Mewtwo Patch "Dump"

[Nexelon]

It looks like Ganondorf has gotten a little better with less lag on his forward attack and Kirby's Side B feels just like his Brawl version but as usual chargeable. Ha ha, I like what they did.... except for the Mewtwo delay.

 

[LawofDeath]

My friend claims most of Mario's knockback has been nerfed. You guys have Mario listed as "seemingly" unchanged. Can someone look into this? He's been a Mario main since Smash 64 and literally uses no one else but Mario. He's really good with Mario I might add.

 

[DaRkJaWs]

It looks like Ganondorf has gotten a little better with less lag on his forward attack and Kirby's Side B feels just like his Brawl version but as usual chargeable. Ha ha, I like what they did.... except for the Mewtwo delay.

Nope nope nope. As I stated above, they DO nOT change frame data when it comes to basic movesets on ground or in the air. So stop with this crap.

 

[Nexelon]

Nope nope nope. As I stated above, they DO nOT change frame data when it comes to basic movesets on ground or in the air. So stop with this crap.

How is it crap? I was only checking the characters and see what they changed, Kirby's side B is noticeably changed because it seems that he swings his hammer quicker like in Brawl.

EDIT: I checked twice and it seems that they did change the frame data of Kirby's side B to make him swing it quicker.

 

[David Viran]

Nope nope nope. As I stated above, they DO nOT change frame data when it comes to basic movesets on ground or in the air. So stop with this crap.

Wait last patch i'm pretty sure zss's usmash was nerfed from 9 frame start up to 10 frame start up.

 

[TrashCaster]

I don't know if the change is important enough to warrant a note/bullet point, but Zero Suit has a new visual for Side B. I am unsure of damage changes, but it looks and feels different.

 

[Blue24]

My friend claims most of Mario's knockback has been nerfed. You guys have Mario listed as "seemingly" unchanged. Can someone look into this? He's been a Mario main since Smash 64 and literally uses no one else but Mario. He's really good with Mario I might add.

I believe in this thread unless the post was deleted that there were no changes.

If you want more evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaS8xV1feTU

 

[Piford]

Name me one other than diddys supposed fsmash having more end lag?

In the first patch, all of ganon's aerials had less landing lag. I believe there were other frame data changes like that in the last patch to go along with that.

 

[Game And Guy]

Anything on Game & Watch?

 

[DaRkJaWs]

In the first patch, all of ganon's aerials had less landing lag. I believe there were other frame data changes like that in the last patch to go along with that.

We are talking about this patch, not the one that came out after they collected data from the first few months of the 3ds.

 

[Piford]

We are talking about this patch, not the one that came out after they collected data from the first few months of the 3ds.

You said they do not, which implies ever. And in this patch we still have Diddy's F-Smash having more lag, which means something could be slightly tweaked and we don't notice it.

 

[Jiom]

We are talking about this patch, not the one that came out after they collected data from the first few months of the 3ds.

There is a side by side comparison of ganon using his f smash and seeming to be 2 frames or so quicker to end.

 

[Kempatsu]

Basic movesets does not mean their specials.

How do you know for certain that basic movesets weren't changed if someone is stating (and is proving) that there's noticeable speed increase? Can you please cite some hard evidence? I'm legit inquiring.

 

[smashbro29]

I think they fixed Mario Circuit's ceiling glitch too.

 

[NateLinhart]

Bowsers up throw seems different? It seems to stall for a brief moment before launching them. Don't think placebo.

 

[Doval]

There is a side by side comparison of ganon using his f smash and seeming to be 2 frames or so quicker to end.

Thinkaman tested that six ways to Sunday, it turned out to be false.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I got one for pikachu

Side special: pikachu takes longer to get up from before (longer lag after volt tackle)

And for pac-man

This icon is different now, its now his right hand giving a thumbs up.

 

[Game And Guy]

So basically this is the "nerf Diddy, make slight adjustments to everyone else" patch.

Kind of sucks for low-tier mains like us Charizards who were hoping for a significant buff, but oh well, I guess you gotta work with what you got. At least I now have an excuse to use that awesome U-throw animation Zard has.

well, there's also the minor addition of mewtwo, but whatever!

 

[ZephyrZ]

well, there's also the minor addition of mewtwo, but whatever!

I was talking about balance, haha.
Seriously though, I've been playing nothing but Mewtwo since I got the codes.

 

[xTheSilverStar]

It Also Seems That AI Marths and Lucinas Are now able to use The Side B variations (i.e. the lower rapid stab versions), Noticed on both 3DS and WiiU at Level 7

 

[Road Death Wheel]

DDD's ftilt has hitboxes on his body, how comes..

i should not have to remind folk that is perfection.

 

[DMWN]

I really need confirmation.

If one charges Ness's PK Flash a bit before it hits the ground and releases it on their opponent, it will do 38% rather than 37%.

 

[Gunla]

I really need confirmation.

If one charges Ness's PK Flash a bit before it hits the ground and releases it on their opponent, it will do 38% rather than 37%.

It's been confirmed by Thinkaman that it does 37%.

It does 37% now. Only test in training mode.

 

[The Puffer]

-Jigglypuff's fair no longers jab reset
-Zelda's f and bair sweetspots hitboxes have been increased.

Can someone confirm??

 

[LunarWingCloud]

I got one for pikachu

Side special: pikachu takes longer to get up from before (longer lag after volt tackle)

Seems the same to me.

 

[minesofmoria]

Pacman's grab is faster

 

[LunarWingCloud]

Pacman's grab is faster

This was debunked earlier.

 

[Comet Knight]

- Bair nerfed
- Fsmash buffed
- Can't Pocket Pac-Man's trampoline anymore (technically a Pac-Man change)
- Up special being slower
- Pretty sure there were claims regarding grab or throws, less lag or something

All untrue except Trampoline.

 

[Lil Puddin]

-Jigglypuff's fair no longers jab reset
-Zelda's f and bair sweetspots hitboxes have been increased.

Can someone confirm??

I can't really tell about Zelda, tbh. I feel like I've been doing much better with her and her L-kicks seem to be trading off more often than they used to. Perhaps the move itself is faster and maybe her sweet spot has been increased. Though it is a very slight change, although, that's all her Fair/Bair really needed to begin with.

Or perhaps I'm just much more accurate/better at reading now. Magically.

 

[lijero13ss]

Luigi:

Aerial Up B does 21% vs 20% pre patch
Full Charge Missile does 22% vs 21% pre patch

Mac:

Up B can go horizontally now vs strictly vertical pre patch.

If someone can confirm/deconfirm these that would be fantastic

 

[Aidalator64]

Can someone check on battlefield's stage proportions, i want to know if anyone else has noticed the differences

 

[pnkgoldcatpeach]

she isn't on the list

but anyways, here is what I noticed with her (not sure if placebo)

-ftilt and utilt start immediately, but still have end lag
-auto reticle bullets travel faster, and there is no end lag on that move (when the last bullet hits, you can do whatever you want to)

again, not sure if placebo, but might as well share

 

[Aidalator64]

Luigi:

Aerial Up B does 21% vs 20% pre patch
Full Charge Missile does 22% vs 21% pre patch

Mac:

Up B can go horizontally now vs strictly vertical pre patch.

If someone can confirm/deconfirm these that would be fantastic

I can confirm little macs Up B can be moved slightly horizontally, I can deconfirm luigi's Full Charge Missile does 22% (Still does 21%, maybe you're talking about his misfire?), and I can deconfirm Sweetspotted Up B does 21% (Still does 20%)

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Luigi:

Aerial Up B does 21% vs 20% pre patch
Full Charge Missile does 22% vs 21% pre patch

Disconfirmed, remember to do damage testing in training. In Smash mode you get the 1.05X freshness bonus, which leads to these inaccurate 1% damage buff reports.

 

[Aidalator64]

Disconfirmed, remember to do damage testing in training. In Smash mode you get the 5% freshness bonus, which leads to these inaccurate 1% damage buff reports.

I tested his findings in training

 

[Aidalator64]

I think I misjudged battlefield, i think its still the same sorry guyz

 

[smashbro29]

Once again, they fixed the ceiling glitch on Mario Circuit.

Please add it to the list, it may even make it legal.

Thank you.

 

[LimitCrown]

I think that the CPUs did this beforehand, if I remember correctly.

 

[xYoh]

LUCARIO ANUBIS MECHANIC IS BACK! Check it out!

 

[pikazz]

Hey @Thinkaman (or any other that has any older version of the Wii U game)

can you check this thing for us Jr fans?

the Landing Dair Miss and Hit has always been since day 1, but the Landing Dair Shield feels much faster than the last patch on the Wii U version.
can someone compare if this is a buff or that it was on the old Wii U patch aswell

We at the Jr section do feel that this is a slightly buff, but we cant test it and want confirmation