Bamesy
Smash Ace
Yeah not much 'discussing' about match ups really.Does anyone want to actually argue some matchups? Some reason there's a bunch of posts here but it's mostly about unimportant stuff ~_~
Let's start on Falco because apparently Falco is so easy right
So, what are Luigi's answers / responses to ...
A. Spaced lasers
B. Dair in place in reaction to wavedashes forward
C. Low Dair on shield -> shine -> fading Nair
D. Getting shined
I don't really know what Luigi can feasibly do if Falco threatens out of immediate striking range but inside the range where Luigi can wavesmash. If you try to wavedash in you get a Dair, if you try to jump and attack Falco and just laser you.
I'd love to play some more Luigis with my janky Falco, I'll be at Pound 5 so hopefully I'll see some of you there
A. Spaced lasers means what? Far/close or in comboing or something? It's all different/the same applies to every character. What's Falco planning? "Imma lazer and he'll have to shield it! Or he'll get hit, but probably not, or he'll PS it instead. Pretty good options."
He forgot Luigi moves by WAVEDASHING which you can do OUT OF YOUR SHIELD.
Lasers are the same for every character, completely avoidable.
As Armada says, lasers are Falcos most overrated trick. As Mango doesn't do, laser.
They suck, really.
B. If you get hit with a Dair in place when you WD in, then bait it rather than go in. It's a hurdle, but it's like if Falco jumps in to approach Luigi and Luigi ftilts or Fairs him on reaction/prediction. Same thing, it's as easy to avoid as "Don't commit to something when Falco has enough room and time to Dair you before you hit him/shield/move.
C. Light Shield/WD OOS into a neutral position/behind him/etc. Same deal against every character, it's a Falco trick, like a Luigi Dair/Nair/jab>Grab or dsmash or whatever mix up.
D. Less is done to Luigi off a shine than any other character in the game.
Falco Question Parrallel (even worse for him actually) : Getting grabbed?
Kirby vs Luigi go
Dayum...that sucks!Kirby vs Luigi - Unwinnable : (100 - Unwinnable)
BestWorst
Sheik/Fox
Probably Badish
Falcon/Peach
Possibly Better Or Worse, At Least Evenish
Marth/Ganon/Falco/Doc/Jiggs/ICs/Samus
Probably Goodish
Mario/Pikachu
The Rest
That's mine
QFT??? Maybe???
AightzBamesy if you want to be taken seriously about Falco/Luigi being even you should argue your case a bit better.
Yeah I take what others say, open to other possibilities etc. hahait seems u dont really have it bamesy. im not saying u dont have to improvise with any other character of the roster.. but there are centain hits, taht goes right after another with some characters with no mistake. wiith luigi u have to play like i say in spanish, al filo de la navaja. ''with the edge of the knife'' u may know what that means. be more open minded bro, and start thinking the possibilities the other peple is giving u. no offense dude. dont get angry. kiss* haha
well gustav, for me it is like this:
worst:
sheik
pretty bad:
fox
falcon
kiknda bad:
falco
ganon
marth
peach
maybe marth is above ganon for me beacuse i know how to space it better.. i dont really know. but i know they are one above other. but not for much
Luigi has a lot of things that lead into one another, aerial killing moves that can be lead into through grabs etc at killing % being one of the bigger ones.
Edge of the knife. Is that like a 'glass canon' or something? I think I understand, he can be amazing but it means taking risks. Reminds me of Falcon going for a techchase knee instead of easy regrabs, since he has to take that risk to do the best he can. ;p
I'm gonna copy you hahaha <3
"Be more open minded, start thinking of the possibilities."
Everyone is saying Falco gives Luigi a hard time, but how many people have actually been able to reach near his best against Falco? It's the one match up that I've had more practice in at a top level than any other, and against people that know how to play AGAINST Luigi too. I'm not the only one who found a way around Falco, Ka did too at one time (but around a lot more than me). Axe was the first to find ways around Pika's tough match ups, because there was simply nobody to do it before him. He won't be the last, that's for sure.
Luigi has ways, everyone is good or bad at some part or match up, if it could all be combined into 1, we'd get our 'Ka' back, or 'Axe' of Luigi. A modern 'Great Luigi' that's been missing for a long time. Hopefully more than one.
Your list is pretty much the core characters as far as what concerns Luigi.
The edgegame that Marth and Ganon have is what really hurts me. Spikes, long range and great airgame off stage that can be lead to from on stage things. Ganon can get Luigi offstage easier at any % and that's why I'd say he's a little worse. Marth can't have people inside, and Luigi can get there. Ganon is safer, he's boring and basic, exactly what Luigi's speed and 'improvising' (as you mentioned haha) isn't going to effect much.
PS: I think Marth sucks like Falco against Luigi. lol
Matchups are only based off the match up, not if players suck more than the one they're playing. lolIn all Seriousness I'll give u that. If you know what to do vs Luigi as a Sheik it changes alot. if you try to Dsmash luigi's Dsmash you'll get *****. however Luigi's with lots of Sheik experience may lose but the matches are always close losses. I think Luigi's game overall is underrated/underdeveloped. He's like Pikachu Pre-Axe Effect.
Luigi is ridiculously underdeveloped.