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Agreed. The top comment on the thread sums it up quite nicely, actually.
While I believe there are a few questionable moves/ abilities in the game, they are almost never as severe as people make them out to be which is why I'm thankful for the longer waiting time for 3.X. Being good as a player is an important distinction from playing an OP character.
Because it's a bad opinion; it implies that a solution to problems other people have exist, while simultaneously absolving the person of the responsibility of proving that they're right.
M2K winning games does not give him free reign to be an asshole.
No, but it doesn't make him wrong. People assuming so can stay free.
People are not in the wrong to ignore someone if they're being an asshole about it.
Nah, but he's still right. Who cares how he acts about it. Dude's better than anybody in this **** thread will be.
M2K winning games does not give him free reign to be an asshole.
Please see my previous post:
Nobody here is complaining about the hundreds of other players, good or bad, who all act like fools. What makes us care any more about how M2K should act than the next guy? If it really rustles people that much, maybe they shouldn't be playing. They're going to run into people who act like idiots whether-or-not those idiots are beginners or skilled players, so why should it matter how one more player acts? Why should it matter to you?
How good a player is at the game does not have any intrinsic bearing upon whether their claims are true or not. That's the stupidest **** I've ever heard.
Because being a notable player puts him in the spotlight, and his behavior reflects (poorly, in this case) upon the rest of the Smash community. Note how there are examples in this very thread of people arguing that being good at a game makes it okay to be unpleasant and juvenile - this shouldn't be the way the Smash community at large carries itself.
So people should stop playing a game they love because they're bothered when a notable player insults them, which is apparently okay because he's good at the game?
Is he wrong that people cry 'nerf, nerf, nerf' far too often only to have cast members go through a drastic change before even letting them develop to the point where people can work around and adapt to their options..? Answer: no.
That shouldn't be the way it is, but it is. Them's the shakes. Why let it bother you so much how some other player carries themselves, no matter what their skill level?
No, but he certainly isn't practicing what he preaches, is he now? Broken this, auto combo this, gimmicky that. Gimme a break.
To be fair, my tether is ass. And to also be fair, a huge number of players complain about some awesome tactic being discovered with a character and want it completely expunged from their repertoire before learning the full extent of the gimmick. Probably the reason why Sonic players have had such a rough go at the game each update.
Who in the cast actually had these drastic nerfs that I keep hearing about?
Because, as we've seen, people will go to pretty big lengths to emulate the good players (likely in hopes that it'll make them better), - which is why we have a lot of people claiming that M2K's arguments are correct without giving any good reasons as to why - and when a good player is known for pretending that being good at Melee gives him the right to be a condescending douche to people, well, it's gonna give other players the same idea.
That Sanic guy I keep hearing about, who has been the least consistent character update-to-update more-or-less because of complaints leveled against his character.
Pretty sure his message is "Get gud, quit crying, **** off about 'nerf-talk', and adapt to the game before crying about how something is 'too good'". Which is a pretty solid message.
But that was only one of the messages. The other one was that PM players only win because their characters are "gimmicky" and overpowered. The problem I'm having is that these two messages seem contradictory. Either PM characters are gimmicky and overpowered, or they aren't and nerfs/buffs should be rare and minor. M2K seems to be arguing both points, at least to me.
That's not wrong, though. I probably place as well as I do at Northwest events on the virtue that Link is really good, not me.
And that's what's wrong with M2K's rant: it's completely hypocritical at its core. Only brain-dead fanboys would ever defend this. Well congrats to the ones that already did so itt. You guys have made an ass out of yourselves just as big as M2000 himself.
I'm sorry to keep posting, I'm not trying to be argumentative, especially considering my own low skill level, but doesn't that conflict with the argument that people should adapt to the game instead of arguing for nerfs/buffs? For example, if you feel you've placed well due to your character more than to your own skill, doesn't that imply that your character is overpowered and needs adjusting?
What does that make the people putting so much time and energy into detracting from his points, then....?
That's fine, they probably are contradictory. I have no idea (I only skimmed through the thing). Your skill level also shouldn't determine whether-or-not you have a say in things, so jump in.
One character being nerfed and then buffed is not exactly what I would call "constant drastic changes to the whole cast".
I'm not sure how you extracted that from several paragraphs of complaints about 'gimmicks'.
No, but you can't deny that it has happened to a huge portion of it.
I can, and I will - I'd say the only characters that have had extremely notable changes since their inception are Sonic and Ike.
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You reeeeally need to stop making these threads as they serve no purpose other than to have people bicker amongst each other.If they look down on it so much then someone needs to remind them that they're free to **** off back to melee; back to their elitist containment. Hard to believe such douchery actually yields any fans. I guess self-respect is just in short supply in the audiences.
Okay.
You're gonna try to turn this into another insipid discussion about opinions, so I'm gonna ignore you here. Sorry.
I can 100% understand that the main consequence of these kind of threads just results in bickering within the community. One minor silver lining that attracted me personally to this thread was to get opinions about balance and PM. While I obviously have nothing but respect and gratitude for the PMBR, when playing with my circle of friends (we are all big fans of the smash community, though our technical skill isn't high yet) I often hear "X is overpowered, etc, etc." For example, I enjoy playing as Mewtwo, but constantly hear about how he is currently overpowered and that the PMBR will certainly nerf him in the next release. As a consequence, I avoid playing as Mewtwo, not because I wouldn't still play him after a nerf, but because I don't want my progress in learning the game to be hampered because I am using an overpowered character as a crutch. But like I said, my friends and I are hardly experts on these matters. So when a top level player makes an announcement discussing character balance, I thought it would be educational and interesting to see if M2K's claims were largely considered accurate and fair.@
PP MD has an opinion about PM? MAKE A THREAD
M2K has an opinion about PM? MAKE A THREAD
Armada has an opinion about PM? MAKE A THREAD
FFS, these people are grown men and can voice their opinions to the PMBR themselves. They are not hard people to find. Enough of this bull****.
