Karsticles
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Mario's reflector has never sped up projectiles. Others, like Zelda's, do. I did a full write-up of every reflector on the Mewtwo forums.
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Lucas, Roy, Ryu (1.0.8) Community Patch Notes
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Correct. Go compare Ness's BThrow in training to Robin's BThrow. Ness's has horrible base knockback despite its power at later percentages so the opponent barely goes anywhere. Robin's BThrow has high base knockback but doesn't scale as well.
Patch 1.0.6 Changelog
Same caveats and limitations apply.
Same caveats and limitations apply.
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Mario
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Fsmash (all)
hitbox 0
y 0.0 -> 0.7
made irreversible
Luigi
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NO CHANGES
Peach
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NO CHANGES
Bowser
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NO CHANGES
Yoshi
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Ftilt (up/down)
hitboxes appear on frame 6 -> 5 (matches normal ftilt)
Fsmash
hitbox 0
size 3.1 -> 2.9
made irreversible
Rosalina
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NO CHANGES
Bowser Jr.
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Fsmash
second hitbox added to initial repeating hit
identical, except positioned differently and angle 361 rather than 93
initial hitboxes
y 18 -> 17 (angled down only)
final hitbox
size 6 -> 7
y 10 -> 8 (13 -> 11 for angled up)
x 20 -> 18 (17 for angled down)
Wario
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NO CHANGES
Mr. Game & Watch
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Minor unknown tweaks
Ftilt
delayed hitboxes
angle 100 -> 115
bkb 20 -> 30
Chef
Pan hitbox
size 5.76 -> 6.76
y 6.4 -> 7.4
XXL Chef
Pan hitbox
y 6.4 -> 7.4
Short-Order Chef
Pan hitbox
y 6.4 -> 7.4
Donkey Kong
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Jab 1
hitboxes 0 and 1 IDs swapped
new hitbox 1
angle 361 -> 110
kbg 100 -> 25
bkb 0 -> 35
F-smash
all hitboxes
made irreversible
A couple 1.13x multipliers on unknown actions (nothing with a hitbox)
Diddy Kong
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Fsmash
second hit, hitbox 0
angle 40 -> 46
Usmash
initial hitbox 0
angle 120 -> 110
wkb 130 -> 120
initial hitboxes 1/2/3
angle 110 -> 95
initial hitbox 3
wkb 80 -> 70
middle hitbox 0
angle 115 -> 105
middle hitboxes 1/2
angle 110 -> 95
Fair
initial hitboxes
damage 12 -> 10
delayed hitboxes
damage 10 -> 8
Uair
all hitboxes
damage 8 -> 6
Uthrow
throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
damage 6 -> 4 (total damage (10 -> 8)
Dthrow
throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
damage 7 -> 6
kbg 40 -> 50
Monkey Flip
kick hitbox
decays from damage 14/12 -> 12/10 on frame 11
throw hitbox
damage 5 -> 3
additional hitbox added to throw
Flying Monkey Flip
throw hitbox
damage 5 -> 3
additional hitbox added to throw
Link
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Dash Attack
hitboxes appear on frame 21 -> 20
hitbox 2
damage 13 -> 12
kbg 78 -> 72
Dtilt
hitboxes completely remade
went from having 4 hitboxes to 2 on changed bones--one aerial only, one irreversible
all hitboxes
angle 80/80/280/280 -> 280/80
kbg 50 -> 62/30
bkb 90 -> 0/90
Fsmash 1
hitbox 2 (sourspot)
bone 16 -> 0
size 3.4 -> 3.2
x 0 -> 6
y 0 -> 8.5
z 1 -> 0
made irreversible
Fsmash 2
hitbox 2/3
made irreversible
Usmash
2nd round of hitboxes appear frame 26 -> 25
Pummel
hitbox
x 0 -> 2
y 0 -> 1.5
z 0 -> -1
Ground Spin Attack
initial hitboxes 0/1
damage 12 -> 14
all hitbox 2s
z 6.6 -> 7.0
new stage of hitboxes on frame 6 that do 12/12/7 damage
third stage of hitboxes now on frame 11, not 9
Ground Shocking Spin Attack
all hitbox 2s
z 6.6 -> 7.0
Zelda
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Fsmash
looping hitbox 0
angle 60 -> 25
wkb 60 -> 40
size 4.3 -> 4.2
x 10.0 -> 8.0
looping hitbox 1
angle 160 -> 165
wkb 80 -> 50
size 5.0 -> 4.5
final hitbox 0
size 6.7 -> 5.5
x 16.0 -> 9.5
final hitbox 1
size 5.7 -> 6.0
x 11.0 -> 16.0
Din's Fire/Flare/Blaze
sweetspot hitbox
size 2.7 -> 2.1
Phantom Slash (uncharged swipe)
animation speed 0.5x for frames 60-70 (10 frames slower)
Phantom Slash (partially charged overhead)
animation speed 0.5x for frames 90-100 (10 frames slower)
Phantom Slash (partially charged uppercut)
animation speed 0.5x for frames 135-145 (10 frames slower)
Sheik
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Dtilt
all hitboxes
damage 7.5 -> 5.0
kbg 80 -> 100
bkb 35 -> 37
Bair
initial hitboxes 0/1
damage 10 -> 7
initial hitbox 2
damage 11 -> 8
Ganondorf
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Jab
hitbox 0
damage 6 -> 7
kbg 105 -> 90
bkb 40 -> 38
hitbox 1
damage 8 -> 10
kbg 105 -> 90
Fthrow
all hitboxes
hitlag 2.0 -> 1.5
Bthrow
all hitboxes
hitlag 2.0 -> 1.5
Uthrow
all hitboxes
hitlag 2.0 -> 1.6
Toon Link
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Dsmash
all hitboxes
trip 0.15 -> 0.0
made irreversible
first hit, hitbox 0 (aerial only)
x 16.0 -> 15.5
first hit, hitbox 1 (ground only)
wkb 140 -> 60
y 2.0 -> 2.6
x 16.0 -> 9.5
hitbox 2 added to first hit
angle 168
kbg 100
wkb 120
ground only
irreversible
second hit, hitbox 0
kbg 130 -> 127
size 4.0 -> 4.3
y 3.0 -> 4.5
hitbox 1 added to second hit
size 5.0
Samus
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Ftilt (all)
hitbox 1 and 2 IDs swapped
hitbox 0
bone 7 -> 6 (6 -> 5 for straight-angled)
damage 7 -> 6
kbg 90 -> 70
bkb 15 -> 10
size 3.0 -> 1.8
z 0 -> -1.5 (1.8 for up-angled)
new hitbox 1
kbg 90 -> 70
bkb 15 -> 10
new hitbox 2
kbg 90 -> 100
bkb 15 -> 30
z 6.0 -> -0.6
hitbox 3
bone 8 -> 9
damage 6 -> 9 (5 -> 8 for straight-angled)
kbg 90 -> 100
bkb 15 -> 30
size 2.5 -> 3.0
z 0 -> 6
y 0 -> -0.5
Zero Suit Samus
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NO CHANGES
Pit
---
NO CHANGES
Palutena
--------
NO CHANGES
Marth
-----
Dancing Blade Ground Third Hit (Forward)
all hitboxes
angle 60/70/35 -> 50/55/40
bkb 30 -> 40
Ike
---
Counter
hitbox
kbg 74 -> 100
Robin
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Jab1
hitbox 0 and 2 IDs swapped
hitbox 0
angle 361 -> 70
kbg 30 -> 25
bkb 30 -> 35
hitbox 1
angle 60 -> 88
kbg 30 -> 25
bkb 30 -> 35
hitbox 2
angle 75 -> 90
kbg 30 -> 25
bkb 30 -> 35
Jab2
hitbox 0
angle 92 -> 98
kbg 24 -> 20
bkb 50 -> 30
hitbox 1
angle 80 -> 88
kbg 24 -> 20
bkb 50 -> 30
hitbox 2
angle 70 -> 80
bkb 50 -> 35
Rapid Jab Loop
hits on frames 3/8/13/18/23/28 -> 4/8/12/16/20/24/28
hitbox
kbg 100 -> 30
wkb 16 -> 0
bkb 0 -> 14
SDI 0.7 -> 0.8
Rapid Jab Final Hit
animation speed 2.0x for frames 1-7 (3 frames faster)
hitbox
damage 3 -> 2
kbg 160 -> 186
x 13 -> 15
Ftilt
hitbox
size 5 -> 4
y 10.0 -> 9.5
x 16.5 -> 16.0
made irreversible
Kirby
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Fsmash (angled up)
delayed hitbox
damage 13 -> 12
Usmash
initial hitboxes 0/1
kbg 96 -> 102
bkb 34 -> 33
Dsmash
all hitboxes
angle 76 -> 69
kbg 102 -> 108
Dthrow
loop hitbox
damage 0.4 -> 0.8 (total throw damage 6.6 -> 10.2)
Ground Hammer Flip/Bash
hitbox 0
size 4.4 -> 5.4
y 4.0 -> 4.5
hitbox 1
size 2.5 -> 3.5
y 4.0 -> 4.5
Ground Hammer Flip Max Charge
hitbox 0
size 4.8 -> 5.8
y 4.0 -> 4.2
hitbox 1
size 2.9 -> 3.9
y 4.0 -> 4.2
Ground Giant Hammer
all hitboxes
y 4.0 -> 4.5
Aerial Hammer Flip/Bash
all hitboxes
size 4.2/2.0 -> 5.2/3.0
y 4.0 -> 4.3
Aerial Hammer Flip Max Charge
hitbox 0
size 4.4 -> 5.4
hitbox 1
size 2.5 -> 3.5
Aerial Giant Hammer
all hitboxes
y 4.0 -> 4.3
King Dedede
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NO CHANGES
Meta Knight
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Fthrow
New hitbox added alongside existing one (same values)
Little Mac
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Ftilt
first hit, hitbox 2
z -3.8 -> -5.8
y 0 -> 0.5
Fsmash (straight)
pre-hit windbox
x 14 -> 11
Dsmash
second hit, hitbox 1
bone 22 -> 0
size 3.0 -> 2.8
y 0 -> 7.5
x 0 -> 3.0
Aerial KO Punch (all)
all hitboxes
duraction 4 -> 3 frames
Jolt Haymaker
all hitboxes
kbg 95 -> 98
bkb 25 -> 33
Grounding Blow
all delayed hitboxes (non-spike)
kbg 95 -> 98
bkb 25 -> 33
Fox
---
NO CHANGES
Falco
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Usmash
initial hitbox 0/1
angle 140 -> 110
kbg 20 -> 25
bkb 30 -> 60
can now hit grounded opponents
initial hitbox 2
can now hit aerial opponents
Pikachu
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NO CHANGES
Charizard
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Dtilt
animation speed 1.25x for frames 1-11 (2 frames faster; hits on frame 11 -> 9)
Nair
hitboxes appear on frame 8 -> 9
hitbox 0 (10% fire)
size 4.0 -> 3.5
hitbox 1 (7%)
size 4.0 -> 3.0
hitbox 2 (7%)
size 4.0 -> 1.5
hitbox 3 (7%)
size 4.0 -> 3.5
hitbox 4 added (7%, size 4.0)
hitboxes removed on frame 28 -> 26 (total duration 20 -> 17 frames)
Fair
all initial hitboxes (11%)
kbg 100 -> 92
bkb 45 -> 35
delayed hitbox (12%)
kbg 80 -> 98
bkb 25 -> 35
Bair
hitbox 0 (15% fire)
size 4.0 -> 4.5
x 0 -> -1
hitbox 1
z -1.3 -> -1.2
x 0.0 -> 0.5
hitbox 3
y 0.0 -> 0.5
x 0.0 -> 1.0
Uthrow
throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
damage 2 -> 3
hitbox
damage 6 -> 8 (total damage 8 -> 11)
Lucario
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NO CHANGES
Jigglypuff
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NO CHANGES
Greninja
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NO CHANGES
Duck Hunt
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Unknown element change (30 -> 32) for non-damaging hitboxes related to the can
R.O.B.
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Uthrow
throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
kbg 72 -> 70
bkb 70 -> 60
Ness
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NO CHANGES
Captain Falcon
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Fsmash downward
all hitboxes
angle 40 -> 38
kbg 94 -> 84
Villager
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NO CHANGES
Olimar
------
Very slightly less kbg on 6 unknown attacks for all 5 pikmin
Very slight bkb increase on 3 of those
Wii Fit Trainer
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Fsmash
all hitboxes
made irreversible
Usmash
initial setup hit, all hitboxes
kbg 105 -> 100
bkb 30 -> 31
Dr. Mario
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Usmash
all hitboxes
angle 110 -> 130
kbg 105 -> 108
Fair
all middle hitboxes
damage 14 -> 15
duration 3 -> 4 frames (final hitbox duration shorted 1 frame to match)
Dark Pit
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NO CHANGES
Lucina
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Ftilt
all hitboxes
damage 8.075 -> 8.5
Dtilt
all hitboxes
damage 8.075 -> 8.5
Fsmash
all hitboxes
damage 14.725 -> 15.0
Dsmash
second hit, all hitboxes
damage 13.775 -> 14.0
Ground Shield Breaker Uncharged
all hitboxes
damage 8.075 -> 8.5
Ground Shield Breaker Charged
all hitboxes
damage 21.85 -> 23
Dancing Blade Ground Third Hit (Forward)
all hitboxes
angle 60/70/35 -> 50/55/40
bkb 30 -> 40
Shulk
-----
NO CHANGES
Pac-Man
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Ftilt
up-angled and down-angled now hit on frame 4 -> 5 (matches normal ftilt)
Mega Man
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NO CHANGES
Sonic
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Bthrow
throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
kbg 90 -> 79
Homing Attack/Stomp/Surprise Attack
second hitbox added (identical values to existing)
Spin Dash ??? + both customs
hitbox
damage 6 -> 3
kbg 73 -> 112
bkb 70 -> 66
Spin Dash + Hammer Spin Dash ???
hitbox
kbg 46 -> 62
bkb 70 -> 67
Burning Spin Dash ???
hitbox
damage 7 -> 9
kbg 46 -> 62
bkb 70 -> 67
Burning Spin Dash ???
hitbox
damage 10 -> 12
Burning Spin Dash ???
hitbox
damage 4 -> 6
Mewtwo
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[NEW]
Mii Brawler
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Fsmash (all)
all hitboxes
made irreversible
hitbox 1
z -1.6 -> -1.9
Fair
all initial hitboxes
damage 4 -> 3
all second hitboxes
damage 6 -> 5
Bair
all hitboxes
damage 12 -> 10
hitbox 0
size 5.7 -> 4.7
Piston Punch
initial hitbox
wkb 200 -> 150
final hitbox
kbg 190 -> 180
Mii Swordfighter
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Dtilt
all hitboxes
damage 6 -> 8
angle 60 -> 65
kbg 50 -> 80
bkb 90 -> 50
Nair
all hitboxes
damage 5 -> 8
kbg 100 -> 68
bkb 42 -> 48
Fair
all final hit hitboxes
angle 60 -> 50
kbg 150 -> 130
Fthrow
all hitboxes
hitlag 2.0 -> 1.7
Bthrow
all hitboxes
hitlag 2.0 -> 1.7
Uthrow
all hitboxes
hitlag 2.0 -> 1.8
Dthrow
all hitboxes
hitlag 2.0 -> 1.8
Ground Hero's Spin
initial hitbox 0
damage 12 -> 14
initial hitbox 1
damage 13 -> 11
all hitbox 2s
y 8.6 -> 9.1
new stage of hitboxes on frame 6 that do 12/11/7 damage
third stage of hitboxes now on frame 11, not 9
Mii Gunner
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NO CHANGES
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Does this include any customs? Ike's smash counter is still the same (since smash counter has the same bkb and kbg, but more damage)? If so, counter may be his best then.
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I'm confused what irreversible is meant to mean.
UGhhh though, two patch note threads to do things on.
Your original change list on page...22? was only 1.07 -> 1.08 or was it 1.04 -> 1.08?
UGhhh though, two patch note threads to do things on.
Your original change list on page...22? was only 1.07 -> 1.08 or was it 1.04 -> 1.08?
It was only 1.0.7 -> 1.0.8.
Made irreversible means given a special offensive collision hitbox, like falcon knee.
I really really want to find where character attributes, including landing lag, are stored in Smash 4.
Made irreversible means given a special offensive collision hitbox, like falcon knee.
I really really want to find where character attributes, including landing lag, are stored in Smash 4.
I'd also like to point out that the unknown actions with a 1.13x multiplier for DK are probably his Giant Punch charge loops which were slightly faster than usual and noted in the community patch notes
Ulevo
Smash Master
No, but here:@Thinkaman did you happen to post a change log for the 1.06 - 1.07 changes?
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Mario
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NO CHANGES
Luigi
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NO CHANGES
Peach
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NO CHANGES
Bowser
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NO CHANGES
Yoshi
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NO CHANGES
Rosalina
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NO CHANGES
Bowser Jr.
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NO CHANGES
Wario
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NO CHANGES
Mr. Game & Watch
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NO CHANGES
Donkey Kong
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NO CHANGES
Diddy Kong
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NO CHANGES
Link
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NO CHANGES
Zelda
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NO CHANGES
Sheik
-----
NO CHANGES
Ganondorf
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NO CHANGES
Toon Link
---------
NO CHANGES
Samus
-----
NO CHANGES
Zero Suit Samus
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NO CHANGES
Pit
---
NO CHANGES
Palutena
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NO CHANGES
Marth
-----
NO CHANGES
Ike
---
NO CHANGES
Robin
-----
NO CHANGES
Kirby
-----
NO CHANGES
King Dedede
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NO CHANGES
Meta Knight
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NO CHANGES
Little Mac
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NO CHANGES
Fox
---
NO CHANGES
Falco
-----
NO CHANGES
Pikachu
-------
NO CHANGES
Charizard
---------
NO CHANGES
Lucario
-------
NO CHANGES
Jigglypuff
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NO CHANGES
Greninja
--------
NO CHANGES
Duck Hunt
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NO CHANGES
R.O.B.
------
NO CHANGES
Ness
----
NO CHANGES
Captain Falcon
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NO CHANGES
Villager
--------
NO CHANGES
Olimar
------
NO CHANGES
Wii Fit Trainer
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NO CHANGES
Dr. Mario
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NO CHANGES
Dark Pit
--------
NO CHANGES
Lucina
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NO CHANGES
Shulk
-----
NO CHANGES
Pac-Man
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NO CHANGES
Mega Man
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NO CHANGES
Sonic
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NO CHANGES
Mewtwo
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NO CHANGES
Mii Brawler
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NO CHANGES
Mii Swordfighter
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NO CHANGES
Mii Gunner
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NO CHANGESI always explicitly stated if a changed applied to customs too. Most do, some don't. (Counter, Phantom Slash)
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Ulevo
Smash Master
They all say no changes?
So Yoshi fsmash was changed a bit while angled ftilt a single frame faster?
That's some weird buffs but ok...?
That's some weird buffs but ok...?
There were no gameplay changes.
Yup. 1.0.7 gameplay files are 100% identical. Checked it myself.
Presumibly just fixing mistaken numbers on the angled versions; pac-man got "nerfed" in an identical way.
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Ffamran
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That was the "Mewtwo, stop borking singleplayer modes", 1.0.7 patch.
Quickhero
Smash Ace
I should probably opt to combine things so it's all just one big 1.04 -> 1.08 change log (noting which patch they came in).
But I have an incredibly bizarre and soul destroying phobia of patch note OP editing right now, need a bit of a break; I'm in university exam period at the moment and I haven't even really played since this patch (briefly last night only as a STEAM RELEASE)
But I have an incredibly bizarre and soul destroying phobia of patch note OP editing right now, need a bit of a break; I'm in university exam period at the moment and I haven't even really played since this patch (briefly last night only as a STEAM RELEASE)
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Yeah, an increase of 26 kbg is ridiculous, too. Still, it's counter with like 8-9 activation frames, but Ike's counter is better vs. recoveries and smash attacks. There were a few times I lifted an eyebrow when Ike's counter killed me at 100 when it countered aether sometimes.So...we missed an Ike buff back in 1.06?
@Shaya are you going to update it here or are you going to update it in the 1.06 thread? I personally recommend you update it here but I'm simply curious.
Ike's smash counter kills at like 80 too on weak hits and 50 on smash attacks. It was one of the few attacks I never tested with the 1.0.6 patch.
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Quickhero
Smash Ace
Ah yes, what is the point of putting up patch notes if you cannot even find the time to play the game?
Best of luck on your exam! Thanks for all the effort you've put into the patch notes as well! :D
Do we have a list of characters for whom timing changes have been investigated fully?
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If I'm reading this right, is Falco's Fair frame 10 and Uair frame 8 then? When A2 tested it against Browser's jab and I think GimR too, they said it was frame 7.
Other notes:
They fixed Falco's Up Smash by increasing its knockback on the first two hitboxes and somehow, that works. You'd think you'd have to decrease knockback, but whatever.
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Falco
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Usmash
initial hitbox 0/1
angle 140 -> 110
kbg 20 -> 25
bkb 30 -> 60
can now hit grounded opponents
initial hitbox 2
can now hit aerial opponents
san.
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Ike
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Counter
hitbox
kbg 74 -> 100
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ParanoidDrone
Smash Master
I'm afraid I still don't understand. What does it do?
> not playing any smash at all
> smash is on your mind 12-16 hours a day still
> smash is on your mind 12-16 hours a day still
It means the knockback trajectory will only travel in the direction in which the attacker is facing.
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If I'm understanding this correctly this means ftilt got a range decrease but the hitbox was adjusted to eliminate part of the dead zone and characters will no longer fly in the opposite direction of the ftilt if hit at an awkward angle?
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So much for shortly.
But here's Greninja's f-tilt between 1.06 and 1.08.
1.06 was 41 frames, 1.08 is 32.
But here's Greninja's f-tilt between 1.06 and 1.08.
1.06 was 41 frames, 1.08 is 32.
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According to this video, G&W's B-Air has less landing lag.
Found here: http://smashboards.com/threads/mr-game-watch-v1-0-8-complete.406204/
Nice, hopefully that move isn't so useless anymore. Also does this mean that "better nerf Greninja" can die now? It was kinda funny at first but now it just doesn't make sense. I guess people will have to move on to "please buff Mewtwo" next. Or Wii Fit Trainer, but that's not as catchy.So much for shortly.
But here's Greninja's f-tilt between 1.06 and 1.08.
1.06 was 41 frames, 1.08 is 32.
⑨ball
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Haha.
Double sided hitbox made irreversible. Non-existant setup hit nerfed.
The other WFT's should get a kick out of this.
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They did buff Mewtwo though.
Zapp Branniglenn
Smash Lord
Lol, it's currently one of many things that need to be added to the OP. I found it just the other day, and the OP of that thread asked if I could provide some visual evidence, so I did.
I still need to provide visual evidence for the other changes in lag to moves that I've found. But if I did just record footage like that, it doesn't tell us the amount of frames that are reduced from lag, which is what we really want to know. Just because people believe in the stuff that I found doesn't mean they're not curious just how much of a difference it makes. That's why I want to record pre-patch footage of them instead, allowing somebody with the update to compare and frame count the difference. I'd ask @
LordWilliam1234
, but he seems preoccupied with his own findings. Can anybody else make the comparisons?
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Exactly, and they also didn't always nerf Greninja. Has Wii Fit Trainer gotten any buffs though? I can't recall any. Still they could afford to do a bit more with Mewtwo. Like, I don't know, his weight? That's the one thing everyone wants changed.
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LordWilliam1234
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If you have specific moves you've found a change for and want me to check the exact frames for, just let me know and I'll take care of it. That'd actually make things easier as it'll be less things for me to check when I go through a character's full frame data later.
I'll check G&W b-air landing lag now.
I'll check G&W b-air landing lag now.
ParanoidDrone
Smash Master
So if I'm reading the notes right, the back hit of WFT's fsmash now hits people forward so they land in front of her, while her usmash apparently has a weak initial setup hit? I can sort of vaguely see the reasoning for the first change if I squint (even though weird hitbox placements seem to be WFT's thing and I'd expect a hitbox behind her to hit someone further in that direction), but usmash even having a setup hit like that is news to me. Then again the hitboxes on that move are so bloody precise...
Zapp Branniglenn
Smash Lord
Nah, his weight defined his character since Melee. That'd be like Jigglypuff mains asking for a weight increase. Unlike Melee Mewtwo, This Mewtwo has more competently designed hitboxes, a reflector that works, even better recovery and his low weight is far better suited to a game that doesn't have Waveshine > Usmash from Fox.
I'll send you pre-patch footage of all my findings then. Same settings as last time.
andimidna
Smash Master
Is the old 1.0.6 thread going to be updated or will this be used for both patches now?
[Oh and btw I'm currently looking attrying to hit a sourspot on Palutena's dtlt, figuring out if Luma attack AI was in previous versions (was at the edge of the platform and set my controller down in training mode and broke my shield, and Luma started doing up airs like why)... and maybe looking into the HP stuff... just doesn't seem right. And doesn't it say no change in the data dump above? ]
Edit: agh I thought they patched out getting stuck in the air when holding c stick aerials whyy
[Oh and btw I'm currently looking at
Edit: agh I thought they patched out getting stuck in the air when holding c stick aerials whyy
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No, these are old 1.06 changes, but all it did was make it so the overlapping hitboxes in the center of WFT when performing fsmash don't send in the opposite direction when hit with a hit box from the other side. Only they overlap, so the chance of that happening is still as much a thing as always.
Usmash has always had data for a setup hit most likely similar to Lucina/Marth and Shulk's usmashes, but it seems they either forgot or decided against it leaving her with the worst horizontal hitbox of all usmashes. It'd be nice and make jab absurdly scary.
I'm not saying Mewtwo should be a middleweight character, but they DECREASED his weight significantly to the point where he's the second lightest character in the game, lighter than Pikachu and only 4 points above Jiggs. Also he was too light to get waveshined in Melee anyway. Smash 4 Mewtwo is definitely better than Melee Mewtwo, that can't be argued against, but I felt that his weight of 85 was just fine, maybe a bit lower, but 72 just seems too low. If his hurtbox wasn't so big it wouldn't be nearly as bad, but I don't think they'll change that anytime soon.
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Speaking of Mewtwo, would anyone be able to check his dash into shield? I feel like it was longer in the previous version (as in Mewtwo would travel further before shielding), but it might just be a placebo effect or my mind playing tricks on me.
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