Mewtwo Patch "Dump"

[AnchorTea]

Actually it sort of does. If you are told installing this patch will make Doc Slower, people start to believe it, regardless of whether or not it's factual.

Sure maybe, but technically not. The Placebo effect only works on your body.

 

[Kreuniclus]

Oh yea, i also think Villager's ledge getup attack has more range. Managed to hit opponent behind me while using it, which i don't think happened before.

 

[Player_9]

Can someone confirm if Villager still has the same pocket invincibility frames?

 

[Kreuniclus]

Can someone confirm if Villager still has the same pocket invincibility frames?

I'm on it.

 

[Thinkaman]

Villager's tree now only stays up for 11-12 seconds after growing, down from around 14.

I deconfirmed this.

 

[mario123007]

It does not.

Aw... man... Mario seems to be unchanged...

 

[IvanQuote]

To me it looks like Pac man's grab is much quicker.

 

[Nocally]

To me it looks like Pac man's grab is much quicker.

it is not.

Edited:

 

[sheggy]

I've been noticing the "pacman's grab is faster" question being posted a lot.
For the sake of everyone's sanity(especially @ Thinkaman 's) and for the sake of question not being asked again: Is it possible to get a side by side video of pacmans grab pre and post patch? And might as well test IASA frame while we're at it. Then post the video in the OP so its visible to everyone.?

 

[Thinkaman]

it is,

Oh for heaven's sake not this again.

I've tested it FOUR SETS OF TIMES because it keeps coming up, like some reddit-fueled zombie. If someone else wants to take video, be my guest.

 

[felix45]

Can anyone test rosalina and luma fair? I think it has been fixed in that before if you did it near the ground it would only hit with a couple hits and they would pop out and go up. Now I have noticed everyone is staying in the fair for the whole animation no matter how I am moving.



Oh and I tested dk charge punch, it is the exact same as before imo

 

[Tinkerer]

I deconfirmed this.

Thanks, will throw that into the Villager forums too.

 

[InfinityAlex]

This has been mentioned a few times, but still isn't on front page; I can confirm that Pac-Man has less lag on his grab now (I did see a Redditor throw out "twice as fast", but I'd say that needs further analysis).

 

[Suicidal_Donuts]

For Zelda, we almost know for sure that her Uair has less startup frames. I believe you guys have already mentioned that the angle is lower on her Smashes, and enemies won't fall out of them as easily.
Damage output seems to remain unchanged.
I haven't checked every single page of this topic, so sorry if I've said anything that others have already.

 

[Gidy]

Didn't WFT have some fixed Hboxes?

 

[EmblemCrossing]

Peach gained height on custom Side 3, it didn't use to get as much lift off the ground.

Edit: no that's wrong, watched videos of the old one. Could have sworn it didn't..

 

[⑨ball]

Didn't WFT have some fixed Hboxes?

Nope~
More placebo stuff. WFT is unchanged as far as I can see.

 

[Genix]

https://twitter.com/VGBC_GimR/status/588544902264393729

Can someone confirm these changes?

 

[InfinityAlex]

@Shaya Maybe we could put up something like a "Busted Changes" section, and note down the major ones that keep popping up confirmed to be wrong like Pac-Man's grab?

Wait, when was this confirmed busted? I know placebo is plausible, but still...

 

[Nu~]

This has been mentioned a few times, but still isn't on front page; I can confirm that Pac-Man has less lag on his grab now (I did see a Redditor throw out "twice as fast", but I'd say that needs further analysis).

It isn't. Already tested.
Unless you have some proof otherwise

 

[InfinityAlex]

OK, then. Can't argue with that. If I had some capture software it'd be a lot easier to compare, but hey, whaddayagonnado?

 

[Fenrir VII]

cell phone video? anything at all?

 

[Thinkaman]

For Zelda, we almost know for sure that her Uair has less startup frames. I believe you guys have already mentioned that the angle is lower on her Smashes, and enemies won't fall out of them as easily.
Damage output seems to remain unchanged.
I haven't checked every single page of this topic, so sorry if I've said anything that others have already.

I'm pretty sure there is no change; I only tested it a couple of times, but it seemed identical.

https://twitter.com/VGBC_GimR/status/588544902264393729

Can someone confirm these changes?

I deconfirmed this. We would have noticed ages ago, if something would have affected every single on-hit test.

I also re-tested Bowser Jr. f-smash side-by-side to be safe. Completely identical from 1.0.5 to 1.0.6.

 

[Doval]

cell phone video? anything at all?

Most cameras record at 30FPS by default and miss half the frames. For full accuracy you'd need a camera that'll let you record in slow motion, which at x2 slowness would capture at 60FPS. That or record multiple times and hope that all the footage combined covers all the frames. But it's still a ***** to hold the camera steady and input commands at the same time unless you have a tripod. I can tell you this from experience.

 

[Thinkaman]

lol the cycle continues.

@ Thinkaman , I didn't see a response on this... are you seeing any differences in the final knockback of Mega Man's uair? it's a weird move to test.

I am pretty sure there is no change. Note that this is a very inconsistent hitting move.

 

[R-E-D]

This scares me because if they do to Lucas what the did to mewtwo then I'll be pissed. Like they just moved over the moveset while not fully understanding what we liked about mewtwo. (But he's still super fun to play as. Ness can only move up the tier list from here.

 

[jespoke]

Since people keep bringing up Pac-man's grab, I recounted the frames on them.

In 1.02, regular grab and dash grab are 12 frame start-up, 75 frames total. Graphic appears on frame 11.

In 1.06, regular grab and dash grab are 12 frame start-up, 75 frames total. Graphic appears on frame 11.

Pac-man's grabs are unchanged.

I can post a gif if needed.

A gif, with both the hit and whiff seems necessary at this point with how many people think this is changed.

 

[pikazz]

a buff I have found on Jr and I want someone to confirm this:

Landing Dair Hitbox has the same end lag if you hit someone on shield as you hit someone without shield!

as I recall, Landing Dair Hitbox in older version was only faster if you hit someone without shield. if you someone on shield it would be as slow as a miss!

 

[TheReflexWonder]

a buff I have found on Jr and I want someone to confirm this:

Landing Dair Hitbox has the same end lag if you hit someone on shield as you hit someone without shield!

as I recall, Landing Dair Hitbox in older version was only faster if you hit someone without shield. if you someone on shield it would be as slow as a miss!

So it's faster when you hit a shield or slower if you don't now? You're not entirely clear.

 

[HeavenStar]

For those of you who haven't seen it, there's a lot of reported changes on Reddit.
http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/c...v106_patch_notes_compilation/?hc_location=ufi

For example, Donkey Kong

• Neutral-A is faster
• Dair is faster
• Fsmash improved hitbox
• Side-B breaks fully charged shields

Could someone please test these changes?

 

[FallofBrawl]

also, forgot to add to Jr: His Side Smash Hitboxes are now corrected and bigger, it doesnt have a "deadzone" between the drills and Jr. I have tested this and I confirm this


in 1.0.6: you are faster if you hit someone and hit shield. you are slow if you miss

in older version: you are faster if you hit someone. but you are slow if you hit a shield or if you miss

want a confirmation that it is this way or that I missed that the shield-fast thing is the same in previous too

Wait a moment, is this an exclusive buff to bowser jr? If not then it might be a buff to a lot of frame cancel-able moves like Ganondorfs dair and falcons knee who previously worked like bowser jrs dair in the previous patch

 

[Conda]

Are the Bowser changes real? I've heard a few places referring to his Knockback buffs on pretty much everything, asking for confirmation.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

i can't say i don't think up smash links a bit better but it still fall out enough for it to just be my imagination.
@ Conda its been deconfimed.

 

[stancosmos]

Can definitely confirm knockback reduction on sheik's Bair. The move is darn close to useless now. It used to be my main tool for stage spiking, now it just short of knicks the other character, barely moving him at all. If anything my stage spike attempts are helping the other character recover now... ah well, back to Nair i guess.

 

[haxfactory]

And if Thinkaman told you the earth was a square? He's a human being and he can be wrong on things. Why don't you test it for yourself and see if you can spot a difference? I couldn't - the knockback of Peach's dthrow still looks the same to me and I'd like to have somebody double-check it to be sure.

I don't have 2 consoles, he does.

 

[LunarWingCloud]

Pikachu's Dthrow trajectory has been changed.

No it hasn't.

 

[pikazz]

the Landing Dair: Shield feels buffed, it shouldnt get be able to shield that early on older versions

Wait a moment, is this an exclusive buff to bowser jr? If not then it might be a buff to a lot of frame cancel-able moves like Ganondorfs dair and falcons knee who previously worked like bowser jrs dair in the previous patch

Jr always had that Landing Dair end lag since day one

 

[Javier Pwns]

You don't have to enter your tag every time you play now, just once per start it and it'll stay

 

[FallofBrawl]

the Landing Dair: Shield feels buffed, it shouldnt get be able to shield that early on older versions

Jr always had that Landing Dair end lag since day one

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say , but remember this video?

I'm wondering if it was patched for other moves that have the same effects as BJ's dair to work on shield as well. Like Falcos dair, Ganon dair, and so on. There could be some crazy shield pressure if true

 

[Gotmilk0112]

I can confirm ROB's up-throw has had a knockback reduce. Used to kill around 120-130% on Ganondorf, now doesn't kill until 145% or so.