Meteor Cancelling

[standardtoaster]

Most people probably think or have been told that the meteor cancel timing in brawl is 25 frames. However, it turns out that this is not entirely true for all characters.

After X amount of frames of hitstun from being sent downward, you can meteor cancel.



Longer than usual window: Charizard (30), Meta Knight (32), Pit (32), Wolf (60)
Shorter than usual window: Ivysaur (15), Olimar (15), Yoshi (20), ZSS (15)
Everyone else: 25



For PSA users, attribute 0x05C is the meteor cancel frame.

 

[Flutter NiTE]

So tether-recovery characters have a shorter frame limit... hmm...

 

[Pikabunz]

Wow, poor Wolf.

 

[MonkUnit]

Wooowwww wolf. I can't believe that Sakurai and co would do that. LOL

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Poor Wolf.

Good **** to MK for having a longer time though!

 

[Flutter NiTE]

Aaaand.... Wolf drops back down.

 

[Life]

Note to self--spike Wolf whenever possible.

 

[Indigo Jeans]

Woooow. Note only did they give Wolf some of THE stiffest recovery options in the game, but they give him the longest wait for meteor canceling.

But at least they slapped an extra 7 frames on MK, that sort of makes up for it.

 

[Spelt]

wolf vs falco matchup is now -4

 

[tekkie]

Wow, poor Wolf.

i've been saying this ever since i started playing wolf lol

 

[Crizthakidd]

Thats why I couldn't do It as mk ooo

 

[NickRiddle]

Is this tested with a double-jump, or using up-b asap?
Those timings seem to be different.

 

[Chuee]

Sakurai confirmed for troll.

 

[standardtoaster]

Is this tested with a double-jump, or using up-b asap?
Those timings seem to be different.

The timings are exactly the same. Spamming X/Y/up on toggle stick to jump is put into the 40 frame fail window of meteor cancelling. However, spamming upB is NOT put into the fail window.

 

[teluoborg]

And what if Wolf fails to meteor cancel ? Does he get 100 frames of lag lol ?

 

[MonkUnit]

I would think so. Poor wolf mains. lol

 

[Exdeath]

And what if Wolf fails to meteor cancel ? Does he get 100 frames of lag lol ?

Can Wolf even recover from 100 frames of falling?

 

[GimR]

my bro plays PT. He's always told me that Ivysaur could jump out faster. He said he could just tell. I didn't believe him, lol

 

[MonkUnit]

Can Wolf even recover from 100 frames of falling?

nope hahhahaha

 

[Toomai]

If Wolf just walks off the edge he'll travel 96.43 units down in 60 frames. That's 83.7% of the distance to death off of Battlefield.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I survived a Snake's fair spike at 90% with Ivysaur once.

It was funny, and I guess this explains why.

 

[Vinylic.]

Holy **** @Wolf.

 

[righteousrook73]

It makes sense for MK and Pit to have longer hitstun, their getbacks are ridiculous...but why Wolf? lol his isnt that great...nor is Charizard's for that matter...

 

[Steeler]

lmao this provides insight into how 'good' sakurai is at judging certain things. obviously wolf got shafted for no reason (tbh i think it's a mistake) but notice that the other three have something in common...a glide. nvm the fact that zard's glide is awful and that there are many characters who do a much better job of recovering from a spike anyway (ROB, sonic, G&W, DDD, etc...)

@gimr yeh, as a PT player i feel like this only proves what i felt for so long lol

 

[Ishiey]

If Wolf just walks off the edge he'll travel 96.43 units down in 60 frames. That's 83.7% of the distance to death off of Battlefield.

So good lol.

brb finding out how to glide with Wolf

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Does the frame count start from the hitlag or when the knockback starts?

Also, if I start holding Up during the first few frames and press B repeatedly, does the "fail" window prevent the Up-B from working as soon as it would normally be possible? If so, what if I'm holding Up before the Meteor Smash hits me?

Is there a list of moves that count as Meteor Smashes somewhere?

 

[MonkUnit]

Moves that send downwards like Marth's dair, Ganon's dair, etc. Also, IIRC, there are no true spikes in Brawl (moves you can't Meteor Cancel.)

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Is that a universal rule? For example, can you Meteor Cancel Fox's D-Air? What about Ivysaur's N-Air "spike" hitbox?

 

[MonkUnit]

Well, I would assume you can MC any angle that sends down.

 

[NickRiddle]

Is that a universal rule? For example, can you Meteor Cancel Fox's D-Air? What about Ivysaur's N-Air "spike" hitbox?

They aren't strong enough to meteor cancel. Those turn into like... Zelda's sour-spot dair. They don't have the minimal frames of hit-stun to meteor cancel. (15 for ZSS, etc.)

 

[TheReflexWonder]

They aren't strong enough to meteor cancel. Those turn into like... Zelda's sour-spot dair. They don't have the minimal frames of hit-stun to meteor cancel. (15 for ZSS, etc.)

Are you sure? I feel like Ivysaur N-Air might be. Same with Charizard's B-Air "spike" hitbox.

 

[NickRiddle]

Are you sure? I feel like Ivysaur N-Air might be. Same with Charizard's B-Air "spike" hitbox.

As the only person to have died from both of those moves, I do not think so.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Nick is right.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Doesn't the amount of hitstun rise with a higher percentage on most moves, though? I was under the impression that Fox's D-Air was one of them, which is why certain things only combo from it at higher percents.

 

[standardtoaster]

Does the frame count start from the hitlag or when the knockback starts?

Also, if I start holding Up during the first few frames and press B repeatedly, does the "fail" window prevent the Up-B from working as soon as it would normally be possible? If so, what if I'm holding Up before the Meteor Smash hits me?

Is there a list of moves that count as Meteor Smashes somewhere?

It starts the frame you enter action 45 (strong knockback).


Any move that hits between 230° and 310° and also has enough knockback to send you into action 45 (hitstun; when you're spinning) is able to be meteor cancelled.

 

[righteousrook73]

Is there a list of moves that count as Meteor Smashes somewhere?

I haven't found a thread yet listing all meteor smashes, but here's a good site: http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Meteor_Smash

 

[MechaWave]

lolWolf. 83