn't. It may be supposed to, but it doesn't. Ganon's first hit sends opponents much further than falcon's. I suppose depending on your definition of consistent, we can agree to disagree though.
True I love Ganon's Nair especially for combing out of down throw at low percentsI have no idea why you think ganon's nair is worse than kirby's, I duo main ganon and g&w, and I always had it connect both hits even in the 90s and 100s, Ganon's nair can:
1: Jablock at low percents
2: Kill and rack up tons of damage off of down throw
3: amazing edgeguarding tool
Kirby's is garbage.
Because opinions exist. I could make up a similar anecdotal story about how kirby's nair works for me all the time too.I have no idea why you think ganon's nair is worse than kirby's
Its not an opinion it's a fact.Because opinions exist. I could make up a similar anecdotal story about how kirby's nair works for me all the time too.
Cool! Link your research paper here with empirical proof that Kirby's nair is worse and you'll get a cookie! Otherwise, let me help direct you here to the definition of fact, it seems like you've forgotten what it means.Its not an opinion it's a fact.
*Sigh* this is why players will never get better. I'm done trying to educate you on moves you should understand that works better than others.Cool! Link your research paper here with empirical proof that Kirby's nair is worse and you'll get a cookie! Otherwise, let me help direct you here to the definition of fact, it seems like you've forgotten what it means.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fact
I understand how the moves work. I play the game. You're the one that decided to reply to me clearly stating it was an opinion with "It's a fact". Really dude?*Sigh* this is why players will never get better. I'm done trying to educate you on moves you should understand that works better than others.
Here's your facts!Cool! Link your research paper here with empirical proof that Kirby's nair is worse and you'll get a cookie! Otherwise, let me help direct you here to the definition of fact, it seems like you've forgotten what it means.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fact
We should be able to have our opinions about it too then.Wow. Yeah I obviously said Ganon's nair never ever kills and has no application at all. *Sarcasm*.
Holy hell.
You don't need to crusade your opinion to end of eternity to come out the victor. I stated from the beginning that it was my OPINION.
Jesus H Christ.
Where did I ever say that you didn't have the right to? I realize building arguments made out of straw men is fun and all, but It's not something that should be relied upon.We should be able to have our opinions about it too then.
Of course not, they are statistics lmao. If you're trying to say that the statistics back his nair being better, you still have to take into account the application of the move in the context of the battle.Also, kill power and frame data are not opinions.
Yeah... You ****ed up when you said statistics dont back up what we're saying.Where did I ever say that you didn't have the right to? I realize building arguments made out of straw men is fun and all, but It's not something that should be relied upon.
Of course not, they are statistics lmao. If you're trying to say that the statistics back his nair being better, you still have to take into account the application of the move in the context of the battle.
I have. And it has better application. Combo breaker, percent builder, edgeguarding tool, kill move. There are your applications.Of course not, they are statistics lmao. If you're trying to say that the statistics back his nair being better, you still have to take into account the application of the move in the context of the battle.
No, I really didn't. The frame date stats alone don't make it a better move. There are literally dozens of factors that go into a move being "better" than another.Yeah... You ****ed up when you said statistics dont back up what we're saying.
If you didn't care you wouldn't of even replied to Aph when he disagreed with you and said Kirby's Nair was garbage.No, I really didn't. The frame date stats alone don't make it a better move. There are literally dozens of factors that go into a move being "better" than another.
The only reason I'm even replying at this point is to help break down this concept. But if it's your sole mission to prove me 'wrong', go ahead. I really don't care that much about a video game to disprove other people's opinions.
I completely agree.Kirby's Nair is worse. It doesn't matter whether it's your opinion or not, it can be seen quite easily. Let's break down some more applications of why Ganon's Nair is indeed better since this concept seems to be very difficult to comprehend. Ganon's Nair is a great tool. It's quite fast, does a good amount of damage, is much safer on shield than Kirby's when spaced well, and can be used to edgeguard unlike Kirby's (since the endlag on Kirby's Nair makes it a very high risk low reward move offstage, similar to Shulk's Nair). Kirby's Nair can....lead to a grab at early percents I guess? However, Kirby can't just throw out this move in neutral. It has a terrible autocancel window along with the fact that it has barely any range and is easily punishable on shield, the amount of lag it has for how slow and weak it is is actually quite sad. Ganon's, however, like I said before, is much safer on shield when spaced properly and does a good amount of shield damage as well, making it much more viable in neutral, although of course it still isn't exactly the safest thing in the world. So let's see. Ganon's Nair has better frame data, a better damage output, offstage presence, kill power, range, among other things. Kinda sad I had to write about this but it seems it was needed.
Did you even read what I wrote? I said I don't care enough to disprove opinions. I replied to him because he asked why I thought it was worse. I simply said, because it's my opinion. Did I try to combat him? No, I didn't. Stop trying to be the biggest kid on the playground.If you didn't care you wouldn't of even replied to Aph when he disagreed with you
Preach.Kirby's Nair is worse. It doesn't matter whether it's your opinion or not, it can be seen quite easily. Let's break down some more applications of why Ganon's Nair is indeed better since this concept seems to be very difficult to comprehend. Ganon's Nair is a great tool. It's quite fast, does a good amount of damage, is much safer on shield than Kirby's when spaced well, and can be used to edgeguard unlike Kirby's (since the endlag on Kirby's Nair makes it a very high risk low reward move offstage, similar to Shulk's Nair). Kirby's Nair can....lead to a grab at early percents I guess? However, Kirby can't just throw out this move in neutral. It has a terrible autocancel window along with the fact that it has barely any range and is easily punishable on shield, the amount of lag it has for how slow and weak it is is actually quite sad. Ganon's, however, like I said before, is much safer on shield when spaced properly and does a good amount of shield damage as well, making it much more viable in neutral, although of course it still isn't exactly the safest thing in the world. So let's see. Ganon's Nair has better frame data, a better damage output, offstage presence, kill power, range, among other things. Kinda sad I had to write about this but it seems it was needed.
There's a fine line between having the unpopular opinion and having the wrong idea. You, my friend, have the wrong idea.It's a sad state to see so many unnecessary attacks that stemmed from me stating an F**king opinion that was seemingly unpopular. People wonder why the smash community is called "toxic".
You can have your "opinion" and I'll have mine.Did you even read what I wrote? I said I don't care enough to disprove opinions. I replied to him because he asked why I thought it was worse. I simply said, because it's my opinion. Did I try to combat him? No, I didn't. Stop trying to be the biggest kid on the playground.
Regardless of the fact that it's impossible to say my idea is 'wrong', would it even be worth attacking someone for? You're missing the point completely.There's a fine line between having the unpopular opinion and having the wrong idea. You, my friend, have the wrong idea.
Well I'm not a kid, so I don't visit playgrounds. Lol.You can have your opinion and I'll have mine.
I'm going to sleep because this argument is a waste of time, I might steal your lunch money when I wake up. I love being the biggest kid on the playground.