BonaparteZ
Smash Rookie
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- Jan 24, 2014
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Hi guys,
I'm a European smasher, but due to lack of a bigger community in my area, much to my regret, I have never managed to develop great skill.
However, I've spent a good amount of time in training mode by myself, experimenting and practicing, and through that I've discovered a minor technique that I don't think I have ever seen mentioned over the years. Some players might already be using it, and this might be extremely old news or considered trivial, but in case it isn't, I've felt compelled to make this thread now that the meta-game has advanced to a state where even such a little thing could make a difference. It's not even exclusive to Fox only. Quite possibly, it could be used for other characters as well.
What it does is that it let's you jump out of a dash, with virtually full speed and no slow down, still facing into the same direction, but your neutral B will go into the opposite direction. It kind of buffers the turn-around of the neutral B to happen already before you leave the ground, so you don't have to influence your trajectory to reverse your neutral B. I'd probably call it a reverse short hop (RSH if you will). But don't get too excited, it's really nothing huge. I fear it's been known and used for a long time already, just rarely talked about, since it barely does anything.
The way it's done is by smashing the control stick to the right (90°) to start running, then flicking it into the upper left corner (about 300°, it's hard to tell how many degrees exactly), then reassume the neutral position before you leave the ground. Now as soon as you leave the ground with this short hop, press B twice as soon as you can, and Fox will do an instant turn around short hopped double blaster. Very stylish, barely useful. (You'd rather do a short hop fast fall single blaster MOST of the time, but of course that can be achieved with this jumping technique as well)
Edit: Of course it works the other way around too, running left first, then flick to upper right
The alternate way of doing this (press X to short hop, flick into opposite direction back to neutral, press B twice) would in my opinion be overall slower and make you jump less far. Also, it'd be way more difficult to input, and thus more prone to error. You might accidentally end up with maybe only one laser for being too slow, accidental Fox illusions, having to use two fingers for X and B or whatnot. So I think my described input method is superior, and very possibly gives you a frame advantage being able to execute a reverse neutral B a bit earlier in your jump. I used this technique even though I'd normally jump with X because of that.
Surely, this could be used with any character that has a useful neutral B move. I am posting this in this section as I fear it wouldn't be read at all if I posted it in the general board (seems mostly social), and Fox mains are usually fairly technical.
Now, the other thing I've noticed is that if you follow up with pressing A instead of B, you do a sort of "perfect" short hopped ANA with full running speed. Just to be clear about it, you will NOT turn around in mid air doing this. Not sure if just flicking the control stick upwards or sliding from X to A can get the same result or not, but I've always felt you got some sort of extra boost doing it this way, as if your speed somehow got locked in a weird way. Though that might have been an entirely subjective impression that I got due to my relatively low tech skill otherwise. I used to use both this way of executing ANA and the regular one. Maybe you could try it as well and see if it does anything for you.
Could some advanced player please confirm whether any/all of this is completely useless or already known? Is it already considered bread and butter to advanced Falco players maybe?
I am indeed sorry if this is old news. I just want to get this info out, in case I'm somehow the only one who has ever discovered any of this. Once again, my guess it's probably already known and considered trivial. Oh well. Even if it's trivial, there might be some people who have never thought of short hopping in this peculiar way, so this thread shouldn't be completely useless either way.
I'm a European smasher, but due to lack of a bigger community in my area, much to my regret, I have never managed to develop great skill.
However, I've spent a good amount of time in training mode by myself, experimenting and practicing, and through that I've discovered a minor technique that I don't think I have ever seen mentioned over the years. Some players might already be using it, and this might be extremely old news or considered trivial, but in case it isn't, I've felt compelled to make this thread now that the meta-game has advanced to a state where even such a little thing could make a difference. It's not even exclusive to Fox only. Quite possibly, it could be used for other characters as well.
What it does is that it let's you jump out of a dash, with virtually full speed and no slow down, still facing into the same direction, but your neutral B will go into the opposite direction. It kind of buffers the turn-around of the neutral B to happen already before you leave the ground, so you don't have to influence your trajectory to reverse your neutral B. I'd probably call it a reverse short hop (RSH if you will). But don't get too excited, it's really nothing huge. I fear it's been known and used for a long time already, just rarely talked about, since it barely does anything.
The way it's done is by smashing the control stick to the right (90°) to start running, then flicking it into the upper left corner (about 300°, it's hard to tell how many degrees exactly), then reassume the neutral position before you leave the ground. Now as soon as you leave the ground with this short hop, press B twice as soon as you can, and Fox will do an instant turn around short hopped double blaster. Very stylish, barely useful. (You'd rather do a short hop fast fall single blaster MOST of the time, but of course that can be achieved with this jumping technique as well)
Edit: Of course it works the other way around too, running left first, then flick to upper right
The alternate way of doing this (press X to short hop, flick into opposite direction back to neutral, press B twice) would in my opinion be overall slower and make you jump less far. Also, it'd be way more difficult to input, and thus more prone to error. You might accidentally end up with maybe only one laser for being too slow, accidental Fox illusions, having to use two fingers for X and B or whatnot. So I think my described input method is superior, and very possibly gives you a frame advantage being able to execute a reverse neutral B a bit earlier in your jump. I used this technique even though I'd normally jump with X because of that.
Surely, this could be used with any character that has a useful neutral B move. I am posting this in this section as I fear it wouldn't be read at all if I posted it in the general board (seems mostly social), and Fox mains are usually fairly technical.
Now, the other thing I've noticed is that if you follow up with pressing A instead of B, you do a sort of "perfect" short hopped ANA with full running speed. Just to be clear about it, you will NOT turn around in mid air doing this. Not sure if just flicking the control stick upwards or sliding from X to A can get the same result or not, but I've always felt you got some sort of extra boost doing it this way, as if your speed somehow got locked in a weird way. Though that might have been an entirely subjective impression that I got due to my relatively low tech skill otherwise. I used to use both this way of executing ANA and the regular one. Maybe you could try it as well and see if it does anything for you.
Could some advanced player please confirm whether any/all of this is completely useless or already known? Is it already considered bread and butter to advanced Falco players maybe?
I am indeed sorry if this is old news. I just want to get this info out, in case I'm somehow the only one who has ever discovered any of this. Once again, my guess it's probably already known and considered trivial. Oh well. Even if it's trivial, there might be some people who have never thought of short hopping in this peculiar way, so this thread shouldn't be completely useless either way.
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