ZMan
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As a sort of add-on to Balckbelt's Weekly Lucas Matchup discussion thread, we will be discusing what stages to ban and counter pick for each character you might encounter in a tournament. No banned stages, please.
Character 1: Meta-****ing-knight
Ban:
Luigi's Mansion- WHORENADO ALL DAY EVERYDAY *****
Rainbow Cruise-If Weegee's Mansion is banned or you absolutley LOVE being Tornadoed all match, or your name is Marceux, then ban Rainbow Cruise. MK's mobility and priority out do you here so try to avoid this one mmkay?
Counter-pick:
Brinstar, Onett, Corneria, and Old Yoshi Island-MK's effectiveness in gimping and survivabilty here a bit toned down due to close blast-zones. Onett has walk-offs, so try to B-throw camp when you can.
Mario Circuit Though it's usally banned, MK can't get gimps off, at all. So try to camp and Bthrow when he gets near you. Or just move to Italy, NM, or Idaho. You'll avoid the matchup entirely.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
Seeing as how Luigi's Mansion and Rainbow Cruise are both banned; it's up too you on how to spend your one ban. I recommend banning Halberd, but that's only off of personal experience with the stage.
Counter-pick:
Uhhhhh, Brinstar, I guess.
Character 2: Solid Snake
Ban:
Battlefield
Final Destination
Smashville
Yoshi Island- Snake controls the 4 neutrals WAY to good. I personally recomend banning Yoshi Island becuase the Whimsical Support Ghost can gimp your PK Thunder and the design of the main platform can hinder you PK Fire and Thunder.
Counter-pick:
Norfair-Snake has a hard time controling the stage due to the lava forcing him to move. op of that the stage lean towards air combat where Lucas can beat out Snake at Plus your rope snake can help manuver around the stage fairly easy and you can control platforms with your Utilt.
Rainbow Cruise-Snake will have a hard time trying to manuver around this stage while Lucas can move around as easily as can be.
Jungle Japes- Might be a good WTF counterpick in a tournament; Snake gets outcamped here and his utilt can't be used as a realible kill move here. I wouldn't rely on this stage though.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
See above.
Counter-pick:
Uhhh, Delfino Plaza has worked for me in the past, can't be that good for him.
Character 3: King Dedede
Ban:
Corneria and Green Greens due to the ***got wall infinite. Ban Final Destination if either Corneria/Green Greens is banned or the wall infinte is banned.
Counterpick:
Norfair- DDD can't CG on this stage and he is severly outmanuverd by Lucas on this stage. Brinstar does the same thing ncely too.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
Final Destination because chain grabbing is way to easy here for him.
Counter-pick:
Brinstar for the reasons listed above. If your feelin' frisky, try out Delfino or Halberd out for a spin.
Character 4: Mr. Game and Watch
Ban:
While Battlefield might be bad, Rainbow Cruise is just unfair. Too much air priority for GW here means Lucas is gonna have a tough time here.
Counterpick:
Pick Brinstar and hope for the best.
Umbreons rule set:
Ban:
Battlefield that's all you need to know.
Counter-pick:
Once again, Brinstar is you're only hope here. Really just pick Marth or DK and have the advantage over him, little *******.
Character 5: Falco
Ban:
Jungle Japes, it's a prerequiste when facing Falco. If you are fighting a certain NM player, ban Final Destination.
Counter-pick:
Norfair and Brinstar are good choices. Personaly, I like Pictochat.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
Final Destination, his chain becomes too good here.
Counter-pick:
Brinstar. We need to find some new counter picks. Let's try out Lylat Cruise for a change!
Character 6: R.O.B the Robot
Ban:
Halberd, his recovery is stupid here.
Counter-pick
Norfair or Pirate Ship., Maybe Distant Planet; I just really want to see someone counter pick it in a tournament.
Umbreon's rule set:
Counter-pick:
See above.
Counter-pick:
Character 7: Marth
Ban:
Battlefield (and platfromy stages in general) cause he controls them platforms like fat girl on a skinny dude.
Counter-pick:
Norfair,Brinstar, and Rainbow Cruise-are good against this donkey porker. He can't wreck you as hard on these stages due to your high mobility and PK fire gayness.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
See above, I'm too lazy right now.
Counter-pick:
Brinstar, maybe Frigate Orpheon because his recovery isn't the best and he has to rely on ledges to get to the stage.
Character 8: Wario
Ban:
He does good on a lot of stages (after all, he's the only fat pixie in fighting games) but Frigate Orpheon, Pirate Ship, andBattlefield are his best stage due to his high mobility and amazing recovery.
Counter-pick:
Wario is such a versitle character he does well on pretty much any stage. Just go to Norfair (it's been linked to enough already, just go find it) and have some fun.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
See above. I should stop being a lazy bastage my entire life and actually type something good here, but I won't
Counter-pick:
See above. Like I said, I'm a lazy bastage.
Character 9: Lucario
Ban:
Luigi's Mansion- because the techability and Hyrule Temple qualities make him live longer here making Lucario dangerous then again I hate this stage). Yoshi Island for striking because you should.
Counter pick:
Anything with small blast zones. Green Greens, Corneria, and Brinstar jump into mind.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
Yoshi Island
Counter pick:
Brinstar
Character 10: Donkey Kong
Ban:
Battlefield, Japes, or Luigi's Mansion. The ape seems to like these stages.
Counter pick:
Norfair, duh. For some reason I like Pictochat against him, dun know why.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
Battlefield (lazy today).
Counter pick:
Whatever, Brinstar.
Character 11: Diddy Kong
Ban:
Final Destination **** bananas.
Counter pick:
Anything with real whacked out terrain to mess his banana game up, Brinstar, Norfair, Pictochat, and Pokemon Stadium 1 and 2 come to mind.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
Final Destination once again **** bananas.
Counter pick:
Brinstar and Pokemon Staduim 1 to mess his banana game up.
Character 12: Pikachu
Ban:
Final Destination is a good stage to ban.
Counter pick:
Delfino, he might think it's good for him, but it's better for us. If your feelin' frisky, try Luigi's Mansion out for a spin
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
FD
Counter pick:
Delfino Plaza
Character 13: Ice Climber
Ban:
Avoid the neutrals and your good to go
Counter pick:
Anything that's moving alot, Port Town, Pokemon Stadium 2, Brinstar, Norfair, ect.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
Final Destination, Battlefield, and Smashville should be avoided.
Counter pick:
Brinstar
Character 14: Kirby
Ban:
Kirby is such a versitile character that you need to ban and cp what you feel safe on
Counter pick:
Green Greens! He so light so you'll kill him early
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
See above
Counter pick:
Delfino, Demised baned this against me back at MAST so it can't be too good for him.
Character 15: Pit
Admiral Pit summed up everything better than I ever would.
Character 16: Wolf
Ban:
FD, i hate that stage.
Counter pick:
nofair is better for us htan it is for him, so he'll cp it against us and get **** on. ps1 cause of the ****ed up ledges
Charcter 17: Captain Lolimar
Ban:
Luigi's masnion, his ground game is too good. norfair cause he recovers easirer on there
Counter pick:[/
Frigate, Delfino, Brinstar, anything to **** up his camping and/or recovery. if he's in a bad mood, good to !
Character 18: Toon Link
:shiek:Characters 19 & 20: Zelda/Sheik
As a sort of add-on to Balckbelt's Weekly Lucas Matchup discussion thread, we will be discusing what stages to ban and counter pick for each character you might encounter in a tournament. No banned stages, please.
Character 1: Meta-****ing-knight
Ban:
Luigi's Mansion- WHORENADO ALL DAY EVERYDAY *****
Rainbow Cruise-If Weegee's Mansion is banned or you absolutley LOVE being Tornadoed all match, or your name is Marceux, then ban Rainbow Cruise. MK's mobility and priority out do you here so try to avoid this one mmkay?
Counter-pick:
Brinstar, Onett, Corneria, and Old Yoshi Island-MK's effectiveness in gimping and survivabilty here a bit toned down due to close blast-zones. Onett has walk-offs, so try to B-throw camp when you can.
Mario Circuit Though it's usally banned, MK can't get gimps off, at all. So try to camp and Bthrow when he gets near you. Or just move to Italy, NM, or Idaho. You'll avoid the matchup entirely.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
Seeing as how Luigi's Mansion and Rainbow Cruise are both banned; it's up too you on how to spend your one ban. I recommend banning Halberd, but that's only off of personal experience with the stage.
Counter-pick:
Uhhhhh, Brinstar, I guess.
Character 2: Solid Snake
Ban:
Battlefield
Final Destination
Smashville
Yoshi Island- Snake controls the 4 neutrals WAY to good. I personally recomend banning Yoshi Island becuase the Whimsical Support Ghost can gimp your PK Thunder and the design of the main platform can hinder you PK Fire and Thunder.
Counter-pick:
Norfair-Snake has a hard time controling the stage due to the lava forcing him to move. op of that the stage lean towards air combat where Lucas can beat out Snake at Plus your rope snake can help manuver around the stage fairly easy and you can control platforms with your Utilt.
Rainbow Cruise-Snake will have a hard time trying to manuver around this stage while Lucas can move around as easily as can be.
Jungle Japes- Might be a good WTF counterpick in a tournament; Snake gets outcamped here and his utilt can't be used as a realible kill move here. I wouldn't rely on this stage though.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
See above.
Counter-pick:
Uhhh, Delfino Plaza has worked for me in the past, can't be that good for him.
Character 3: King Dedede
Ban:
Corneria and Green Greens due to the ***got wall infinite. Ban Final Destination if either Corneria/Green Greens is banned or the wall infinte is banned.
Counterpick:
Norfair- DDD can't CG on this stage and he is severly outmanuverd by Lucas on this stage. Brinstar does the same thing ncely too.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
Final Destination because chain grabbing is way to easy here for him.
Counter-pick:
Brinstar for the reasons listed above. If your feelin' frisky, try out Delfino or Halberd out for a spin.
Character 4: Mr. Game and Watch
Ban:
While Battlefield might be bad, Rainbow Cruise is just unfair. Too much air priority for GW here means Lucas is gonna have a tough time here.
Counterpick:
Pick Brinstar and hope for the best.
Umbreons rule set:
Ban:
Battlefield that's all you need to know.
Counter-pick:
Once again, Brinstar is you're only hope here. Really just pick Marth or DK and have the advantage over him, little *******.
Character 5: Falco
Ban:
Jungle Japes, it's a prerequiste when facing Falco. If you are fighting a certain NM player, ban Final Destination.
Counter-pick:
Norfair and Brinstar are good choices. Personaly, I like Pictochat.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
Final Destination, his chain becomes too good here.
Counter-pick:
Brinstar. We need to find some new counter picks. Let's try out Lylat Cruise for a change!
Character 6: R.O.B the Robot
Ban:
Halberd, his recovery is stupid here.
Counter-pick
Norfair or Pirate Ship., Maybe Distant Planet; I just really want to see someone counter pick it in a tournament.
Umbreon's rule set:
Counter-pick:
See above.
Counter-pick:
Character 7: Marth
Ban:
Battlefield (and platfromy stages in general) cause he controls them platforms like fat girl on a skinny dude.
Counter-pick:
Norfair,Brinstar, and Rainbow Cruise-are good against this donkey porker. He can't wreck you as hard on these stages due to your high mobility and PK fire gayness.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
See above, I'm too lazy right now.
Counter-pick:
Brinstar, maybe Frigate Orpheon because his recovery isn't the best and he has to rely on ledges to get to the stage.
Character 8: Wario
Ban:
He does good on a lot of stages (after all, he's the only fat pixie in fighting games) but Frigate Orpheon, Pirate Ship, andBattlefield are his best stage due to his high mobility and amazing recovery.
Counter-pick:
Wario is such a versitle character he does well on pretty much any stage. Just go to Norfair (it's been linked to enough already, just go find it) and have some fun.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
See above. I should stop being a lazy bastage my entire life and actually type something good here, but I won't
Counter-pick:
See above. Like I said, I'm a lazy bastage.
Character 9: Lucario
Ban:
Luigi's Mansion- because the techability and Hyrule Temple qualities make him live longer here making Lucario dangerous then again I hate this stage). Yoshi Island for striking because you should.
Counter pick:
Anything with small blast zones. Green Greens, Corneria, and Brinstar jump into mind.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
Yoshi Island
Counter pick:
Brinstar
Character 10: Donkey Kong
Ban:
Battlefield, Japes, or Luigi's Mansion. The ape seems to like these stages.
Counter pick:
Norfair, duh. For some reason I like Pictochat against him, dun know why.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
Battlefield (lazy today).
Counter pick:
Whatever, Brinstar.
Character 11: Diddy Kong
Ban:
Final Destination **** bananas.
Counter pick:
Anything with real whacked out terrain to mess his banana game up, Brinstar, Norfair, Pictochat, and Pokemon Stadium 1 and 2 come to mind.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
Final Destination once again **** bananas.
Counter pick:
Brinstar and Pokemon Staduim 1 to mess his banana game up.
Character 12: Pikachu
Ban:
Final Destination is a good stage to ban.
Counter pick:
Delfino, he might think it's good for him, but it's better for us. If your feelin' frisky, try Luigi's Mansion out for a spin
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
FD
Counter pick:
Delfino Plaza
Character 13: Ice Climber
Ban:
Avoid the neutrals and your good to go
Counter pick:
Anything that's moving alot, Port Town, Pokemon Stadium 2, Brinstar, Norfair, ect.
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
Final Destination, Battlefield, and Smashville should be avoided.
Counter pick:
Brinstar
Character 14: Kirby
Ban:
Kirby is such a versitile character that you need to ban and cp what you feel safe on
Counter pick:
Green Greens! He so light so you'll kill him early
Umbreon's rule set:
Ban:
See above
Counter pick:
Delfino, Demised baned this against me back at MAST so it can't be too good for him.
Character 15: Pit
Admiral Pit summed up everything better than I ever would.
Character 16: Wolf
Ban:
FD, i hate that stage.
Counter pick:
nofair is better for us htan it is for him, so he'll cp it against us and get **** on. ps1 cause of the ****ed up ledges
Charcter 17: Captain Lolimar
Ban:
Luigi's masnion, his ground game is too good. norfair cause he recovers easirer on there
Counter pick:[/
Frigate, Delfino, Brinstar, anything to **** up his camping and/or recovery. if he's in a bad mood, good to !
Character 18: Toon Link
:shiek:Characters 19 & 20: Zelda/Sheik