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MAGE Gaming Biweeklies (Brawl) II

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MAGE Gaming Biweeklies

Game:
Super Smash Brothers Brawl


Date:
August 4, 2012


Location:
MAGE Gaming
114 East 31st St
New York, NY 10016

(East 31st Street and Park Ave)

Entry Fees:
Venue: $5.00 per person
Singles: $10.00 per player
Doubles: $20.00 per team ($10.00 per player)

Please help bring setups!
Venue fee will be waived for the following
  • Those who bring 2-3 new people to a tournament
  • Those who bring a TV to the tournament
  • If you are carpooling with 4-5 people.



Prize Payouts:
1st place: 60%
2nd place: 30%
3rd place: 10%


Rules:
General Rules

3 Stocks
8 Minute Time Limit
Items set to “Off” and “None”
Pause set to “Off”
Meta Knight’s infinite dimensional cape tactic is banned.
All infinites and chain grabs are legal.
There is a 40 Ledge Grab Limit for all characters. If a game goes to time and one player goes over the Ledge Grab Limit for their character, they will automatically lose the game. If both players exceed their Ledge Grab Limit, then this rule is ignored.
The act of stalling is banned: stalling is intentionally making the game unplayable: Such as becoming invisible, continuing infinites, chain grabs, or uninterruptible moves past 300%, and reaching a position that your opponent can never reach you.
Any action that can prevent the game from continuing (i.e., freezing, disappearing characters, game reset, etc.) will result in a forfeit of that match for the player that initiated the action. You are responsible for knowing your own character, and must be wary about accidentally triggering one of these effects.
If the Ledge Grab Limit does not declare one player the winner, the winner will be declared by what the game says in all situations, except for when players are presented with sudden death:
In the event of a match going to time, the winner will be determined by who has less percent (stock difference still takes priority but will be shown in the results screen).
If the match ends with both players dying at the same time (either coincidentally or via suicide move) or if time ran out with both players at equal percent, a one stock three minute rematch will be played on the same stage. For a tie-breaker match, a Ledge Grab Limit of 15 is used for all characters. The only other exception to this is the game ending from a Bowser or Ganon Suicide tactic, where the initiator of the move wins.

Modified Doubles Rules

Team Attack set to “On”
Life stealing is allowed.
In the event of a game reaching the time limit, if a single player on a team exceeds their Ledge Grab Limit, that team loses. If one or more players on both teams exceed their Ledge Grab Limit, then the Ledge Grab Limit rule is ignored.
In the event of a game going to time and the Ledge Grab Limit can no

t determine a winner and both teams have an equal amount of combined stocks, then whichever team has a lower combined percent is declared the winner.

If a player is using the character Pokemon Trainer, Lucario, or Sonic, either team may request that team colors be changed to make it easier to tell the difference between team players.

Set Procedure

Player Priority is determined if it can not be agreed on. (See below for details)
Each Team selects one controller port to use for each Player.
Each Team selects one character for each Player. A double blind pick may be called by any player.
The first game is played on a Stage selected from the Starter Stage List either by mutual consent or through the Stage Striking Method. The order of stage striking will be 2-3-1 (Team 1 strikes two stages, followed by Team 2 striking three stages, with Team 1 then striking one of the two remaining stages).
The first match is played.
The team that lost the previous match may opt to re-pick controller ports (with themselves picking first).
The Team that won the previous match may announce one “Stage Ban” if they have not already done so in this set.
The Team that lost the previous match announces the stage for the next match from either the Starter or the Counterpick Stage List. Any Stage named as a “Stage Ban” by the either Team may not be selected. No Stage may be used by a Team that has already won on that Stage in this set.
The Team that won the previous match chooses one character for each Player.
The Team that lost the previous match chooses one character for each Player.
The next match is played.
Repeat steps 6-11 for all proceeding matches.

Determining Player Priority
If there is a dispute in controller port selection or initiating Stage Strike use the following method:
Teams will use a random method such as Rock-Paper-Scissors, Coin Flip, or Game and Watch Judgment, where the winner selects either first choice in port selection or first choice in stage striking. Whichever team does not receive first choice in port selection will be compensated with first choice in stage striking.
Note: In Doubles, port selection is ordered 1-2-2-1 fashion (with Team-1 having first choice in controller slot select, Team-2 having both second and third choice, and the final slot going to Team-1).

Stage List
Starters
Battlefield
Final Destination
Lylat Cruise
Smashville
Yoshi’s Island (Brawl)

Counterpicks
Battleship Halberd
Pokemon Stadium 1
Castle Siege
Delfino Plaza
Frigate Orpheon
Conduct Rules

In the event pause is left on accidentally and is pressed, immediately call over the TO. Based upon their judgment, the situation will be resolved. If your situation is neutral [players are not in combat], the match will be resumed as if the pause had not occurred. If your situation is advantageous to one individual and the player in the disadvantageous situation paused, the disadvantaged player will be either placed in a grab or onto the ledge of the stage. If a player in a death situation [Chain grabs, Grab releases, Jab-locks to a kill move, etc] paused while in a death situation, the current stock is forfeited immediately. If you unpause before the TO reaches the station, the player that unpaused losses a stock.
Players who use the Wii Remote must take the batteries out of the Wii Remote when not playing. If the Wii Remote is still synced up to a Wii with the batteries in, you could unintentionally disrupt a match. If problems persist, a DQ may happen.
You are responsible for your own controller and name tag. Any malfunctions or errors that occur are your responsibility (including battery issues with a Wii Remote), so bring an extra controller if possible and always check to make sure you’re using the correct settings BEFORE a match is played. Both parties need to agree if a match is to be paused or restarted because of these problems.
The tournament organizer has the right to save/record any tournament match if possible and has the right to upload said match.
Any hacks, including (but not limited to) textures, music, and model changes are not allowed.
 

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i'll be hosting these for the most part but my major goal will be to give others a place to play. Please bring setups and help the community grow. We cannot do this alone. NYC should be a great place.

Thanks to Mike Haze + OTG We will offer the following discounts


Venue fee will be waived for the following

- Those who bring 2-3 new people to a tournament
- Those who bring a TV to the tournament
- If you are carpooling with 4-5 people.


Please support us as we are supporting you!
 

Deven3000

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please make this MK Banned :D

Also, the local New York scene is pretty pro ban so you will probably get more support in doing so
 

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That won't happen only because most major events ( like mine ) are MK legal. Sorry.
 

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For me,

I rather just use the Apex 2012 ruleset. I feel that this local is to help people get better for majors. Those majors, for the most part, have MK legal. To me it would not make much sense.
 

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I don't really think that the "go with the flow" mentality is the best mentality.
I think that it's kinda sad that when there is a vote, MK ban usually wins (my proof being the last 3 Impacts) and TO's don't look in to that more...
Personally I'd like to see you Alex, host an MK banned tourny cause you'd be a powerful force.

I probably won't bring it up again.
Not super sure if I'll attend, I like to attend tournies that have a ruleset I support :\
Although I'd love the this is in Manhattan and the venue is so cheap. (wished you kept dubs at 5 per teammate but eh...)

I hope you understand and good luck with everything!
 

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It is not really a go with a flow but I just do not believe in an MK ban. Not attending cause of a rule set is your choice.
 

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I'm just gonna leave this here, because it's semi-relevant: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14646576&postcount=103

tl;dr I can't support MK Legal, so I'm not coming to this, and you and every other TO ever seriously needs to poll their region on rulesets. Justification is in the post above, and sorry in advance if I sound harsh.

Let the flaming and disowning of me begin >_____>;
 

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its fine...like i said im thinking about apex...and to me...if the biggest event in teh world...supports mk legal...then my locals would to...not to say i wont try it but i rather not waste my time honestly.
 

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I suppose, but that's only based on the fact OOC entrants are coming, right...? Bleh... Just bear in mind, I'm not telling you to ban cold turkey, but just take a poll, even if you don't end up following the results, because I think the number of people you think are pro/anti ban may be a bit off, if only because of how vocal minorities can affect a certain trend's dominance, y'know? My goal is to inform people, so give it a shot, maybe the results will surprise you. Or me... >___>;

Protip: Shifting between MK legal and MK banned can also be an interesting move...
 

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I know the results for the most part.

Again why practice a ruleset not used at majors...especially mine.

I'd write more but really is there a point to debate for me?
 

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Well, I'm not really into debating, I just like to discuss things.

I'm not trying to convince you into doing something, just drop all of the info I've got on you, and if you don't change your stance after that, that's fine, but at least you're doing it in an informed manner, right? Although apparently, you already knew all of the stuff I posted in the linked post, so it was kind of a waste of time on my end >___<

Anyway, if you already agree that there's a majority in pro-ban(if that's what your post is insinuating), and you acknowledge that there is precedent behind the ban's justification, then... I don't really need to convince you of anything further in that regard.

I'm still, however, concerned about the approach you're taking - "major tournaments are MK legal, so I should do the same." A go-with-the-flow attitude, as Devenator put it, is a bit troubling when it comes to things like these, especially when TOs and players alike don't agree that the "flow" that's being followed is the right one. I understand that you want people to be able to prepare for big tournaments, because it seems that most of them are MK Legal, and that is a noble cause, indeed. But... it may just be due to the fact that other TOs are simply not going off the flow because they are afraid of their entrant rate being hit or something, even when it probably won't anyway(Chiiiiiiibooooo). People are trying, though, just look at Impulse for example! There may be hope yet for change, but it will never happen if people are so afraid to try even a change like this, even when there's support and precedent behind it.

What I'm getting at, is... it's very hard to change the status quo of something when everyone else is afraid to do so themselves.

Most of this post isn't really a direct response to you Alex, just my disappointment about how things are run in the Smash community... but you can see why I get worried when every TO I hear hosting MK Legal says something like "I'm hosting MK Legal because all of the other tournaments are doing the same," right?

If you want to host MK Legal, go ahead... but please don't do it for the wrong reasons...
 

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im doing it cause i want to...i dont believe in the ban...and it's pointless to me personally seeing how i run apex and the world wants him legal.

You would think it's "go with the flow" but its not...I wrote it incorrect...its more of I host apex...people go ...mk legal so yea...thats pretty much it.

I do not think its a majority I think its a very vocal minority. I do not go based on polls on smashboards or aib I go more based on attendance and just my personal gut on how a game should be played.

I do not like, or enjoy, debating on threads cause that is just too much work to put in for just saying I want to do this a specific way for a specific reason.

Locals are like training sessions...you want to get better and be the best. Majors are where you put that skill to the test. I think NYC is lacking and I want to help. MK ban , imo , does not help it is a crutch for some or an excuse for others. Does that mean I wont support mk ban? No but for me as a TO of the biggest event in the world for smash...why do it.

You want to talk I am on aim you have my aim so reach me there. I really do not like talking on forums.
 

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Well, we don't have to keep arguing this, I just wanted to show that there was a basis for and a backing behind the ban itself, and if you want to host MK Legal despite that, that's fine, as we all know there can be other external reasons for doing so. If "preparation for Apex so we can take Europe and Japan to town" is your justification, that's fine, in fact, that's a good reason for doing so.

The one reason I won't tolerate is when someone follows the flow of other TOs, and I had mistakenly thought that was your reasoning in the first place, so I must apologize about that, and for shoving information in your face that you were already aware of...

Anyway, as long as we both know what's up, we don't really have to keep talking about it, so that's all I wanted to say.
 

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Yea thats fine I don't mind debating I just hate debating on forums...I hate waiting for a response lol.

I want to take japan to town and win this time.
 

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i am too i should ask though that people bring setups so we can make things go quickly.
 

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So this is from 2:00PM - 10:00PM correct? (that's what it says for the time but I just wanted to verify)
 
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